Utopia Talk / Politics / The USS Truman Show is no longer funny

murder rank	Wed May 07 13:07:10 They lost ANOTHER F/A-18 Super Hornet. Apparently the arresting cable snapped and the jet wasn't able to get airborne again and crashed into the sea.
murder rank	Wed May 07 13:17:03 For those not keeping track at home, in the past few months this carrier has ... > lost one F/A-18F to friendly fire > crashed into a merchant ship ... the Captain was fired > lost one F/A-18E overboard while taking evasive actions to dodge a Houthi missile or drone > lost this F/A-18E due to a landing accident That's 3 lost F/A-18E/Fs and one drunk driving incident on one deployment. That's got to be a record. -
Average Ameriacn rank	Wed May 07 13:32:21 HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!
Nimatzo rank	Wed May 07 13:57:37 This what you get for lowering admission standards.
TheChildren rank	Wed May 07 17:02:05 rofl u realize these r combat losses. which r made 2 seem like accidents so as 2 not lose face one doesnt lose this much equipment from "accidents" u fuckin idiots
tumbleweed rank	Thu May 08 02:04:08 not enough DEI
Paramount rank	Thu May 08 07:18:50 Trump fired all trannies from the navy and now all this happened. A coincidence? Or is the US navy dependent on trannies?
patom rank	Thu May 08 11:16:31 Don't see any reason for it to change, but Aircraft Carrier duty is inherently dangerous. It was that way when I was in the navy 60 years ago. Cables have been snapping, planes have fallen off flight decks, planes have lost power on takeoff or caught 'dead catapults. Every time a ship went on a Med cruise they expected to lose at least 2 or 3 men.
jergul rank	Thu May 08 12:45:50 Doge will definitely makes this better. Think of all the savings each aircraft lost represents. They are expensive to operate.
jergul rank	Thu May 08 12:56:55 On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills.
TheChildren rank	Thu May 08 13:42:24 so wut da final score? houthis 2 murica 0 ?
Average Ameriacn rank	Thu May 08 15:03:23 HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!
murder rank	Thu May 08 15:57:43 "On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills." Did you learn a lot about launching and recovering jets at sea? -
murder rank	Thu May 08 16:01:52 btw this last jet was an F/A-18F not an F/A-18E.
patom rank	Thu May 08 16:49:57 jurgul, there are very few jobs related to air operations on a modern Aircraft Carrier, that relate to seamanship. I followed in my brothers footsteps (not very bright of me) and quit school as soon as I turned 17 and joined the Navy. We both worked in the Airwing. We had work experience as we both had part time jobs while attending school. Neither one of us had ever been on a fishing boat. To my knowledge I don't believe it hindered us working on aircraft. He made a career of the Navy serving for 23 years and made many Medcruises, Nato cruises and Nato cruises. Aircraft Carriers are small cities with around 5,000 people on board between Crew and Squadron personnel. Many different jobs and specialized skills involved. As in all things mechanical, the more moving parts the higher the likelihood that things will break or just plain malfunction.
jergul rank	Thu May 08 23:33:22 Murder Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do! Winches should have been involved. Not to haul, but to make sure the tractor and aircraft could not drift at all, let alone off the ship. Patom The incidents I refer to involve common seamanship tasks. I am acutely aware of people that need no seamanship at all (*cough* machinists, *cough*) and accept that there would be many more roles like that on a cruise liner such as a Carrier.
Paramount rank	Fri May 09 13:39:37 Trump fired all the trannies from the navy not long ago. That may explain why all of this is happening now.
patom rank	Fri May 09 14:49:55 jergul, how many Aircraft carriers have you seen with cranes? The idea on these carriers is quick movement of the planes from flight deck to launch or to hangar deck for maintenance. They have elevators. and vehicles to tow them when necessary. These tasks are all being done at the same time, with multiple aircraft and missions. Not to mention the different munitions that are reloaded on the planes. All done 24/7 at 30+knots. With noise levels that would totally distract just about anyone. My brother in his time at sea on carriers witnessed a sailor back into the propellers of a plane warming up. He also was crew on a plane that caught a Dead catapult, even got a medal for getting the pilot out of the plane. Your comparisons to fishing operations is kind of strange. Even though I know of the dangers in what you used to do. Just in the last couple of months here in Maine we've had a scallop dragger go down with father and son. Also another crewman on a dragger killed by a snapped cable. The father and son should have stayed in the harbor in Eastport. Instead they decided to try and make it through some wicked bad weather.
jergul rank	Fri May 09 15:10:13 Patom Winches are not the same as cranes. Though, I get your point. Things are not worse now, they are just more transparent. Snapped cables are wicked, I have a nice scar running from temple to jawline below ear from one of those :).
murder rank	Fri May 09 16:31:44 "Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do!" You hauled whales around a ship while underway? -
jergul rank	Fri May 09 18:17:48 Murder Amusingly, an F-18 and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same.
murder rank	Fri May 09 19:06:00 "... and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same." I'm sure I'm missing something obvious but ... wtf are you talking about?
patom rank	Fri May 09 20:00:04 If you haul a whale across a deck it's not on wheels and the center of gravity is one hell of a lot lower than an aircraft on wheels. jergul, when I was a kid stationed at NAS Norfolk we used to watch a lot of films of accidents on flight decks. One I'll never forget was a landing cable snapping and killing over 20 sailors in one swipe. Flight deck duty is the most dangerous and they all get hazardous duty pay. People have been sucked into intakes or chopped up like confetti by propellers.
jergul rank	Fri May 09 21:02:47 Murder Trawling. Bottome trawling has all kinds of heavy attachments to keep the trawl, well at the bottom. I did not include the towing wire in the weight as that is all nicely tucked away when the doors and gear are on deck.
jergul rank	Fri May 09 21:04:51 Patom I am sure it is the most dangerous of jobs on a carrier.
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