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Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 26 18:24:46
No matter what the left does, white and asian students continue to outperform hispanics and negroes.

The more shit the left throws at this.. with the same results... the more certain that genetics is the underlying factor.

http://www...pend-advanced-learning-classes

Superintendent Brenda Cassellius recommended the one-year hiatus for the program, known as Advanced Work Classes, saying the district would not proceed with the program for new students next year.

"There's been a lot of inequities that have been brought to the light in the pandemic that we have to address," Cassellius told GBH News. "There's a lot of work we have to do in the district to be antiracist and have policies where all of our students have a fair shot at an equitable and excellent education."


A district analysis of the program found that more than 70 percent of students enrolled in the program were white and Asian, even though nearly 80 percent of all Boston public school students are Hispanic and Black.
kargen
Member
Fri Feb 26 18:52:42
I'm going to argue nurture instead of nature on this one. When I first moved to Dallas I had an apartment in kind of an iffy neighborhood. The neighborhood was a mix of black/Hispanic/Korean with a smattering of white people.
On the days I didn't have a shoot scheduled I would sit out on the balcony in the afternoon. Every day after school the Korean children I could see would be sitting at a table doing homework while their mother watched. The other kids were out playing. If parents think education isn't important the kids are going to think the same thing.
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 19:02:35
I would lean towards culture playing an exceptional role.
sam adams
Member
Fri Feb 26 21:28:31
If it was cultural, it could be changed.

Its not changing.
Paramount
Member
Sat Feb 27 01:14:54
” Every day after school the Korean children I could see would be sitting at a table doing homework while their mother watched. The other kids were out playing”

It is important for children to play with their friends too. Children needs to learn social skills.

So maybe... Do your homework first. Then go out and play.
kargen
Member
Sat Feb 27 02:15:16
I agree social time with peers at that age is very important. Kind of funny on weekends when I was sitting on my balcony sipping on a few beers I could hear the kids below me teaching each other curse words in the different languages.
Paramount
Member
Sat Feb 27 03:07:28
I guess the children are just mimicing what they have heard from their parents. Anyhow, the children has got to prepare for a life out there, they must be hardened and learn to curse all the idiots that they are going to meet in their lives.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 27 03:31:59
Children mimic their parents when they are young. Then you are no longer cool and they mimic their peers, those peers would be part of what we call ”culture”. Whatever remains in the children that is their parents, is primarily from genes.

Ask yourself why do some parents value education more than others? And if the question is because their parents didn’t teach then, keep asking the same question about their parents. These values only exist in brains and different brains values different things. Brains are not blank sheets, anyone who has had more than 1 child has observed this. They come out and have a personality from day 1.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Feb 27 04:37:33
On an opposite note, spending time with "gifted" asians is grating. Some are smart. Some, probably most in my opinion, are just drones and study all day. Not fun to be around or compete with.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 27 08:08:57
That would be most people with high scholastic achievement (which is being used as proxy for ”gifted”), they are good at studying. From my experience people the modern school system was designed for, around average intelligence (not retarded), but high conscientiousness. It doesn’t scale transfer to a lot of occupations.
patom
Member
Sat Feb 27 08:33:57
Two of the smartest people or should I say more creative people I know are illiterate. They can visualize in their minds what they want and just go and build it. Both are damned good carpenters or where, in that they have both retired. But I know people with degrees that are baffled doing some of the most basic tasks. Yet one of these guys wanted book shelves for his kids in his basement rec room. He took a ride to a furniture store and looked at some book cases for about 15 min. took some measurements. On his way home he stopped at a machine shop and went through their discarded pallet pile and picked out hard wood that he needed. 2 weeks later I stopped by and he had built 4 bookcases. All in his spare time.
He was drawing on the floor with chalk and I asked what he was doing and he said he thought he'd build a bar. The next week it was built and stocked and looked better than anything you could buy in a furniture store. I'm still in awe of his vision.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 09:44:11
Well, stereotypes usually comw from somewhere.Look at E. Asian stereotypes.Good at math, poor social skills.

Ive also heard a regular complaint from Asians that they are taught mathematics in such a way that they are good on paper but less practical use.
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