Utopia Talk / Politics / Defund the police! Also, WE NEED POLICE

Rugian Member	Wed Sep 16 13:18:39 Gee, isn't this a completely unpredictable outcome that no one could have possibly foreseen. *cue the CYE theme music* ---- September 16, 2020 - 01:44 PM EDT Minneapolis city councilors: Residents are feeling 'terrorized,' say police 'nowhere to be seen' Minneapolis city councilors told the city police chief on Tuesday that their residents are feeling “terrorized” and say police are “nowhere to be seen” months after the police killing of George Floyd set off protests against police brutality. The Minneapolis City Council called on Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo to address constituents’ reports of increased street racing, carjacking, robberies, assaults and shootings. The meeting this week came months after the city council unanimously voted to amend the city’s charter to allow the city police department to be dismantled. The proposal, which would need to be voted on as a ballot measure, would replace the police department with a Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention, “which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach.” During the two-hour meeting, several council members, including Council President Lisa Bender, said residents have complained that officers on the ground said they will not enforce crime or make arrests. Arradondo, who has served as chief since 2017, called the comments “troubling to hear” and promised to discuss the issue with the commanders and heads of the precincts. “We need to make sure that our communities know that we are going to be there, that we’re going to be responsive,” the chief said. “We’ve taken an oath to do that.” Council Member Jamal Osman [very American-sounding name there, by the way] said his constituents are asking, “Where are the police?” and informing him that calls to police are going unanswered. “That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen,” Osman said. The Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides, as well as property crimes and arson, Minnesota Public Radio reported. More homicides have taken place in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than all of 2019. The police chief said the department was responding by adding more officers to patrol and investigations and attempting to suppress robberies. But council members told Arradondo that officers are saying they’re overworked and understaffed. The chief said about 100 officers have left the department this year, more than double the usual amount who step down or are inactive every year. Council Member Phillipe Cunningham criticized his fellow city councilors during the meeting, accusing them of contradicting previous statements when they called for the department to be dismantled. “What I am sort of flabbergasted by right now is colleagues, who a very short time ago were calling for abolition, are now suggesting we should be putting more resources and funding into MPD,” Cunningham said. The council began focusing on police reform after Floyd, a Black man, died after a police officer knelt on his neck for almost eight minutes. The officer, Derek Chauvin, has been charged with second-degree manslaughter, and the three other officers present were charged with aiding and abetting. Floyd’s death sparked Black Lives Matter protests across the country and around the world. http://the...-feeling-terrorized-say-police
jergul large member	Wed Sep 16 13:28:41 Ruggy Why do you hate union bashing? That is what defunding the police is all about. Everyone is made redundant, contracts end with redundancy. Rehire under new contract regimes in a new organization.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 16 13:31:59 Jergul Hard as it may be to believe, it is entirely possible to simultaneously be opposed to public unions AND Democratic attempts to turn the police into Public Enemy #1.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Wed Sep 16 13:44:36 It would help if they stopped killing people.
sam adams Member	Wed Sep 16 14:00:19 Lol dont you just love leftist logic: We should disband the police, celebrate criminals, and import africans. A few months later... why is crime going up!!! Where are the police!!!!
jergul large member	Wed Sep 16 14:03:11 Sammy You don't think that collective agreements in many police departments include things that should not be included in employment contracts? Good to know! Its union bashing, stupid.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 16 14:07:59 Jergul engaging in his usual nonsensical arguments. Using his logic, every cop who is murdered on duty is an instance of union busting as well. Draining the swamp one employee at a time!
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 16 14:09:18 Can we change things up for once and not indulge jergul's arguments? You can be for reforming police unions and against the lawless rioting that Democratic cities and states have allowed. These are not mutually exclusive issues.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 16 14:11:02 i thought Trump solved Minneapolis unrest?
jergul large member	Wed Sep 16 14:42:08 Ruggy You are just so stunningly dishonest. Defunding police is just a way of getting rid of existing contracts and replacing them with contracts less beneficial to the employees. The driving force is of course police immunity negotiated through collective agreements (particularly in terms of how interviews of police suspects are conducted). Defunding and reestablishing police forces is an obvious way of decreasing police abuse and decreasing lawless rioting.
sam adams Member	Wed Sep 16 14:51:13 You can always count on jergul to take on some random confused and irrelevant offshoot of a given topic.
Forwyn Member	Wed Sep 16 21:50:12 Leftist majority-minority shitholes are not capable of operating under libertarian/anarchist governance. This is why, of course, "Defund" movements are simply budgetary realignments.
jergul large member	Thu Sep 17 05:13:43 Sammy You are silly. Defund movements are about subjecting police to better regulation. If a police department is incorrigably corrupt, then close it down and start a new one. Its the "and start a new one" you are missing. Its a pragmatic way of getting rid of legacy contract agreements. Also, join PETA if you like pigs so much.
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