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Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 08:55:03
I see all of these CNN articles going on about how Trump wouldnt denounce Qannon.

Which basically what he said was that he didn't know all the details about them, he has heard they ate anti pedophile, and he is also anti pedophile.

So my question is what is the acrual harm? Is this any crazier than most major religions? Is. This any crazier than the Clintons thinking everyone is a Russian asset or that there is a vast conspiracy out to get them?
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 08:59:33
IDK about the Satan worshiping shit, but we do know that many in power have pedophile/ near pedophile ties.

We know this people have sex with pig heads nd pray to owls.

So there is a bunch of wierd shit going with world leaders and media people. None of these things are even disputed.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Oct 16 09:28:24
Hi Retard Rod 2.0, it's good see you made it through another day!
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 09:36:57
http://www...qanon-violence-crimes-timeline

So I found something linking it to some terrorism. Apparently they did something to Trudeau too.Havnt rewd it yet.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 09:37:49
Woo, Werent you the one defending " cuties" who has now been charged in court ( not convicted) as kiddie porn?
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 16 09:48:44
Some guy shot up a pizza place several years ago, so now we need to ban all commentary that's critical of the global elite.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:17:53
QAnon followers have been arrested for everything from murder and kidnapping to plotting the assassination of political figures. They were, of course, likely mentally ill to begin with, making them susceptible to the clear bullshit they were being fed.

In many ways, QAnon is a politically active extension of the evangelical Christian end of times movement under the guise of wanting to “save the children”. They are outwardly anti-science. One of the most popular leaders on social media is a guy who claims he can heal via touch and prayer. Another peddles miracle solutions. I can’t say enough horrible shit about these dangerous fucks. There’s a reason Trump won’t say anything bad about them - they literally worship him as a God-anointed savior that will defeat the satanic cabal and usher in a “Great Awakening” where the world will submit to the rule of the Evangelical Christian God.
Rugian
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:21:49
"QAnon followers have been arrested for everything from murder"

I looked this up and it's true, there was a case of murder. The victim was a New York mob boss.

My heart is fucking bleeding over that one.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:24:27
phish , I guess a lot of my questioning comes from admitted ignorance about the details.

how and where do these people get this info? all I know about them really is they think global elites are pesos and Trump is fighting them. Thats pretty vague.

The Satan worshiping bit just seems silly Like how in the 80s people blamed rock music and devil worshiping for everything.

It just all seems so vague.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:30:26
"Woo, Werent you the one defending " cuties" who has now been charged in court ( not convicted) as kiddie porn?"

Nope. I know that's what you believe, but you're a delusional retard with the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:43:34
“ I looked this up and it's true, there was a case of murder. The victim was a New York mob boss.

My heart is fucking bleeding over that one.”

- Also Buckey Wolfe, who in 2019 murdered his brother by “jamming the tang end of a four-foot long sharpened metal-bladed sword-like instrument completely through the victim’s head and killing him“. Part of his insanity defense included showing the jury his QAnon related social media posts.
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:46:52
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member Fri Oct 16 10:43:34
"- Also Buckey Wolfe, who in 2019 murdered his brother by “jamming the tang end of a four-foot long sharpened metal-bladed sword-like instrument completely through the victim’s head and killing him“. Part of his insanity defense included showing the jury his QAnon related social media posts."

If you're willing to accept a connection this tenuous as evidence that QAnon is a threat, do you support applying the same standard to BLM? That movement has been tied to considerable misinformation, a lot more violence, and a lot more murders than QAnon.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:51:02
Rugian, If that's true doesnt it seem more likley it was a mob hit?

Is that the only case of murder linked to Q?

This whole thing started from 4chan which leads.me to beleive its the ultimate troll, but a relativley harmless one.

From what Ive seen most of the " lunks to Qannon" are based on someone posting " save the children". Which is as odd to me as Hawaiian shirts being racist... apparently myndad has been racist since the 80s along with magnum PI....

The idea that Hawaiin shirts are racist seems as ludicrous as this Qannon shit.

I get that there are factual hints in these.

Like some racist people wear Hawaiin shirts. Or actual sex slaves exist, the guy from thatn60s show has an entire organization about it.

Lets look at the Whitney plot, the one guy was known to have an Anarchist flag. But you know what? so do millions of young people who may also have Che shirt, it generally means nothing more than they thought it looked cool.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:55:18
Woo, The thread is archived somewhere. At the very least attacked me for calling it kiddie porn IIRC. Even though now it is literally in court for being kiddie porn by legal definitions.

renzo, In defense of Phish he didnt say BLM wasnt a threat. Not has he concretely said that Q was responsible for these only that people who have been loosely associated with supporting it.

Which I did come out and ask.for info abput whether or not the group/idea is actually a threat /harm.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 10:57:59
Whitney plot= Whitmer*
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:01:05
"At the very least attacked me for calling it kiddie porn IIRC."

As usual, you don't recall correctly. Feel free to dig it up if you want. I attacked your position that its intent was to normalize pedophilia, which is just as retarded now as it was then.

Let's not forget that I never offered any support for the movie, going so far as to refusing to even follow your links to images/videos from it. And let's also remember that only one of us is a felon who, on this very board, has admitted to illegally possessing firearms. And this same person posted images and links to what is now in court as child pornography.

lulz
Paramount
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:03:57
If Qanon and Trump both are anti-pedophiles then I don’t see any problems that Trump sides with them.

But, Trump has a connection to a pedo-network through his friend Epstein. So I don’t know... is he really an anti-pedo?
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:12:34
Pedowoo, delusional as ever.

Back to the threat Qannon poses, its threat doesnt seem to be anymore than the series Dexter ( which is great show)

As that show has also been used as part of an insanity defense.But let's be frank, crazy people will flock to shit that excuses their delusions.

http://www...767-b081-3a0dd8adb5f7.amp.html
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:16:21
habebe
Member Fri Oct 16 10:51:02
"Lets look at the Whitney plot, the one guy was known to have an Anarchist flag. But you know what? so do millions of young people who may also have Che shirt, it generally means nothing more than they thought it looked cool."

The Whitmer plot was just the latest in a long line of FBI entrapment schemes. None of those retarded hillbillies was going to do shit until the FBI sent in the undercovers and informants to push them to do it. They also do this with Muslims all the time.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:20:54
Yes, delusional retards like you, especially with reading comprehensions around the 2nd grade level, often have trouble accepting facts.

I "seen" you do this many times before.

lmfao
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:44:49
Renzo, I could see that. Could you imagine if people took everything we say on these boards serious? Hahahaha
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 11:56:58
The over/under on the number of feds posting on this board is 1.5.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:02:02
They already nabbed Aeros, after all.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:06:00
Maybe that's what happened to RoB. Or he died of watwr toxicity.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:19:39
"how and where do these people get this info? all I know about them really is they think global elites are pesos and Trump is fighting them. Thats pretty vague."

- Well the first source of information comes from Q. "Q" is an anonymous person or persons who started posting on 4chan back in 2017. Q claims to be an official somewhat close to Trump who has high security clearance (possibly military). "Q Drops" are whenever Q posts. Those drops are then picked apart by QAnon who look for cryptic messages, symbolism, etc. in whatever is written, leading to some seriously far fetched insane looking shit. For instance, they will match up the time stamps of a Q post 2 years ago with a tweet from Trump yesterday. If there is a matching word or words in the tweet, it is of some sort of significance. They are big on the notion that "future proves past", which means anything Q posts that has not come to fruition, eventually will in the future and all will be proved correct in the future. This is significant, as Q's first posts directly state something would happen at a particular time that didn't happen at all. Instead of letting the LARP die, QAnon followers doubled down. Q has since stopped making such detailed prophetic statements.

QAnon claims that "Q" encourages them to "think for themselves" and "do their own research". They say this to avoid looking like a cult. In reality, what this means is seeking out information from alternate news sources (mainstream news to them is all fake), memes, message boards, certain social media personalities, but especially Youtube videos produced by other QAnons. Imagine coming here to UP for your daily unbiased source of news. This is what QAnon believes "do your own research" means. This has led to some seriously whacky shit - making QAnon a bit of an umbrella for other conspiracies. For instance, many in QAnon believe JFK Jr. is still alive and working with President Trump. Many believe that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have both already been executed in gitmo and what we see now are clones. Mind control and spreading covid-19 through 5G is another big one.


"The Satan worshiping bit just seems silly Like how in the 80s people blamed rock music and devil worshiping for everything."

- It very much has similarities to the Satanic Panic of the 80s, in which we actually saw people arrested and convicted of pedophilia, child molestation, etc. only to have those charges overturned years later once the panic subsided and rational thought returned.

The satan worship may seem silly, but it's a major tenant of QAnon mythos. They believe that there is a global cabal of satanic pedophiles who operate sex-trafficking rings. President Trump is the only one standing in their way, so naturally, anyone who opposes Trump is siding with evil. Now, some of these children are abducted, but most are actually bred underground and never see the light of day. These are the "mole children". They are bred for one purpose - to be raped and tortured in a satanic ritual before the god Moloch, in which they then extract the chemical substance adrenochrome, via the blood of the child. This supposedly gets them high and also reduces the ageing process. There is, of course, no science behind any of this, but hey...that's QAnon. So yea - it seems very silly and childish, but you need to understand that these are ADULTS who believe this election cycle is the literal choice between good and evil. If Trump loses, the world will fall to satan and the end of times will be ushered in. If he wins, evil will be erradicated on earth and we will all submit to the glory of the Evangelical Christian God and the God-emperor himself, Donald J Trump.

For me, the danger isn't really something I see as obvious as violence. For me, the real crime of QAnon is their co-opting of the "Save the Children" movement and their using of actual child abuse to push their own cultish political narrative. Does child sex-trafficking exist? Absolutely. Does pedophilia exist? Absolutely. But what QAnon does is dangerously paint a narrative that is contrary to reality. Instead of recognizing the very disturbing fact that statistically your child is much more likely to be sexually abused by a member of your own trusted circle of friends/family, they focus on a global elite of satan-worshippers who will kidnap them ala "Taken" with Liam Neeson. Furthermore, actual organizations who are dedicated to ending child trafficking and/or helping abused children have condemned QAnon. Here's one example: You know how you will be on a site like ebay, amazon, etc. and find a product listed at far more than it's worth? Like a pillow that is normally $30 is listed at $10,000? This is usually due to the stocking algorithms used by the companies. But not so for QAnon. They believe that furniture on Wayfair.com listed like that is not actually furniture, but rather, a child for sale as part of the global pedo ring. If you have the super secret code that only a pedophile would know, you can purchase that item. Now, this seems dumb and silly, but when this conspiracy hit it's peek, actual missing children organizations were inundated with calls from QAnons and therefore incapable of giving the necessary attention to ACTUAL MISSING CHILDREN CASES.

I can honestly go on about this for hours. I've followed QAnon for over a year now and haven't even scratched the surface. Feel free to ask me anything on the subject...I'll try my best to answer or point you in the right direction.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:21:11
"The Whitmer plot was just the latest in a long line of FBI entrapment schemes. None of those retarded hillbillies was going to do shit until the FBI sent in the undercovers and informants to push them to do it. They also do this with Muslims all the time."

Didn't two of those hillbillies arm themselves and take over the state capitol building?
renzo marQuez
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:36:35
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member Fri Oct 16 12:21:11
"Didn't two of those hillbillies arm themselves and take over the state capitol building?"

I doubt it. But if they did, the feds were probably involved in that as well.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 16 12:38:26
QAnon is NOT battling against pedophilia... (as Trump claimed)

they just accuse people of being pedophiles based on nothing, that's not battling against it

and Trump has been asked about them over a period of months, so him still not knowing anything about them (according to him) is ridiculous... take 5 minutes & learn something for once in your life

although he probably did ask someone, and just can't denounce them as they like him... a standard pattern to his mental illness
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 12:41:52
"Hi Retard Rod 2.0, it's good see you made it through another day!"

Breathing through the nose is highly overrated!

habebe
Oh god. The reason we are not debating if the demcratic elites are all pedophiles is that it is ludicrous, not that it is uncontestable.

For sexualizing minors. See Trump.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 12:50:56
Oh - forgot one of my favorite QAnon delusions.

Many believe Trump will cause a "red tsunami" and take all 50 states.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 13:35:16
Jergul, What exactly are you responding to? I never claimed that.
jergul
large member
Fri Oct 16 14:22:56
"None of these things are even disputed. "
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 14:32:58
Jergul, Well many elites DO a worship a giant owl, and. Cameron wasnt the inly one apparently having sexual relations with dead pigs.

We are also unundated with celebrity pedophile/ sexually deviant cases.

These things are bot disputed.

I agree that the most succsessful conspiracy theories have hints of truth to them and take those truths and run with them.
habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 18:55:12
phish, I seen some also beleive that Merkel is Hitler's neice. Do you know if that's part of the German branch or a widespread beleif in the group
I ask because I seen Daemon post.abput Qannon spreading to Germany.
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Fri Oct 16 20:42:16
This is true. They believe Hitler's sperm was cryo frozen and Merkel is related in such a way that ties the bloodline of Hitler with that of the Vatican/Catholic Church.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 20:44:58
But is that more a German-qanon thing or all of them?

Thats actually a cool story, like they should.make a movie or tv series out of this.

I feel the dame way about Hindu religuous texts and their flying chariots shooting lasers.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 20:56:49
Also what's your thoughts on how many actually follow these beleifs like strictly and bow many ofnthese millions pick and xhoose different aspects they tend to focus on?
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 21:03:34
http://www...anon-is-a-nazi-cult-rebranded/

This site claims its Nazism ( everyone is a Nazi these days)

Bit in all fairness one could easily make the same claims about Christianity using almost all the same criterea.
Habebe
Member
Fri Oct 16 21:08:21
Christianity has

A messiah sent by God

Chosen people

Battles Satan who is the cause for all evil.

Etc.
Y2A
Member
Fri Oct 16 21:16:05
http://www...sentenced-to-4-years-in-prison

'Pizzagate' Gunman Sentenced To 4 Years In Prison
June 22, 20172:13 PM ET
Merrit Kennedy

A North Carolina man who fired an AR-15 rifle inside a pizza restaurant in Washington, D.C., last year as he was "investigating" a baseless conspiracy theory has been sentenced to four years in prison.

Edgar Maddison Welch pleaded guilty in March to federal charges of assault with a dangerous weapon and transporting a firearm over state lines. The case is seen as a clear example of the potential real-world consequences of fake news stories.

During the sentencing hearing Thursday, U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson stressed that Welch's actions "literally left psychological wreckage," The Associated Press reported.

The unfounded "Pizzagate" Internet rumor at the center of this case accused the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria of being the home of a Satanic child sex abuse ring involving top Democrats such as Hillary Clinton. "Speculation and fabrications tied to the bizarre conspiracy theory have been relentlessly circulated by politically motivated fringe sites," as The Two-Way has reported.

Welch heard about the conspiracy theory last December and spent three days reading about it and watching videos, according to a statement that was part of his plea agreement. He then decided to go investigate the matter himself.

"The defendant then took it upon himself to act in what he believed would be a violent confrontation at the restaurant," the statement reads. Welch unsuccessfully attempted to try to persuade friends to join him. He said he believed it would involve "sacraficing [sic] the lives of a few for the lives of many," according to court documents.

Welch then drove to Washington and entered Comet Ping Pong, where numerous children were present. He was brandishing the 3-foot-long rifle and had a loaded revolver in a holster on his hip. Employees and clients fled the pizzeria while Welch looked around the restaurant and moved furniture.

He terrified an employee who inadvertently returned to the restaurant during his "investigation," briefly pointing a gun at him before the employee ran for his life. Welch also shot through the lock of a closet, damaging a computer. Nobody was injured, and he ultimately surrendered to the police.

In court documents, prosecutors said they were seeking a sentence of four and a half years, while Welch's defense had requested a sentence of one and a half years.

In a letter to the court, Welch stated that he was "truly sorry for endangering the safety of any and all bystanders who were present that day." He claimed that he "came to D.C. with the intent of helping people."

Comet Ping Pong advertises itself as a "hipster-heavy pizza parlor" that features "table tennis galore." Its owner, James Alefantis, told NPR in December that the conspiracy theory has been difficult for the restaurant, calling it "an insanely complicated, made-up, fictional lie-based story" and a "coordinated political attack."
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Sat Oct 17 02:22:09
“But is that more a German-qanon thing or all of them?”
- This is definitely not a theory just relegated to Germany. I imagine it’s pretty “universal” in that sense

“Thats actually a cool story, like they should.make a movie or tv series out of this.“
- Interesting that you mention this, because it’s another part of QAnon lore. So according to Q, because Trump is in offfice and the military supports him, the good guys have taken control and the battle already won. So what is actually happening is that people are slowly waking up - it can’t all happen at once because people can’t handle it - and once you “wake up” you just sit back and watch it all unfold like a giant real life movie. So this would be like - a movie inside your proposed movie. :)

“Also what's your thoughts on how many actually follow these beleifs like strictly and bow many ofnthese millions pick and xhoose different aspects they tend to focus on?”

That really difficult to say due to the fact that it’s kind of become a big tent for other smaller pre-existing conspiracy theories. You’ve got 9/11 truthers mixed in there with star children and people who believe Trump is a time traveler. Because of this, you have some infighting and disagreements. Interestingly, Q has never once used the word adrenochrome in a QDrop, yet adrenochrome has become a major part of the QAnon mythos - a key part of the ”Save the Children” movement and a deeper reasoning for the ritualistic sacrifice to Moloch (which is really a hail back to anti-Semitic blood libel of the past.)

For the most part though, I’d say QAnon is comprised of about 40% hardcore conspiracists who believe the core aspects are true. 5% of that 40% are world builders - the influential members who “decode”, make content, or are popular on social media. Then you’ve got about 5% grifters - people using QAnon to get famous...using their hashtags to get likes and whatnot on social media. The other 55% either believe only certain parts of it or are too unfamiliar with how deep things actually go. I imagine probably 20% of those who say they are QAnon just love Trump, hate liberals, and want to “save the children”
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