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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 22:27:10
so maybe Hunter Biden assassinated Seth Rich for drug money?... and the confession will be in the child porn folder

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anyway:

White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to Trump

U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, according to four former officials familiar with the matter.

The warnings were based on multiple sources, including intercepted communications, that showed Giuliani was interacting with people tied to Russian intelligence during a December 2019 trip to Ukraine, where he was gathering information that he thought would expose corrupt acts by former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

(^from new WaPo article)
http://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1316940711057645572
(& that's not 'russia russia russia' fake news, it's just factual that at least one of Giuliani's sources HAS been labeled a Russian agent actively spreading disinformation)


& Giuliani's daughter just endorsed Biden

& Giuliani or his team accidentally uploaded a video of him imitating asians to Youtube
(that one not that important, just fits his bumbling buffoon pattern... like butt-dialing a reporter)
Dukhat
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:32:17
Band of Thieves will be the name of books written about Trump's cabinet.
obaminated
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:34:09
Yeah, the guy who destroyed the american mafia and led new york city out of a major terrorist attack is a bad guy because he backs someone you dont like.

Fucking kids.
renzo marQuez
Member
Thu Oct 15 22:35:24
tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Oct 15 22:27:10
"U.S. intelligence agencies"

Less credibility than Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 22:37:28
how would that even be possible to have less credibility than Trump?

nothing he says is based on fact, & deliberately so
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 15 22:49:57
"Band of Thieves"

speaking of which

"Elliott Broidy, a former top political fundraiser for President Donald Trump and the Republican Party, plans to plead guilty to participating in an illegal foreign lobbying scheme and cooperate with investigators in the matter"

http://www...lead-guilty-cooperate-with-u-s
Dukhat
Member
Thu Oct 15 23:03:01
The cuckservatives are flagellating. They don't have a leg to stand on. I wonder how the physical people in their lives deal with it. They probably just compartementalize and hide their idiotic political views.

Most Trump supporters I know always play the victim. They sadly feel it's easier for them than actually admitting they are wrong. Their whole world view depends on feeling they are being oppressed rather than acknowledging the truth that they are lazy, stupid, fat fucks.
Pillz
Member
Fri Oct 16 07:58:29
Posters at UP were warned that tw craved Russian semen

These reports are now confirmed
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 08:47:21
Pillz
Member Fri Oct 16 07:58:29
"Posters at UP were warned that tw craved Russian semen

These reports are now confirmed"

My sources also confirm this.
obaminated
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:07:31
Both tw and dukhat have broken.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 12:03:55
it's not like it's just a rumor

facts:

-Giuliani was on a crusade in Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden

-Giuliani got info from Andriy Derkach

-our intel agencies specifically cite Andriy Derkach as spreading disinformation to hurt Biden


and obviously Giuliani is a gullible idiot so easy to use... one might say a useful idiot... just like his moron putin-loving boss


"Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?"
~ lil girl fucking moron (tweet to the world)

plus there have been 3 revealed love letters to Putin begging him to come to that pageant & in one he's like 'i see you haven't responded, but i'm coming early in case you want to meet' (eyelash batting)

... plus obviously he has defended Russia on everything ever, even when has no bearing on him

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anyway, an article about the WaPo article above (but no pay wall):

"White House was warned that Giuliani was being used by Russians to 'feed misinformation' to Trump"

http://www...ion-operation-trump/index.html
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:14:56
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 12:03:55
"it's not like it's just a rumor

facts:

...

-our intel agencies specifically cite Andriy Derkach as spreading disinformation to hurt Biden"

So it is just a rumor.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 12:17:36
a love letter even earlier than pageant:
http://i.insider.com/5f3ceda542f43f001ddfdad3

the underlining would be by Trump w/ his marker
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:37:17
Who gives a shit? You're really terrified of Putin? Lulz.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 12:40:31
there is no terror

if he wasn't president i wouldn't care... the president shouldn't be a fawning lil girl who does whatever the leader of an unfriendly nation wants (including smearing our own agencies in his defenses)

is that too much to ask?
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:47:29
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 12:40:31
"the president shouldn't be a fawning lil girl who does whatever the leader of an unfriendly nation wants"

Retarded take. Trump has taken a much harder line on Russia than his predecessor. Can you provide a list of the Trump actions you believe were whatever Putin wanted?
Pillz
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:48:38
Youre right. The president should be a geriatric, senile, racist. Or an unelected corrupt prosecutor.

You keep rallying for it, it'll happen!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 13:02:49
"Trump has taken a much harder line on Russia than his predecessor"

Trump talks/tweets, that's all he does... show him being tough on Russia via his own words

his administration not being on the same page as him as been clear from the start

he defended them continuously against our own intel agencies for years on election interference (culminating w/ siding w/ Putin on stage w/ him, which he then gave a ridiculous lie about when it didn't go over well)... although he continues to not care a bit about their interference

he defended them on plane shootdown, he dismissed Putin killing people, gave Russian talking points on Crimea, has been reluctant to believe Putin did any poisonings & no interest in the investigations, he has worked to ease/delay/end sanctions against Russia, he has repeatedly advocated for them back in G7, he came back from one meeting w/ Putin touting Putin's idea of them joining our cyber security team, and from another touting Putin's idea of his investigators joining ours on election interference (then they get to learn all about our sources/methods), he called Russian bounties story a hoax & never has cared about it, repeatedly has attack NATO & wouldn't commit to mutual defense pledge...

now you go

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 13:24:58
article about Giuliani's current shenanigans (last article was about prior shenanigans)... not sure it adds much beyond headline info, i only skimmed it:


"US authorities investigating if recently published emails are tied to Russian disinformation effort targeting Biden"

http://www...ation-investigation/index.html

although this in it:

"Senate Republicans investigated the Bidens' dealings in Ukraine -- a probe that received bipartisan criticism as being a politically motivated endeavor. The Republican in charge even said he hoped the findings would convince people not to vote for Biden, but the investigation ended in September without uncovering any evidence that Biden abused his powers or changed US policy because of his son's business ties."

but like Benghazi, i'm sure they'll do yet another investigation... the investigations happening (so they can be speculated about on Fox News) is more important than expecting the investigations to actually ever find anything
obaminated
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:58:11
Tw, you are a child who was allowed to speak up, now the adults are talking so be quiet and let us fix everything so you van benefit from it.
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 14:16:54
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 13:02:49
"Trump talks/tweets, that's all he does... show him being tough on Russia via his own words"

Words? Why only words?

"his administration not being on the same page as him as been clear from the start"

Correct. His biggest errors have been related to personnel decisions (e.g., hiring Russia-and everywhere else hawk John Bolton).

"he defended them continuously against our own intel agencies for years on election interference (culminating w/ siding w/ Putin on stage w/ him, which he then gave a ridiculous lie about when it didn't go over well)... although he continues to not care a bit about their interference"

Our own intelligence agencies are filled with liars and constantly put out disinformation. But I'll see your Helsinki summit and raise with Obama's tough talk in public and "more flexibility" comments when he thought he was in private:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8

"he defended them on plane shootdown,"

Are these the pre-2016 election comments about Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Those weren't made during his presidency and weren't really a defense. Trump basically said the Russians may have been responsible but he couldn't say with certainty. If they are other comments, let me know. These are the only ones I am aware of.

"he dismissed Putin killing people,"

Putin wasn't killing people during the Obama administration? And again, you're focused on what Trump has said, not what Trump has done.

"gave Russian talking points on Crimea,"

Who cares? Crimea is not an area the US should be involved in. And Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine... something Obama refused to do (in part because of Neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine like the Azov Battalion).

"has been reluctant to believe Putin did any poisonings & no interest in the investigations,"

The alleged poisonings he sanctioned Russia for? http://www.state.gov/second-round-of-chemical-and-biological-weapons-control-and-warfare-elimination-act-sanctions-on-russia/

"he has worked to ease/delay/end sanctions against Russia,"

Nonsense. He's implemented sanctions multiple times, including for the alleged poisonings as discussed above.

"he has repeatedly advocated for them back in G7,"

He also invited Australia, South Korea, and India. His rationale for inviting Russia is that Russia is involved in a lot of the issues discussed at G7. Entirely reasonable.

"he came back from one meeting w/ Putin touting Putin's idea of them joining our cyber security team,"

More stuff about what Trump said instead of what Trump did.

"and from another touting Putin's idea of his investigators joining ours on election interference (then they get to learn all about our sources/methods),"

More stuff about what Trump said instead of what Trump did.

"he called Russian bounties story a hoax & never has cared about it,"

You mean the unproven bounties story that got leaked right before the House Armed Services Committee voted on a bill making troop removal from Afghanistan more difficult? The one Liz Cheney championed and all the Democrats supported after the leak? You believe that story?

"repeatedly has attack NATO & wouldn't commit to mutual defense pledge..."

Wow, I'm surprised you didn't mention abandoning the Kurds. NATO should be repeatedly attacked. Turkey is a NATO member. Greece is a NATO member. They could be on the verge of war with each other. Turkey is also responsible for Azerbaijan's war on Armenia (and denies the Armenian Genocide) and is heavily involved in civil wars in Libya and Syria. Why should we have a mutual defense pledge with such an evil country?

"now you go"

-withdrawal or threatened to withdraw from treaties including START (dumb)
-continued Obama's support for Saudi Barbaria's war cimes in Yemen (should be impeached for)
-illegally bombed Syria twice (should be impeached for)
-murdered Qasem Soleimani in Iraq (should be impeached for)
-killed hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-13/u-s-strikes-said-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria should be impeached for)
-provided heavy weapons to Ukraine (as noted above, Obama refused to do this)
-trying to bully Germany about the Nord Stream pipeline

There are other defense spending and energy policies but those are less directly anti-Russia.

I'm not even opposed to saying Trump is subservient to a foreign power. There are at least two clear options. Russia ain't one of em.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 14:59:17
on any sanctions, show me ONE time Trump has suggested imposing them or even supporting them (he -loves- spewing words, should be easy... a time where it's clear it's his words & opinion, not from one of his monotone struggling teleprompter reads... not sure even that exists though)

on military action, Trump turned over all decisions to the military saying do whatever to win... the only one i'd give Trump any 'credit' for being involved in is bombing Syria & that was because Ivanka saw injured children on TV & pleaded w/ daddy

any of the other few things that may seem against what Russia wants is just because he has some other motive (that is probably stupid)

he reflexively defends Russia on all issues (w/ a 100% record of it), which makes no sense... no one else gets that deference (except Israel... & Saudis...)

Israel seems to be about having people cheer for him, Saudis probably from all the money he gets from them... but why Russia?
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:11:55
So I show you all of the anti-Russia actions Trump has taken and you pretend they don't matter because... he said stuff. Lulz. I hope you're just trolling and not actually this brainwashed.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 16:26:54
which of them are you thinking Trump had a role in? (beyond using his marker on a piece of paper they told him to sign)

when has he mentioned Yemen?

-i- don't even know how that assassination mattered to Russia

accidentally killing Russians in Syria strikes he wouldn't know about doesn't count for two reasons

on weapons to Ukraine... -maybe- he understood that one... him connecting the dots that it would be used for defense against Russia is not a given & him knowing what he was signing is not a given & i don't recall him ever advocating or talking about it (other than he now uses it as an example to pretend he's tough on Russia after his defenders have noted it)

and the pipeline attacks are to insult Merkel/Germany, not attack Russia... he has petty feuds w/ lots of our traditional allies

& there is NOTHING on sanctions as i've noted, he's NEVER been for them, & has been against them


i'm not saying he consults Russia on all decisions, just he is ALWAYS on their side when they are clearly the topic... (he's an uninformed moron, so some issue in some other country isn't going to count)
Pillz
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:30:56
Lmao
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:38:12
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 16:26:54
"-i- don't even know how that assassination mattered to Russia"

Lulz. I guess Maddow Don Lemonparty were more focused on Michael Cohen's fake news cell ping in Prague than the illegal killing of the person most responsible for the defeat of ISIS.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 16:47:30
so Russia was devastated by the loss of that guy? (which led to Iran bombing our base & vowing additional retaliation)

i confess, i missed it & guarantee Trump wouldn't know shit about it either
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 16:50:44
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 16:47:30
"so Russia was devastated by the loss of that guy? (which led to Iran bombing our base & vowing additional retaliation)"

Yes. Unlike your beloved CIA and State Dept officials, the Russians and Iranians hate ISIS.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 16:59:46
...it also made Iraq more annoyed w/ our presence

i'm unconvinced Putin is upset about the consequences

although i'm certain Trump wasn't considering Russia on that issue, so irrelevant no matter what

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are you actually denying Trump has shown a weird affinity for Russia / Putin?

i mean it's self-evident
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 17:27:24
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 16:59:46
"are you actually denying Trump has shown a weird affinity for Russia / Putin?

i mean it's self-evident"

He's said things that aren't Russophobic. He's suggested that there are issues where the US and Russia could work together. That's entirely reasonable. Crushing ISIS and Al Qaeda are examples. But your intelligence community heroes don't want to do that.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 17:38:57
he is reflexively defensive on all things Russia... like on poisonings, or bounties (which have zero reflection on himself unlike election interference)... something he would NOT be to any neutral or unfriendly (to him personally)

...& yes, i focus on what Trump says, not does as 'saying' is Trump's only role... he doesn't -do- anything that he doesn't talk about, & doesn't -do- much at all

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if there was a story about a world leader being caught smoking crack w/ a hooker, for which leader would he be least likely to tweet the story:

Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, Putin?

it's Putin (& w/ a 0% chance of him tweeting it)
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 17:43:01
You should seek professional help. Lulz@ignoring everything Trump has done (foolishly) against Russia and coming up with a hypothetical about which leaders Trump would tweet about if they were caught with hookers. Just another normal day in a TDS brain.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 17:48:16
from Trump press briefing (he eventually says some semi-relevant shit to the questions... suffer through the rest, as it proves the point)

"
Q: Thanks, Mr. President. Germany has said that Alexei Navalny, the Russian opposition leader, was poisoned. What do you think should be done to Russia about that? And what is your message to Russia about that? And how should the international community and the United States respond?

THE 'PRESIDENT': Well, I think we have to look at it very seriously if that’s the case, and I think we will. There’s nobody been tougher on Russia than I have. We get along. I get along with almost all countries.

I get along with North Korea. Remember? We were supposed to be going to war with North Korea. If Hillary got elected, you’d be at war right now with North Korea. That would be a very messy war, a very bad war. Many millions of people would be killed. In the meantime, we’ve gotten along with them. We didn’t get to war. Everyone said that if I was elected, I’d be at war in one week; it’s been just the opposite.

We’re doing very well in Afghanistan, bringing the troops down — very low level — and other things are happening very interestingly. We have a great peace deal going on in the Middle East, actually, with UAE and Israel. And that’s been received like, probably, very few things that many people have done. It’s been very well-received. And we’ll be having other countries announcing soon; they’re joining that, and you’re going to have a lot of countries in that. A lot of countries are saying, “Hey, why didn’t you bring us in right from the beginning?” They would have loved to have been there, but they want to — they want to be in.

So, we’re doing a lot of things. I think that I was the one that alerted the United States and the world: Nord Stream 2. I said, “Why is Germany spending billions and billions of dollars to Russia to get their energy from Russia, and then we’re supposed to protect Germany from Russia? What’s that all about?” And the sanctions and everything else.

At the same time, with Russia, we’re right now negotiating a nuclear nonproliferation treaty, which is very important. It’s a very important thing. To me, it’s the most important thing. Some people say “global warming;” I don’t. I say this is far more important. And we are the biggest; they are the second biggest, nuclear-wise. China is third. They’re actually a distant third, but they’re building pretty rapidly. And at some point, we’ll include China into those talks, but we’re doing very well with Russia on nuclear nonproliferation.

So I don’t know exactly what happened. I think it’s — it’s tragic. It’s terrible. It shouldn’t happen. We haven’t had any proof yet, but I will take a look.


Q: Do you doubt it?

THE 'PRESIDENT': It is interesting that everybody is always mentioning Russia. And I don’t mind you mentioning Russia, but I think probably China, at this point, is a nation that you should be talking about much more so than Russia because the things that China is doing are far worse, if you take a look at what’s happening with the world.

Look at what happened with the China virus. Look at what they did by not keeping that within the confines of China. They should have kept it in the confines of China. Look what they’ve done to 188 countries all over the world. But you never ask about China; you’re always asking about Russia.

So I would be very angry if that’s the case, and we’ll take a look at the — at the numbers and the documents, because we’re going to be sent a lot of documents over the next few days.
"

from official transcript:
http://www...ess-briefing-september-4-2020/

...said like someone still trying to be best friends w/ Putin
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 17:51:47
"ignoring everything Trump has done (foolishly) against Russia"

what are you giving him credit for?

just copy/paste your list again if you want (& really believe he was involved in those things plus aware that Russia cared)
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 18:12:22
RE: tw@Fri Oct 16 17:48:16

Interesting response from Trump. The reporter states that Germany said Navalny was poisoned and asks what should be done to Russia. Trump brings up Nord Stream 2. A good point. If the Germans are so convinced that Putin poisoned Navalny, shouldn't they be imposing sanctions and canceling the Nord Stream 2 project (which is much more significant than any of Trump's dealings with Putin)? Using tw's logic, Putin must have something on Merkel.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 18:27:46
Nordstream 2 effectivley doubles fuel sales from Russia with love, to Germany from.what I understand.

Blocking that will do more than all these other sanctions. People seem to forget Russia is a petrol state,the majority of Russian income comes from fuel sales ( oil/NG) something like 55% of government budgets and 70% of exports.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 18:29:16
One could argue that it could make Russia more dependant on Germany though giving them.more leverage.

Different angles I guess.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 18:34:53
the guy fled to Germany & Germany confirmed he was poisoned by typical Russian poisons (& obviously Russia would be a suspect regardless)

...that's why Germany / Russia in that question


& Merkel -has- accused Russia & condemned them & is demanding shit unlike Trump who hasn't said a word
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 18:39:52
tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Oct 16 18:34:53
"& Merkel -has- accused Russia & condemned them & is demanding shit unlike Trump who hasn't said a word"

She's saying one thing and doing another. Nord Stream 2 is a bigger deal than a few harsh words. What does Putin have on Merkel?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 19:01:51
well maybe Daemon will wander in, i know nothing of Germany's politics


if you don't like my crack whore example, if it was Merkel/Macron/Trudeau credibly accused of poisoning a political opponent do you think Trump would be quiet about it or reluctant to believe it in the face of strong evidence?

he in fact would require no evidence for many people...

as in tweeting out the theory that maybe Obama/Biden killed off SEAL Team 6 to hide that they didn't really kill Bin Laden (btw, a SEAL from the raid said the SEALS who died in that helicopter crash weren't even the same SEALS from the mission... but maybe he's in on it...)

hmm... just noticed Obama/Biden has lots of letters in common w/ Osama Bin Laden... i wonder why that hasn't come up (or maybe it has)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Oct 16 19:27:46
lol

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 23:41:33
Trump's former lawyer/criminal/goon claims Trump's current lawyer/likely-criminal/goon is drunk all the time
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1317233911349481473
obaminated
Member
Sat Oct 17 00:10:58
Lol, rudy destroyed the mafia so lets destroy him because he doesnt agree with him. You are trash.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 17 00:26:39
yeah... go see Trump's comments about every person or business he ever felt crossed him

also, distributing embarrassing photos of Hunter Biden (which serve no public interest) after mysteriously acquiring his personal files makes him trash (as well as many other things he's done)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 17 01:33:40
has there been any indication of files besides emails & photos on the laptop?

sounds more & more like a hack job to me...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 18 13:09:06
Maria Bartiromo sure likes saying 'child pornography':
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1317849887438966784
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