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habebe rank	Tue Oct 13 08:33:48 2020 figured we could use this. A lot of times I just post shit to Tumbleweeds the crazy shit Trump says #272. Ive notice an uptick in Trumpers trying to bring back the Biden is senile bit. To me he obviously appears so. But I have to give credit where credit is due, his campaign has taken the focus off of that to the point its been a non issue for a few weeks.
Dukhat rank	Tue Oct 13 10:09:30 2020 LoL. Biden destroyed Trump in the debates because they pushed the Senile bit so hard. It only makes Trump look like more of a fucking retard and he looked super fucking retarded that debate.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 13 11:36:45 2020 How do you figure Trump is not senile by what comes out of his mouth or tweets?
jergul rank	Tue Oct 13 12:06:47 2020 How are Trump rallies not going to bite him in the ass? Contract tracing is a thing. It is extremely likely we will see sobstories of people sick or dead from superspreader rallies.
habebe rank	Tue Oct 13 13:48:00 2020 Dukhat, How are you so wrong all the time? your like the guy who bets against the Harlem globe trotters. Try some real critical thinking, instead of re hashing talking points. Jergul, Egomania is senile.Trump routinely seems accutly aware of things.
patom rank	Tue Oct 13 14:39:35 2020 LMAO, Trump at rally says he wants to kiss everyone attending. I wonder how many lined up to take a chance that he's not contagious.
habebe rank	Tue Oct 13 14:57:25 2020 Any info on enthusiasm to vote. I know that there is little enthusiasm for Biden, and Trumps is high. But I think it best to compare enthusiasm to vote agaunst Trump compared to enthusiasm to vote for.
Rugian rank	Tue Oct 13 15:29:08 2020 Democrat Proposing To His Girlfriend Says He Won't Reveal Position On Adultery Until After The Wedding October 12th, 2020 WASHINGTON, D.C.—According to anonymous sources, local liberal man Penn Millikers proposed to his girlfriend but has refused to reveal his position on adultery until after the wedding is over. The staunch Democrat said he wants the woman to marry him but won't reveal his position on adultery until the marriage is finalized. "Listen, I love you, babe, but you don't deserve to know what I think about adultery until you say 'I do,'" he told her during a romantic dinner just after he proposed. "No matter how many times his girlfriend asked, Millikers refused to give a straight answer," said the anonymous source. "He said something like: 'Lookie here, Jill! If I tell you right now whether or not I plan to remain faithful to you, that would become the story! This is just a distraction! I think it's better to just get married first with no prenup. Then I'll tell you what I plan to do.'" Other things he refuses to reveal his position on include taking showers, putting socks in the hamper, going out drinking with the boys every night, and watching sports all day while he ignores his family. "You'll find out my positions on these issues once we are married." http://bab...nt-reveal-position-on-adultery
jergul rank	Tue Oct 13 17:31:48 2020 And a Republican surrogate mother just refused to tell her position on abortion saying "give me the check and semen sample. We will see how it plays out".
jergul rank	Tue Oct 13 17:55:31 2020 The liberal man just confirmed he is not a fan of adultery btw.
obaminated rank	Wed Oct 14 00:56:06 2020 Im not a fan of black women, doesnt mean i wouldn't spit roast beyonce if given the chance.
Habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 00:57:26 2020 I fucks with darkmeat.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Oct 14 09:07:53 2020 "Two senior campaign officials said the Trump operation needs more money to run TV ads and is playing defense in many states. Bill Stepien has said that they need to be careful with money because there are so many states where the campaign needs it." http://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1316214645615521792 multiple articles have noted his cutback on ad buys (& obviously he won't spend his own money... as he doesn't have any...) so with all polls showing Biden winning & Dems winning in fundraising, hopefully people will accept it if Biden wins & ignore Trump's claims that he can only lose if fraud, & that crowd sizes prove he's winning, & that all his secret polls show him winning big...
Habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 10:31:45 2020 "so with all polls showing Biden winning & Dems winning in fundraising, hopefully people will accept it if Biden wins" Very possibly. Both camps have their believability of winning. Biden has the polls and Trump.has peoole thinking he is going to win no matter what thebpolls say again.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 14 11:13:45 2020 The pollsters are pretty sure they are getting it right this time. 538 has an article on it. Note also that 538 automatically deducts Biden polls with something it calls the advantage of incumbancy. The Senate polls are more uncertain because there are less of them. But Graham came across as really scared at the hearing. He has updated poll data from after Trump got sick.
habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 12:16:37 2020 538 has also stated that while hope the polls ate more accurate this year that state polls are less reliable. They are the ones that matter. I personally think polls will be less reliable than 16. My reasoning is that none of these polls factor in How many votes will not be counted due to legal/technical issues. And many states keep changing the rules on top of an unprecedented amount of mail in votes. So thenpolls could more accurate in likley.voters and still fall.short because they are not factoring in uncounted votes.
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Oct 14 16:17:32 2020 "I personally think polls will be less reliable than 16." Are you sure it's not because, if the polls are accurate, your hero the orange Cheeto is going to lose?
Habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 16:49:13 2020 Woo, If Biden wins, its.nombig loss to me. But lets be frank. There id a huge difference in voting behaviour this year, mail in ballots. We know this not just from polls that say huge amounts of people plan to vote by mail but by actual request of mail in ballots being higher than ever recorded. Now its common knowledge that mail in ballots are discarded on a higher % , that number Is guess is usually about the same %. However this year is different for several reasons. 1. Many people mail in voting are not regular mail in voters and may be less familiar with the rules.For example in PA the naked ballot issue. 2. The rules seem to be changing every week in several states. Ballot harvesting rules, witness signatures, special envelopes, when ballots start to be counted or end ballot counting etc. Witness signatures in my state have seen rules.changes 3 times in like 2 weeks. All of these issues lead me to beleive there is likely to be many more invalidated ballots than even the usual amounts. Polls do not factor this into account. Then there is the shaky ground of the young voter turnout which is diffiucult to pinpoint every year it seems. We will have to see if hatres of Trump will motivate them to turnoit in high numbers like they did to Barack.
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Oct 14 17:19:57 2020 And that the orange Cheeto would lose.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 14 17:26:05 2020 Are there Cheetos in any other colour?
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Oct 14 17:53:36 2020 The Fiery Cheetos are more red.
habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 17:54:27 2020 I think they make white cheddar Cheetos... I know they make jalepeno, but they are also orange.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 14 18:07:31 2020 ok, I will remember to specify the colour next time I talk about cheetos.
habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 18:11:40 2020 meh , I think we all associate cheetos with orange.
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Oct 14 20:30:09 2020 It is a little redundant, but it also stresses the point that no human should be that color.
habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 20:33:16 2020 Trump is clearly an android who's software went haywire.
Wrath of Orion rank	Wed Oct 14 20:49:31 2020 Sadly, no. He's just a very prominent example of the retardation that is running rampant in the US.
habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 21:05:30 2020 Vancpuver Island looks really nice.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 14 22:41:44 2020 Georgia just flipped blue http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/
Habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 22:56:10 2020 It just takes me to the 538 main page. Could be my phone though. Chrome has been acting jewish, cant watch videos either. Probably gonna switch to Firefox again.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Oct 14 22:57:26 2020 worked ok for me... scroll down to a winding path graphic Iowa & Texas next to fall *fingers crossed*
Rugian rank	Wed Oct 14 23:00:34 2020 "Georgia just flipped blue" Correction: 538 thinks Georgis just flipped blue. It's an important distinction. 538 has a poor track record as of late.
Habebe rank	Wed Oct 14 23:08:16 2020 I want to just reset my chrome to standard settings. Its actimh all screwy.
obaminated rank	Fri Oct 16 00:14:49 2020 Why does harris laugh after she answers a question? Was she told it makes her seem more accesible when she doesnt answer the question?
Dukhat rank	Fri Oct 16 05:33:41 2020 "538 has a poor track record as of late." Says the guy who has no understanding of statistical analysis and probabilistic models at all. It's been highly accurate but your brains just discount anything actually credible because you've been guzzling that Trump cum. Also your father is still dead. You stupid, fat fuck.
obaminated rank	Fri Oct 16 05:52:22 2020 Lol, cuckhat still hitting below the belt.
Habebe rank	Fri Oct 16 13:45:19 2020 Here is the problem with 538. Its not that they have a bad model, however it is lacking IMHO what is one of the biggest issues of this election. But that their source material is weak. They themselves rank polls. Even if you go by their rankings they use way more c and b ranked polls and may throemin one A quality poll. And as Nate will admit he uses the polls that are more readily available. But if you have shit going in, you will have shit coming out. I actually like 538, and watch most of the podcasts and Nate Silver and Claire.Malone are my favorite of the group as they tend to be less overtly bias. I think real feel of the country is closer to what it was in 2016 with a slightly more Biden lean than Hillary.
Habebe rank	Fri Oct 16 13:48:58 2020 I do feel bad for Scully from.CSPAN. The guy is extremely good at behaving in a neutral and nin bias manner.As is the standard for CSPAN. The horrible tweet he posted was nothing horrible at all. He panicked afterwards.He posted " Should I respond to Trump?" But he panicked and lied about being hacked. CSPAN backed him on being hacked. I didnt think he would stoop so loow as to claim being hacked. Sad story.
Habebe rank	Fri Oct 16 14:01:48 2020 What leaves me with such a strong preference to Trump over the left is the their hatred of anything fair and equal. This is a perfect example, they were horrified that Trump would have a competing townhall. Even when Biden had a big supporter hosting his and Trump had the opposite. These arw the kids who grew up thinking their participation trophies were equal to winning. They habe an immediate gut reaction to push for unequal, rigged any and everything.Thats not the America or even the Amwrican Left I grew up with.
habebe rank	Sun Oct 18 16:26:48 2020 So its looking like NC and PA are the big 2 to watch. NC in Senate race as well.
habebe rank	Sun Oct 18 16:32:07 2020 I feel Fla is a safe bet, it's a crazy uncle sort of state.
Dukhat rank	Sun Oct 18 16:58:37 2020 They were never terrified that Trump would have a competing town hall. They were pissed that NBC put it at the same time. They should've been one after the other either way.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 18 18:06:09 2020 Florida is by a stretch of imagination in toss-up territory (though actually democrat). Pensylvania is the one to watch. Not because it is a likely GOP win, but because it is a likely tipping point state.
Habebe rank	Sun Oct 18 18:16:37 2020 I see Trump taking Fla easily. NC, PA Are the ones to watch. Followed by Michigan and AZ which seem to favor Biden
Habebe rank	Sun Oct 18 18:38:36 2020 Trump does have to fight against two 3rd party candidates t h at could garner up to 3% of the vote, not massive but even safe states are often within such a margin.
Dukhat rank	Sun Oct 18 20:03:14 2020 Biggest threat to the Dems is the fact that they were still registering voters while Biden's campaign was social distancing. They've netted about 50-100k registered republicans in most swing states. That being said, Trump has bled support across all voting groups including the white working class. He won them by 3 to 1 against Hillary but It's down to 3:2 against Biden which is a huge swing.
Habebe rank	Sun Oct 18 20:08:48 2020 I bet your wife has a huge swing.
habebe rank	Tue Oct 20 04:02:59 2020 http://www...0d10_story.html?outputType=amp And Biden just likley won the election with this court ruling. Final answer, locking it in. Biden wins.
habebe rank	Tue Oct 20 04:02:59 2020 http://www...0d10_story.html?outputType=amp And Biden just likley won the election with this court ruling. Final answer, locking it in. Biden wins.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Oct 20 04:18:40 2020 ballots had already gone out and say just need mailed by election day (and received by Friday) so would've been crazy to change it ...but Trump can still try to continue corrupting the post office and get delivery delayed past Friday
habebe rank	Tue Oct 20 04:21:31 2020 Trump wasnthe weirdest support Kanye /Kim Kristine Allie 50 cent Kid Rock The Taliban Israel Evangicals If you had listed these all together 5 years ago and said they all support the Same potus candidate , no one would have beleived you.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 04:25:51 2020 I think Biden just won the election by the strikingly significant chance that American will see its president rage impotently into a dead microphone in a few days. Anyone think Trump has the discipline to systematically remember his mic has been turned off?
habebe rank	Tue Oct 20 04:32:59 2020 Biden won when he won a.slew.of court cases over PA Ballots.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 04:40:44 2020 Hang in there buddy. I am sure the GOP will find other ways to not count cast ballots.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Oct 20 04:50:41 2020 which court decision seemed unfair? team Trump is known for bullshit lawsuits, the fact he lost all doesn't mean anything was unfair to him
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 00:45:45 2020 PA early voting anecdote: " Just cast my early vote in the outskirts of Philadelphia County, PA. It was...kind of jarring. If you have option of *early voting*, do it!! If my experience was at all representative, Nov 3rd may be insane. I arrived just as polling place opened. Short line. Thought I'd be in and out in 20 minutes tops. Even w/ this short line, it took 2+ hours. About 10 minutes into me waiting in line, the first Semi started up the residential road adjacent to voting line. It started honking. Then the next Semi followed, then the 3rd. A motorcade of Semis, jeeps, and a few sedans drove down the road. All honking. All flying Trump 2020 flags. With people yelling out the window. This motorcade snaked around the polling place the entire time I was there Let me just say that a line of Semis honking at the same time is *LOUD*. Listening to this for hours is jarring. Election officials, who were extremely professional, could not give instructions to people in line because no one could hear them. People covered their ears. At some point the people in line started yelling at the trucks. Some of which stopped, and started yelling back. There were enough police/officials to keep things from escalating. But all this being said: There is no telling what Nov 3 is going to be like. Vote early! " http://twitter.com/alexoimas/status/1320079972116107264 yet another example of garbage Trump fans trying to interfere w/ voting i wonder if Fox covering any of it like they do that black guy in Philadelphia
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 01:08:51 2020 Biden confesses to the largest voter fraud organization in history: http://twi...any/status/1320117044612943872
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 01:24:37 2020 blacks in South Carolina made him the candidate... whaddya gonna do
Habebe rank	Sun Oct 25 01:37:41 2020 Chain em up, chain em up!!
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 02:01:26 2020 So this convoy of honking semi trucks circled the voting location several times and this guy never thought to record it on video? Oh tw, you live in a world of make believe.
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 02:04:53 2020 Lol, biden is 100% senile.
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 02:13:17 2020 "videos of Natalie (14 yo) being horizontal with Hunter" http://twitter.com/quip1/status/1320147040937017345 Pedo?
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 02:18:01 2020 The fbi had the laptop since December, if they really covered this up that institution will lose all credibility
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 04:04:22 2020 "OAN's @ChanelRion confirms..." would be hard to find someone less trustworthy
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 04:13:55 2020 btw, real news outlets have asked for a copy of alleged laptop and Rudy hasn't responded... I wonder why... Just OAN gets a peek... and that New York Post piece written by a former Hannity employee, plus some person not willing to put their name on it
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 04:18:30 2020 "real news networks" you mean the ones who never talk about it? rofl tw you fool
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 04:31:48 2020 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Oct 24 21:13:55 "I wonder why..." Team Biden has not denied the veracity of any of the contents of the laptop nor that it was dropped off at the repair shop. Instead, they cite a joke of a statement from 50 former spooks who says it could be Russian disinformation. Why? Hint: Because it's all real.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 04:44:38 2020 "you mean the ones who never talk about it? " why should they when Giuliani is the gatekeeper of info? if they actually want other outlets to cover it they should be eager to hand over contents "Team Biden has not denied the veracity of any of the contents" maybe Hunter is in an unknown crackhouse... he's only one who could verify or deny
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 04:45:44 2020 Photos of Malia Obama's credit card with lines of coke? Did he fuck her too? This is so wild. Women do be loving crackheads doe. http://twi...us/1320192306302111745/photo/1
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 04:53:44 2020 http://the...d-hunter-biden-laptop-scandal/
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 04:56:10 2020 QAnon conspiracy theory has more support than Russiagate.
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 05:04:29 2020 Remember when i said the ball was starting to roll on this hunter thing about 2 weeks ago? Remember tw's response? "There is no ball to roll" Rofl, boy the immediate dismissive of this really hasnt aged well, lil guy.
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 05:09:23 2020 The Malia credit card photo is apparently old. Glow in the dark niggas might be posting disinformation to 4chan to distract from the reality of the pedocannibalcabal.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 05:22:15 2020 you mean Hunter wouldn't have taken a picture of Malia's credit card with alleged cocaine on it? it's such a normal photo to take... weird
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 05:23:46 2020 i guess we're in for 10 days full of total bullshit allegedly from Hunter's laptop
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 05:30:32 2020 Hunter is a crackhead, you think he makes rational decisions? Also, as i predicted, early voting would be a mistake because people got to vote before the actual election day. http://www...rges-after-biden-trump-debate/
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 05:43:11 2020 lol, tw thinks a crackhead who fucks his dead brothers wife and his niece would be smart enough not to take pictures of malia obama's coke covered credit card. this is a guy who dropped off his broken laptop at a repair shop and never came back for it.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 05:47:03 2020 well he didn't take the photo, you gullible idiot... there's a story of her credit card being stolen and that image posted a year ago and speaking of the pro-Trump repairman... he claims he's not sure if it was Hunter who dropped off this alleged laptop as he's legally blind... so many reasons for real media NOT to cover the story
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 05:48:26 2020 again, if real news covering it was desired, Giuliani should be churning out copies of the full laptop to every outlet
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 05:52:32 2020 tw still doesn't understand the importance of the entire biden camp not once denying that the laptop is hunter biden's.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 06:04:22 2020 well you believed the Malia credit card story... even after Renzo said it was fake if the Biden camp even knows... saying it's real would just add to your already willingness to believe everything you hear (+ less gullible people than yourself) for when false shit keeps pouring out (which it apparently will) plus Hunter could be MIA & thus they wouldn't know anything about it (& some of the alleged texts Giuliani revealed show a suicidally depressed Hunter feeling like he has ruined his father's chances before Biden even decided to run so him being MIA is possible) and assuming the laptop real, what exactly should real media report about it? just what Giuliani says is on it? & i see NY Times does have a long "What We Know and Don’t About Hunter Biden and a Laptop" article so it's not completely ignored
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 11:51:21 2020 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Oct 24 22:47:03 "and speaking of the pro-Trump repairman... he claims he's not sure if it was Hunter who dropped off this alleged laptop as he's legally blind... so many reasons for real media NOT to cover the story" Biden hasn't denied the laptop dropoff or claimed that the documents are fake. It happened and they're real.
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 11:53:06 2020 tumbleweed the wanderer Sat Oct 24 23:04:22 "and assuming the laptop real, what exactly should real media report about it?" The e-mails and text messages that show Joe Biden's corruption.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 25 12:53:30 2020 What would be the point of that beyond drawing false equivalence between Trump and Biden?
habebe rank	Sun Oct 25 18:00:27 2020 Again, most of the shit about Hunter, I'm like who cares? But the democrats kind of started it going after the Trump Family this round.And even on Trump 90% of the attacks against him are about how he is rude or mean....very little about actual policy
swordtail rank	Sun Oct 25 18:47:30 2020 http://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1320381382061850631
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 18:54:11 2020 "The e-mails and text messages that show Joe Biden's corruption" where are they supposed to get these alleged emails & text messages? they have no source material other than what Giuliani & other Trump allies decide to put out, that's bad reporting especially when Giuliani -already- linked to a foreign agent who is putting out disinformation what if Hunter has an email "sorry, i couldn't set up that meeting w/ my father".... is Giuliani going to release that?
Habebe rank	Sun Oct 25 18:58:24 2020 It's probably like the scary monster in the movies. It seems worse if you just show the shadow. So the email probably sounds worse if you just hint at whats in it.
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 25 18:58:40 2020 "Giuliani -already- linked to a foreign agent who is putting out disinformation" This from the faggot that unironically pushed the Steele dossier
renzo marQuez rank	Sun Oct 25 19:02:06 2020 tumbleweed the wanderer Sun Oct 25 11:54:11 "where are they supposed to get these alleged emails & text messages?" The New York Post? Where did you get your information about Russiagate? You trust unnamed spooks in that case but not the documents themselves in this case?
obaminated rank	Sun Oct 25 19:06:52 2020 Yeah wtf? Tw acts like guiliani is hording the documents when the ny post has them and has been running this story. Dumbass.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 19:25:02 2020 "This from the faggot that unironically pushed the Steele dossier " how did i push the Steele dossier? (which wasn't released until after election btw, for those saying media reported that but not this alleged Hunter stuff)
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 19:26:44 2020 Giuliani gave the info to the New York Post... & one person on byline was a former employee of Hannity thus must be garbage (& another didn't want their name on article as didn't trust source info)
Dukhat rank	Sun Oct 25 19:28:26 2020 If Foreskin believes it, it must be untrue. Cuckservatives are disgustingly dishonest.
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 25 20:00:31 2020 What have I stated that I believe here, Cuckhat? That it's hilarious that people who are now whining about muh foreign agents lapped up Pissgate?
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 20:06:19 2020 the Steele dossier is NOT what started the collusion investigation that was disinformation put out constantly by team Trump/Fox so they could link it all to Hillary (& they've had great success apparently) ...& i didn't even read it, so not sure how i could have pushed it... & i specifically recall noting Steele himself estimated only 70% accuracy to the info
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 25 20:43:11 2020 We went over this long enough, I don't feel like doing it again "A lot of words to say that paying foreigners for opp. research based on Kremlin chatter is A-okay But receiving it directly for free is not" http://www...&thread=84425&showdeleted=true
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 20:59:30 2020 the Steele dossier was a private investigator hired to look into Trump's dealings... if all he did was take info from questionable sources & made no attempts at corroboration then he did a bad job (& it wasn't put out by media until after election) that's not similar to Trump's henchman Giuliani mysteriously acquiring information (after already working w/ numerous shady people including specifically a guy identified as a Russian agent distributing misinformation about the Bidens) & expecting the media to just put out what Giuliani provides right before an election
tumbleweed rank	Sun Oct 25 21:23:16 2020 interview where Giuliani asked @ 18:20 & 22:05 about giving the laptop out to others... he won't do it, wants to control the information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ziEwfWghA&feature=emb_logo thus totally idiotic to expect media outlets to just report the pieces he wants reported & he's clearly hiding shit or he'd want it distributed
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 25 21:41:55 2020 The FBI has the original laptop and drive.
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