Utopia Talk / Politics / South Korea plane crash

murder Member	Sat Dec 28 20:39:44 At least 28 dead.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 28 23:07:05 Jesus fucking christ what kind of asshole builds a thick wall at the end of a runway like that. Holy shit. Terrible landing too. Like were they trying to overrun on purpose?
TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 29 00:33:33 says 120 dead not 28
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 29 01:40:41 Its 180 dead. Give or take a few. 180 or so onboard. That fucking wall was about at everyones chest height. No one or very few got out.
TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 29 01:47:51 so it anotha boeing... quality controls dunt exist in yankland
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 02:11:28 Sammy Not going to conclude it was a suicide by aircraft quite yet?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 29 02:31:01 This case is less completely obvious than the last one you utterly botched but the accident sequence is still somewhate understandable. In this case 3 things seem to have gone wrong, the first 2 are not fully obvious yet. 1... something went wrong with the aircraft... at least some electrical power was lost and at least an engine seems to have been fucked. I dont know the exact failure yet. 2... the planes seems to have still been flyable yet the plane was going too fast/too far on this landing attempt. Id guess pilot error in an unusual situation but thats a guess at this point. Figure 75% certain on this one. 3... most obvious and by far most egregious was that giant fucking wall to hold landing lights just off the end of a runway. No one should have designed it, no one should have built it, no one should have let it stick around, and no one should have approved airliner ops at that airport while it existed. So obviously wrong and unnecessary. Turned a minor accident into slaughter.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 29 02:31:40 Jergul still butthurt.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 03:34:29 Nimi Much as I admire your expertise in the area (how else to remain a virgin before marriage in cultures that favour such things), I would have to sadly say nope. Sammy just has a serious case of tribal driving confirmation bias. It aint obvious in this case because he does not hate SK. Sammy Preliminary reports suggest break failure. But we will see what the black box says as it monitors cockpit dialogue.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 03:37:45 Landing gear malfunction rather*
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 03:38:52 Of course, it was a Boeing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 29 03:40:15 Jergul So much projection.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 04:28:17 Aww cutie, you project even that <3.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 29 04:45:27 Like a fiddle.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 04:57:20 Nimi Whatever you need, cutie <3
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 29 06:50:08 The emergency landing looked pretty solid. A bit high speed, but other than that it looked good. The pilot had it under control. But then someone had built a concrete wall at the end of the runway. Maybe the lane was meant for smaller planes. Someone in the control tower may have directed the pilot to the wrong lane?
TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 29 06:52:32 how did dat wall still stand that is da question... did a frikkin airplane weighin 100k tons not just crash in2 it at several hundred miles an hour wut dat wall made off, that gotta be some reingforced steel shit, so da real question is that just a standard random wall or is that part of some military complex equipment that now backfired hard also da hydrolics dunt work 4 shit. boeing got no quality
murder Member	Sun Dec 29 07:04:11 "Jesus fucking christ what kind of asshole builds a thick wall at the end of a runway like that. Holy shit." I hope there was something incredibly valuable beyond that wall.
murder Member	Sun Dec 29 07:06:46 What we learned this December: Aviation series The two most dangerous places to fly in the world are ... 1. around Russian airspace 2. Anywhere on a fucking Boeing jet. -
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 29 11:57:03 "I hope there was something incredibly valuable beyond that wall." It seems its job was to elevate runway lights. Amazing.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 29 11:58:11 Jergul, after how embarrassingly wrong you were in the last thread you would think you would sit this one out.
murder Member	Sun Dec 29 12:05:44 "It seems its job was to elevate runway lights." Well good job then.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 29 12:18:21 I stand by what I said. You overspecify and prematurely jump to conclusions. I made no other claims than that. You are playing with straw men again sammy. I get it. Pretend victories are better than no victories at all.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 29 13:28:55 Everyone dead except two crewmembers who managed to crawl out of the inferno after the collision with the Wall of Death. Incredible engineering
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 29 13:43:47 I like how wall of death is its name now... appropriately named by the internet. This is the first time that i can remember that the widespread internet has reached the appropriate conclusions about an air disaster... and in the first 24 hours too. Good job people.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 30 02:33:23 Another South Korean Plane Faces Landing Gear Issue Day After Deadly Crash Seoul, South Korea: A Jeju Air flight from Seoul on Monday was forced to return after encountering a landing gear problem, the airline said, a day after South Korea's most deadly plane crash. The Boeing 737-800 involved in the latest incident was the same model as the Jeju Air plane that crashed on Sunday killing 179 people after coming down without its landing gear engaged. Jeju Air Flight 7C101, which departed Seoul's Gimpo International Airport for Jeju island "at around 6:37 am, returned to Gimpo at 7:25 am" after a landing gear issue was detected shortly after takeoff, the South Korean airline said. "Shortly after takeoff, a signal indicating a landing gear issue was detected on the aircraft's monitoring system," Song Kyung-hoon, head of the management support office at Jeju Air, told a news conference. "At 6:57 am, the captain communicated with ground control, and after taking additional measures, the landing gear returned to normal operation. However, the decision was made to return to the airport for a thorough inspection of the aircraft." Local media reported that 21 passengers chose not to board an alternate flight to Jeju, citing concerns over safety and other reasons http://www...r-issue-in-south-korea-7362086
williamthebastard Member	Mon Dec 30 02:37:35 Boeing is the Trabant of the skies
TheChildren Member	Mon Dec 30 02:39:10 how is da wall still standing after a 100thousand kg plane at 100 mph rammed it includin full fireball xplosion from da fuel equivalent to how many tons of tnt xplosion dat wall must be some part of some military buildin bs otherwise cant be xplianed. so they build some military shit on some airport and didnt realize it wuld backfire this badly someone dropped da ball hard here, and it no surprise it is another warmonger military goon with iq of 28
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 30 03:21:05 Probably the americans who thought it was a smart idea to build a military wall there.
murder Member	Sat Jan 11 04:33:50 Jeju Air 'black box' data missing from last 4 minutes before crash, South Korea ministry says *eyeroll* http://www...nutes-before-crash-2025-01-11/
murder Member	Sat Jan 11 10:23:03 Apparently Richard Nixon's secretary was operating the black boxes. -
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 11 13:34:14 Thats not entirely unusual. Flight tracking data also went out at that precise time so clearly the plane lost electricity at that moment. This budget airline did not elect to purchase further backup batteries i think i saw. So why was electricity out is the real question. Normally you would say both engines were out... but not in this case since we know the aircraft stayed aloft for 4 more minutes and even sped up so at least some engine power existed. Did the crew accidentally turn off things responding to a damaged engine? Were both engines damaged but still semi-functional? That seems less likely... jet engines are usually all or nothing... its not in their nature to be semi-functional.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 11 13:37:47 Was the plane wired such that a single engine provided electricity to both black boxes and transponder? Maybe? Did a surge from a failing engine trip a bunch of stuff? I'd put odds on improper crew response to 1 engine out, but am not sure.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 11 13:40:35 At this point i'd be looking closely at whether feathers exist in one or both engines.
jergul large member	Sat Jan 11 14:43:59 Can we just jot it down to "boeing"? Can you imagine the fun you would be having with airbus if it had the same issues with planes leaving the air in unscheduled ways like we have become accostomed to with Boeing?
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 11 15:05:19 "Can we just jot it down to "boeing"?" No, since its probably not boeings fault. How you make things better is to correctly identify fault... and in this case the design of the aircraft is currently well down the list. Unfortunately in this case the most egregious fault has been identified a dozen times already and ignored by a host of retards designing and certifying this airport.
jergul large member	Sat Jan 11 17:26:04 Black box not working seems to be something that should never happen. But sure. Yay boeing. Greatest aircraft producer evah once we discount all other manufacturers.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 11 20:57:21 dont think you can talk, your country makes fish.
TheChildren Member	Sun Jan 12 01:34:14 budget airline or budget plane?
TheChildren Member	Sun Jan 12 01:35:18 " How you make things better is to correctly identify fault." >> ya...on paper lol u have da designs on da paper. u still need da men, da proper men not lazy cheap murican wokers doing shit quality assembly
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 12 02:30:44 Rumor is that a Russian construction company built the wall.
murder Member	Sun Jan 12 09:14:19 "dont think you can talk, your country makes fish." OK, that's funny. :o)
jergul large member	Sun Jan 12 10:02:26 True dat. We do make fish. In the same way you make pigs.
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