Utopia Talk / Politics / Should Denmark trade Greenland ...

murder rank	Mon Jan 19 06:25:12 For Florida? Trump will do it too. Just think of all the immigrants he could get rid of with just a handshake. :o) -
tumbleweed rank	Mon Jan 19 07:53:39 his Mar-a-lago palace (& classified doc storage) is there he was displaying the entrance door on his feed a few days ago... of interest to the world, i'm sure
murder rank	Mon Jan 19 09:10:51 It was just wishful thinking on my part. Denmark would probably go for Hawaii anyway.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 14:37:19 I've been thinking, the Danes should be establishing a negotiating position that they are willing to sell Greenland to the US...in exchange for the US giving Denmark the entire Eastern Seaboard. A steep trade perhaps, but it is necesssary for Denmark's national security needs. In this Neo-Danish Empire, English will be banned after a five-year transition period. Voting rights will be granted after a 70-year period in which the state has the opportunity to thoroughly instill Danish values into the children of the new citizenry. The Second Amendment would of course be abolished. Mar-a-Lago will be turned into a housing development for Greenland emigres. If Denmark had any balls, this kind of satirical proposal would be a pointed jab at the ridiculousness of Trump's demands. But of course, the Danes have no balls.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 14:49:55 The absurdity of thinking it constitutes a point jab lol That is like a 130lbs antifa soyboi telling an ICE agent if he pepper sprays him he gets to fuck his wife. No basis or bearing in reality and immediately dismissed - ideally with prejudice.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 14:59:09 Pillz The US demand that Denmark surrender Greenland is absurd. Land grabs of this nature do not (normally) happen in the modern international order, much less among nominal allies. Really, the only thing that is justifying Trump's demands is Europe's pathetically weak response to them. Trump may in fact have a point - if Europe's response to a threatened military invasion of its territory is to deploy 30-odd soldiers (some of whom have already been recalled home) and *maybe* cancel a pending trade deal, then they in fact cannot be trusted to stand up against future Russian or Chinese aggression. Europe needs to demonstrate that it has the stones to stand up for itself and NATO when it matters. So far it has wholly failed to do that.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 15:02:38 If any country ever demanded that the US surrender one of our states to them, our response would be a derisive "go fuck yourself." Followed possibly by bombings. The very idea would be treated as laughably stupid. Europe is not acting like it's laughably stupid that we demand to have Denmark. That's a problem in and of itself.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 15:17:36 Rugian: Your failure to speak and interpret European responses is your own problem. They treat the threat as deadly serious, not laughable. But they are very clear and couldn't be more clear: it's not going to happen. If the US public, political class and media think it's a big joke and not worth reigning in, they are about to find out the consequence of their own lack of seriousness.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 15:19:23 "The US demand that Denmark surrender Greenland is absurd. Land grabs of this nature do not (normally) happen in the modern international order, much less among nominal allies." 'Modern International Order' is just the enforcement of world order under American Hegemony. 'American Hegemony' being key to understanding why America gets to decide when it's enforced or not. 'Allies' is also a politically correct term you're applying in a contextually inappropriate manner. Europe (both the EU and Denmark specifically) are not 'allies', they're vassals. Your stupid attempts to moralize and intellectualize the situation to fit your arbitrary modern perspective don't matter. "Trump may in fact have a point - if Europe's response to a threatened military invasion of its territory is to deploy 30-odd soldiers (some of whom have already been recalled home) and *maybe* cancel a pending trade deal, then they in fact cannot be trusted to stand up against future Russian or Chinese aggression.' Ty for proving the point I just brought up, as the idea Russia is a threat to Europe is unfounded, and yes, ensuring European wealth and resources belong to America are imperative - China can not be allowed to win a greater foothold in Europe than it already has - and Europe is definitely retarded enough to sell their souls to the east. "Europe needs to demonstrate that it has the stones to stand up for itself and NATO when it matters. So far it has wholly failed to do that." Yes and we need a morbidly obese female-to-male midget to win worlds strongest man to prove women are just as capable as men are???
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 15:20:06 Seb is so fucking stupid
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 15:45:26 Seb Incorrect. Europe's failure to adequately convey their position in language that the other side can understand (assuming that is indeed their position, which is not a given) is their problem. The headlines from the continent are frankly mind-boggling. "We want to avoid escalation if possible," "We want to find a diplomatic solution," etc. This mealy-mouthed weaksauce is not the language of a continent that is outraged that its territorial integrity has been threatened by an outside power. This is the language of a group setting an opening negotiating position for future discussions in which they are prepared to ultimately offer concessions in the interest of a settlement. I guarantee you that none of these "oh, gee, we find it lamentable that the US are being meanies to Denmark" statements are convincing the White House that they can't get exactly what they want as long as they continue playing hardball.
Forwyn rank	Mon Jan 19 16:45:10 Seb should pray that Trump isn't ingratiated by an Argentinian nationalist with a penchant for praise.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 17:47:27 Rugian: Your leader is insane. He's been told publicly and repeatedly Greenland is not for sale and Denmark will forcibly defend itself against any invader. What do you want us to do exactly? Decapitate the US ambassadors to our countries on live TV and FedEx their severed heads to the white house? You elected this fucker, not us. If you attack an Ally, NATO (and US power projection info Africa and the middle east) is over. Your Sigint is over. Your tech industry is over. It will be hell to pay. That's been said. If the only way that cuts through is when all hell breaks loose, because Americans are too degenerate to understand words, then that's what's going to happen. But Europe isn't going to make the first move. It will respond.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 18:02:02 Seb is in full cope mode, like the leftists in Minnesota
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 18:16:44 Forwyn: Bring it. Absolutely the quickest way to get every American serviceman in the UK lynched by rampaging mobs of right wingers and us rejoining the EU.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 18:58:51 Lol seb really believes that the british are gonna fight Americans over a Danish territory and rejoin the eu You are beyond delusional you fucking crack addicted cuckold loving deviant communist
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