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Habebe
Member Tue Sep 22 20:05:00
Well. This is still a big if because this assumes they win the POTUS AND the Senate.... Otherwise Doesnt seem much they can do.

But the retaliation threats are

1. Pack the court. Unlikely to be popular at all , long term its a disaster for the Dems.

2. DC and PR statehood. DC will not become a state if Trump gets his pick in.

PR could. That's not necessarily a slam dunk for the Dems like DC is though and the SC wont allow DC statehood.

So there best bet is PR statehood from what I can see.

Did I miss anything?

Pillz
Member Tue Sep 22 20:10:47
Your meds.

kargen
Member Tue Sep 22 21:19:11
Popular vote and allow people 16 or over to vote. Colorado joined other states in agreeing once enough states join to have 270 electoral votes they will give them all to the candidate that wins the popular vote.
There is an initiative on the ballot to reverse the decision but I doubt it will pass.

Pillz
Member Tue Sep 22 21:25:42
Lol @ popular vote

Gonna see a civil war after that for sure.

Forwyn
Member Wed Sep 23 00:03:25
People be like, "We want more options than a two party system" but push for a popular vote system

The retardation is strong

patom
Member Wed Sep 23 04:37:42
Ranked Choice Voting would be more inclusive to other parties. Requiring 50%+ to win any election.

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 04:44:17
Expand the Supreme Court
Then Statehood to DC and PR

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 04:48:17
So PR as 51 , which the, Im not totally against, Or we could just give them sovereignty but anyway.

PR and the state's that giventhere EV to to the PV winner. I googled it apparently a bunch of states did this ( almost all liberal states) but Im notnsure if its actually happening or not because of so why bother visiting Colorado?

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 04:50:01
Jergul, Even if DC and PR were states the Republicans still have a large advantage in the Senate, so they can effectivley still control the SC more often than not.

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 04:56:24
I doubt that, but lets just leave it at less often than now.

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 05:05:49
well You can doubt all you want, its all but cemented that the R have an advantage in the Senate and the D's have an advantage in the House of reps.

The Republicans have gained Senate seats.in the last three elections.

PR isnt a guarantee of D senators like DC is.

some people have thrown out the idea that theyncould have 3 California's meaning 6 senators.

http://www...-to-win-the-supreme-court/amp/

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 08:25:42
habebe
Try to keep track of your own arguments ok?

What can the DNC do?

It can expand the SC
It can add DC and PR as states.

4 more predominantly democratic senators improve the rural disadvantage a site I check every day has an article on.

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 08:26:55
I find the assumption that rural hicks will remain stupid forever as rather insulting btw.

Higher education will eventually change that voter group too as the 7th grade max education peeps die off.

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 09:39:09
Jergul, A discussiin on said options comes afterwards.

I merely pointed out that

1. PR isnt ad much of a guaranteed D seat as DC.

2. Packing the court is unlikely because odds are they will still lose the Senate more often than not.

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 09:46:57
Packing the courts gives DC state status.
PR is like California level Democrat then?
Are the odds such with PR and DC statehood?
Will rural hicks remain ignorant retards?

The last one seems unlikely. Education and death helps mold populations. Even rural ones.

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 09:49:31
Now apparently the Dems can make shit more difficult by what's called a quorum call.

Basically the Senate needs 51 Senators present to function. If one democratic Senator says to ask for a quorum call that means to conduct business the Reps need 50 Senators ( Not sure if Pence counts) which ilduring an election year means that's a bunch of Senators not able to campaign in person.

So not a block, but they could make it difficult.

http://www...burg-senate-democrats.amp.html

jergul
large member Wed Sep 23 09:55:24
What? They will have to be at their place of business? The outrage!

Rugian
Member Wed Sep 23 09:59:56
kargen
Member Tue Sep 22 21:19:11
"Popular vote and allow people 16 or over to vote"

Sheer lunacy. If anything, voting age should be raised to 21. Snowflake college students clearly dont have the maturity required to determine who gets access to the nuclear codes.

habebe
Member Wed Sep 23 11:31:33
Jergul. IKR, But this is a tactic that will gum up the gears because the dems only need one senator present and they will draw some senators away, so thisnfavors the dems.since they already have slight lean in there favor for the Senate and they are not trying to pass anything.

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Habebe Member	Tue Sep 22 20:05:00 Well. This is still a big if because this assumes they win the POTUS AND the Senate.... Otherwise Doesnt seem much they can do. But the retaliation threats are 1. Pack the court. Unlikely to be popular at all , long term its a disaster for the Dems. 2. DC and PR statehood. DC will not become a state if Trump gets his pick in. PR could. That's not necessarily a slam dunk for the Dems like DC is though and the SC wont allow DC statehood. So there best bet is PR statehood from what I can see. Did I miss anything?
Pillz Member	Tue Sep 22 20:10:47 Your meds.
kargen Member	Tue Sep 22 21:19:11 Popular vote and allow people 16 or over to vote. Colorado joined other states in agreeing once enough states join to have 270 electoral votes they will give them all to the candidate that wins the popular vote. There is an initiative on the ballot to reverse the decision but I doubt it will pass.
Pillz Member	Tue Sep 22 21:25:42 Lol @ popular vote Gonna see a civil war after that for sure.
Forwyn Member	Wed Sep 23 00:03:25 People be like, "We want more options than a two party system" but push for a popular vote system The retardation is strong
patom Member	Wed Sep 23 04:37:42 Ranked Choice Voting would be more inclusive to other parties. Requiring 50%+ to win any election.
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 04:44:17 Expand the Supreme Court Then Statehood to DC and PR
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 04:48:17 So PR as 51 , which the, Im not totally against, Or we could just give them sovereignty but anyway. PR and the state's that giventhere EV to to the PV winner. I googled it apparently a bunch of states did this ( almost all liberal states) but Im notnsure if its actually happening or not because of so why bother visiting Colorado?
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 04:50:01 Jergul, Even if DC and PR were states the Republicans still have a large advantage in the Senate, so they can effectivley still control the SC more often than not.
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 04:56:24 I doubt that, but lets just leave it at less often than now.
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 05:05:49 well You can doubt all you want, its all but cemented that the R have an advantage in the Senate and the D's have an advantage in the House of reps. The Republicans have gained Senate seats.in the last three elections. PR isnt a guarantee of D senators like DC is. some people have thrown out the idea that theyncould have 3 California's meaning 6 senators. http://www...-to-win-the-supreme-court/amp/
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 08:25:42 habebe Try to keep track of your own arguments ok? What can the DNC do? It can expand the SC It can add DC and PR as states. 4 more predominantly democratic senators improve the rural disadvantage a site I check every day has an article on.
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 08:26:55 I find the assumption that rural hicks will remain stupid forever as rather insulting btw. Higher education will eventually change that voter group too as the 7th grade max education peeps die off.
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 09:39:09 Jergul, A discussiin on said options comes afterwards. I merely pointed out that 1. PR isnt ad much of a guaranteed D seat as DC. 2. Packing the court is unlikely because odds are they will still lose the Senate more often than not.
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 09:46:57 Packing the courts gives DC state status. PR is like California level Democrat then? Are the odds such with PR and DC statehood? Will rural hicks remain ignorant retards? The last one seems unlikely. Education and death helps mold populations. Even rural ones.
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 09:49:31 Now apparently the Dems can make shit more difficult by what's called a quorum call. Basically the Senate needs 51 Senators present to function. If one democratic Senator says to ask for a quorum call that means to conduct business the Reps need 50 Senators ( Not sure if Pence counts) which ilduring an election year means that's a bunch of Senators not able to campaign in person. So not a block, but they could make it difficult. http://www...burg-senate-democrats.amp.html
jergul large member	Wed Sep 23 09:55:24 What? They will have to be at their place of business? The outrage!
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 23 09:59:56 kargen Member Tue Sep 22 21:19:11 "Popular vote and allow people 16 or over to vote" Sheer lunacy. If anything, voting age should be raised to 21. Snowflake college students clearly dont have the maturity required to determine who gets access to the nuclear codes.
habebe Member	Wed Sep 23 11:31:33 Jergul. IKR, But this is a tactic that will gum up the gears because the dems only need one senator present and they will draw some senators away, so thisnfavors the dems.since they already have slight lean in there favor for the Senate and they are not trying to pass anything.
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