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Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 25 15:34:06
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to @GenFlynn and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!
Pillz
Member
Wed Nov 25 15:38:41
Who else is he gonna pardon
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 25 15:42:36
3 Turkeys so far this festive season. And counting.
Rugian
Member
Wed Nov 25 16:36:16
Poor TW's family is definitely going to be hearing about this over dinner tomorrow.
habebe
Member
Wed Nov 25 17:03:19
Ive postponed Thanksgiving till Sunday...krept up too fast this year....But we're havingnturkey meatball subs tommorow.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 25 21:27:26
how does this relate to me?
Dukhat
Member
Wed Nov 25 22:02:12
Cuckservatives just want to own the libs. It distracts them from Republicans stealing from them and their children which they don't support but are too cucked to do anything about.
Habebe
Member
Wed Nov 25 22:14:48
^Speaks from personal experience.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 25 22:45:36
it makes no sense though... how am i owned?

it's not like they proved his innocence, it's actually admitting his guilt (although he already pleaded guilty twice as well)

so Trump pardoned another of his criminal associates... no one is surprised
Forwyn
Member
Thu Nov 26 00:59:09
Triggered

I bet the faggot judge is triggered too

Also lulz @ "guilt"
habebe
Member
Thu Nov 26 01:03:09
This doesn't pwn TW. If anything this is just one posts worth of info for his thread series.

I will argue that pardons do not neccesarily admit guilt.But to be fair I dont really care enough to argue it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 26 01:57:26
"
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that:

• A pardoned person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings, otherwise the pardon must be disregarded by the court.

• To do this, the pardoned person must accept the pardon. If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon its subject.

• A pardon carries an "imputation of guilt", and accepting a pardon is "an admission of guilt".
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

(also pleading guilty makes you look guilty)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 26 02:10:11
also, Susan B. Anthony didn't want a pardon as it was an admission of guilt... then Trump forced one upon her corpse to pander to women
Habebe
Member
Thu Nov 26 02:45:52
I unserstand that there is an argument for that theory. But it is still a debatable issue.

Whether accepting a pardon is inherently an admission of guilt is still debated by many law historians.[22] According to Associate Justice Joseph McKenna, writing the majority opinion in the U.S. Supreme Court case Burdick v. United States, a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it."[23] Also, the federal courts have yet to make it clear how this logic applies to persons who are deceased (such as Henry Ossian Flipper, who was pardoned by Bill Clinton), those who are relieved from penalties as a result of general amnesties, and those whose punishments are relieved via a commutation of sentence (which cannot be rejected in any sense of the language).[24] Brian Kalt, a law professor at Michigan State University, notes that presidents sometimes (albeit rarely) grant a pardon to someone on the basis that the person is innocent. If a president thinks an individual is innocent and issues a pardon, then accepting a pardon would not mean the individual is guilty.[22]

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I'm ok with us just having different opinions on this as many do. Ot really a topic of much interest.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Nov 26 10:28:07
Not everyone wants a court case hanging over their while a faggot judge runs a phantom trial
Forwyn
Member
Thu Nov 26 10:28:18
head*
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Nov 26 10:43:25
Turkish agent who got paid by erdogan to push ottoman agenda in america and lied trying to keep it a secret, gets a pardon.
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