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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 31 18:01:19
so Matt Gaetz, a piece of shit Florida congressman famous only for being a loyal Trump capo, is being investigated for sex trafficking related to a 17-yr-old (girl?*)... Gaetz denies wrong-doing & claims being extorted (...or blackmailed because he's guilty)

anyway... this article seems to sum up a lot of the current news on the weird ass story:

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The scandal swirling around Rep. Matt Gaetz took a stunning turn Wednesday with a report that a former Air Force intelligence official and a Florida lawyer tried to get the congressman’s dad to cough up $25 million that would be used to free American Bob Levinson from Iranian custody—and somehow release Gaetz from a federal sex-crimes investigation.

One odd fact among many: Levinson was declared dead last year.

The Washington Examiner obtained a document that was allegedly presented to Don Gaetz by the ex-military official, Bob Kent, that laid out the purported scheme. The site also obtained an email sent to Don Gaetz’s lawyer by federal prosecutors that suggests they were looking into whether a crime was under way.

The document dubbed “Project Homecoming” stipulated that Gaetz would deposit money for Levinson’s ransom in an account connected to the firm of Florida lawyer David McGee, who has represented the Levinson family for years.

McGee told The Daily Beast on Tuesday night, before the documents came to light, that claims of extortion were bogus and that Gaetz was trying to deflect from his own legal troubles. McGee did not respond to calls on Wednesday and Kent could not be reached for comment.

The bizarre chain of events began unraveling on Tuesday night with a report in The New York Times that federal prosecutors were investigating whether Gaetz (R-FL) had a relationship with a 17-year-old girl and paid for her to travel—which could amount to sex trafficking. Prosecutors did not confirm or deny the Times report.

Gaetz quickly hit back, saying cryptically that the allegation was part of a plan to extort $25 million from his family. In an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s Fox show on Tuesday night, Gaetz named McGee as one of the parties in the scheme.

Then on Wednesday afternoon, Don Gaetz, a former Florida state senator worth hundreds of millions of dollars, told Politico that he wore a wire to a meeting with McGee and was supposed to wear one to an upcoming meeting with another person involved in the scheme, Stephen Alford—a convicted fraudster with ties to McGee.

The details of the scheme did not emerge until later Wednesday when Don Gaetz release the documents to the Examiner.

The elder Gaetz said that he got a text message on March 16 from Kent, who has claimed he put together a mission to rescue Levinson, a retired FBI agent, from Iran in 2018 that was foiled by the U.S. government.

“I would like to talk with you immediately about the current federal investigation, and the indictment that is about to filed against your son,” the message read.

“I have a plan that can make his future legal and political problems go away.”

The message went on to say that he had located Levinson in Iran and had two proof-of-life videos. If Don Gaetz would help secure Levinson’s release, the message said, his son would get credit and a presidential pardon.

The next day, according to Don Gaetz, he met with Kent and was given the “Project Homecoming” document, which opened with a description of the supposed FBI investigation of Matt Gaetz, referencing alleged photographs of the congressman and an unnamed election official in a “sexual orgy with underage prostitutes.”

The three-page letter, according to the Examiner, went on to say—with no corroboration—that a grand jury had been impaneled to hear evidence against Gaetz and others.

“In exchange for funds being arranged, and upon the release of Robert Levinson, Congressman Gaetz shall be given credit for facilitating the release of Mr. Levinson. Congressman Gaetz shall also be on the plane that returns Mr. Levinson to freedom, and shall be the person to “reunited” Mr. Levinson with his family and bring Mr. Levinson back to the United States.”

It went on to day that “in exchange for the funds being arranged, and upon the release of Mr. Levinson, the team that delivers Mr. Levinson to the President of The United States shall strongly advocate that President Biden issue a Presidential Pardon, or instruct the Department of Justice to terminate any and all investigations involving Congressman Gaetz.”

http://www...cheme-to-extort-rep-matt-gaetz

other info not mentioned is that the investigation of Gaetz started under Barr & that alleged extortionist mentions Biden as president so that extortion aspect far more recent apparently

*also... possibly unrelated, but lets have a full investigation of Nestor... the teen Cuban boy who was living with him secretly that he considers his adopted son even though he is not adopted & real father is still in his life


anyway, here's hoping Gaetz can eventually become featured in my "another Trump associate arrested" thread series
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 31 19:45:45
Gaetz claimed on Tucker last night that the extortionist was going to give details where to send payment “tomorrow”... so maybe he could’ve waited a day before publicly blasting out the extortion plot and that his father wearing a wire? or maybe he’s just lying... as would be expected from him
habebe
Member
Wed Mar 31 22:18:14
I am Senator Gaetz.

I did not have sexual relations with that 17 year old.

Btw I bought this phone on EBay and just guessed the password.

I will also have similar stances and typos as than previous true Habebe, because of racial justice.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Mar 31 22:45:15
there's such constant nonsense coming from their top-rated shows... it's shameful... but perhaps they're working on their Dominion defense & plan to claim no reasonable person would believe anything said on their whole network (the Sidney Powell defense... which Fox actually did successfully use when Tucker definitely defamed Karen McDougal)
obaminated
Member
Thu Apr 01 22:48:09
unnamed sources from cnn, tw literally never learns. sad.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 02 01:17:07
CNN isn't noted at all...

also Gaetz said most of it himself...
habebe
Member
Fri Apr 02 01:23:26
No I didn't.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 02 01:24:10
Gaetz isn't a senator
Y2A
Member
Fri Apr 02 23:01:01
lol

http://www...el-Greenberg-singing-feds.html

EXCLUSIVE: 'His friend has been singing to the feds - that's why Matt is so freaked out.' Gaetz's arrest is imminent as jailed tax collector Joel Greenberg faces charges of having sex with same 17-year-old and 'making fake ID's with the congressman'
The investigation into Matt Gaetz is linked to his friendship with Joel Greenberg, a Florida tax collector currently in jail awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges
It emerged Tuesday that Gaetz is under investigation by the DOJ over allegedly having sex with a girl, 17, two years ago
Further allegations surfaced Thursday claiming Gaetz had paid for sex with women who Greenberg allegedly met on 'sugar daddy' websites
The 17-year-old girl at the center of the sex trafficking probe is the same girl Greenberg has accused of sex trafficking, say sources
New report Friday revealed Gaetz caught the attention of investigators after he was seen accompanying Greenberg during a late night visit to a tax office
Greenberg is charged with identity theft after allegedly making fake IDs
Gaetz, who has not been charged with any crimes, is expected to be indicted within the next few weeks
Dukhat
Member
Fri Apr 02 23:07:22
Somehow he will blame hillary for giving making him prostitute a 17-year old.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 03 00:19:23
a creepy/childish voicemail left by Greenberg & Gaetz to a female florida Democrat representative:

http://twitter.com/funder/status/1378133494531043328

presumably they are high at one of their underage teen prostitution parties

if they aren't high, just makes it worse
obaminated
Member
Sat Apr 03 03:19:05
Well, he might be fucked for behaving like he lives in a frat house. Still dunno about him being a pedo.
Rugian
Member
Sat Apr 03 10:29:12
So Trump got sold out by the "loyal" Cohen, and now Gaetz is getting sold out by his "friend" Greenburg.

Such a trustworthy people, their kind.
hood
Member
Sat Apr 03 11:19:17
republicans? agreed.
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 12:24:54
^hood is juden.
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 17:14:25
That said who cares, she was 17.

Isn't the age of consent usually 16? In SC it varies 11-14-16 for sifferent situations.

A 30 Something guy banging a 17 year old hooker, clear consent.

Prostitution should be legal anyways.
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 17:14:26
That said who cares, she was 17.

Isn't the age of consent usually 16? In SC it varies 11-14-16 for sifferent situations.

A 30 Something guy banging a 17 year old hooker, clear consent.

Prostitution should be legal anyways.
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 17:16:21
http://en...._the_United_States#Definitions

US states
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 17:16:56
http://en....20fit%20into%20this%20pattern.

Europe
hood
Member
Sat Apr 03 17:28:43
age of consent != sex trafficking.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 03 17:42:55
they are also looking into him supplying the girls drugs & for using campaign funds

as a Trump disciple it would be weird if he wasn't misusing campaign funds
Forwyn
Member
Sat Apr 03 22:05:02
"age of consent != sex trafficking."

Consensual sex and travel isn't trafficking in any manner except retarded federal legalese.
Habebe
Member
Sat Apr 03 22:30:21
He paid her though? If she accepted payment I see nothing wrong.

Now the illegal Id's and drugs could be.It worked for mayor Berry, he got re elected after gettinf caught smoking crack with a hooker.
obaminated
Member
Sat Apr 03 23:28:17
Hey, remember when the president of the United states stuck a cigar up an interns pussy and the media downplayed it? That happened and you fags dont give a shit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 04 02:34:53
putting cigars in consenting interns is not illegal

whereas prostitution, sex-trafficking, illegal drugs, misuse of campaign funds are crimes

not sure he's implicated in the fake IDs


this is how 'sex trafficking' applies:

"Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age"

(so being under 18 triggering it)

he's already admitted to paying for travel & hotel rooms for 'girlfriends' (who probably are all prostitutes)
Habebe
Member
Sun Apr 04 03:16:01
I mean to me, none of that bothers me. But I'm a criminal.

Cigars in interns, today would probably be illegal somehow with the potus blah blah. Perjury however was illegal than and now.Was far worse than anything Trump did btw.

If Gaetz is found guilty, he probably wont make it next election.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 04 03:57:12
Remember when Obaminated made another terrible false equivalency to justify his putrid beliefs?

It happens every moment of every day in his miserable life.
obaminated
Member
Sun Apr 04 10:10:21
Lol, remember when cuckhat claimed to be a billionaire?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 04 12:23:49
perjury about a marital affair is not worse than Trump... Trump silenced all key witnesses (without years-long court fights) in his extortion of the Ukraine president (ones that theoretically would've testified in his favor if he was innocent)... he tried to silence -every- witness, but some did their duty (& were then retaliated on)

& he committed obstruction of justice repeatedly during Mueller

& he is the cause of all deaths, injuries & vandalism at the insurrection

& he is the cause of deaths for countless thousands from the pandemic (like Herman Cain)

& there's all the fraud he has committed in every business & aspect of his life

& he eats his steaks well-done & slathered in ketchup
Habebe
Member
Sun Apr 04 12:36:55
But, I thought you said he was so retarded he couldnt possibly be responsible for say stashing away 1.6 Trill for Biden.

If he can't be given credit for that because he is too incompetent, how can you hold him responsible for the bad shit?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 04 12:52:40
that seems a weird argument...

we know for a fact he silenced everyone on impeachment, he did it publicly (& was the only one w/ power to do so)... much of his obstruction also done publicly... he's clearly the main source for the misinformation of the insurrectionists (even if they got it from Trump's propagandists)... he's clearly who decided to be a terrible role model & spew constant misinformation on pandemic & hold the dumbest event(s) on the planet & the one who didn't want precautions (again repeatedly saying it himself)... & he would definitely at least be aware of the fraud in most of his businesses... like his upselling scam university or his fake 'Trump towers' that he knows he has put $0 into & is just to mislead investors... & he orders his own steaks (w/ waiters having to follow strict protocols in serving his lordship)


he's not responsible for stashing 1.6 trillion for Biden as why in the hell would he be? he didn't do his own job, why would he think about doing others jobs? plus... doing something to help others? no, he had no role in that, i'm completely confident in it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 29 22:26:05
update:

another crazy ass story about this group of criminals... it would be hard to believe is true, if being crazy wasn't normal for them


gist: Greenberg wrote a confession letter that he & Gaetz fucked the underage girl in his attempt to get corrupt pardons from Fraud via another of Fraud's many criminal associates Roger Stone

(full article, didn't trim any):

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A confession letter written by Joel Greenberg in the final months of the Trump presidency claims that he and close associate Rep. Matt Gaetz paid for sex with multiple women—as well as a girl who was 17 at the time.

“On more than one occasion, this individual was involved in sexual activities with several of the other girls, the congressman from Florida’s 1st Congressional District and myself,” Greenberg wrote in reference to the 17-year-old.

“From time to time, gas money or gifts, rent or partial tuition payments were made to several of these girls, including the individual who was not yet 18. I did see the acts occur firsthand and Venmo transactions, Cash App or other payments were made to these girls on behalf of the Congressman.”

The letter, which The Daily Beast recently obtained, was written after Greenberg—who was under federal indictment—asked Roger Stone to help him secure a pardon from then-President Donald Trump.

A series of private messages starting in late 2020—also recently obtained by The Daily Beast—shows a number of exchanges between Greenberg and Stone conducted over the encrypted messaging app Signal, with communications set to disappear. However, Greenberg appears to have taken screenshots of a number of their conversations.

“If I get you $250k in Bitcoin would that help or is this not a financial matter,” Greenberg wrote to Stone, one message shows.

“I understand all of this and have taken it into consideration,” Stone replied. “I will know more in the next 24 hours I cannot push too hard because of the nonsense surrounding pardons.”

“I hope you are prepared to wire me $250,000 because I am feeling confident,” Stone wrote to Greenberg on Jan. 13.

In a text message to The Daily Beast, Stone said that Greenberg had tried to hire him to assist with a pardon, but he denied asking for or receiving payment or interceding on his behalf. He did, however, confirm he had Greenberg prepare “a document explaining his prosecution.”

In the private text messages to Stone, Greenberg described his activities with Gaetz, repeatedly referring to the Republican congressman by his initials, “MG,” or as “Matt.”

“My lawyers that I fired, know the whole story about MG’s involvement,” Greenberg wrote to Stone on Dec. 21. “They know he paid me to pay the girls and that he and I both had sex with the girl who was underage.”

As part of the effort to obtain a pardon, Greenberg wrote multiple drafts of his confession letter. The Daily Beast obtained two typed versions and an earlier handwritten one. Certified forensic document examiner and handwriting expert Wendy Carlson compared the letter to writing samples obtained through two public records requests. She said it was her professional expert opinion that the person who authored a 2019 financial disclosure for Joel Greenberg, as well as Greenberg’s 2020 Board of Elections form, was the same as the author of the letter.

“The person who authored the forms has been identified as the person who authored the letter,” Carlson said.

In those letters, Greenberg detailed his relationship with Gaetz. He confessed to paying young women for sex. And he claimed that he, Gaetz, and others had sex with a minor they believed to be 19 at the time. Greenberg said he learned she was underage on Sept. 4, 2017, from “an anonymous tip” and quickly contacted Gaetz.

“Immediately I called the congressman and warned him to stay clear of this person and informed him she was underage,” Greenberg wrote. “He was equally shocked and disturbed by this revelation.”

Greenberg continued in the handwritten draft that he “confronted” the then-17-year-old and explained to her “how serious of a situation this was, how many people she put in danger.”

“She apologized and recognized that by lying about her age, she endangered many people,” he continued. “There was no further contact with this individual until after her 18th birthday.”

But after she reached the age of legal consent in Florida, Greenberg re-established contact. As The Daily Beast previously reported, about five months after her 18th birthday, Gaetz sent Greenberg $900 in two Venmo transactions—one titled “Test” and the other titled “hit up ___.” The blank contained a nickname for this girl, and Greenberg paid her and two other women a total of $900 about six hours later.

In his confession letter, Greenberg also admitted he facilitated Gaetz’s interactions with college students—and paid them on his behalf.

“All of the girls were in college or post college and it was not uncommon for either myself or the Congressman to help anyone [sic] of these girls financially, whether it was a car payment, a flight home to see their family or something as simple as helping pay a speeding ticket,” Greenberg wrote.

A partial record of Greenberg’s Venmo and Cash App transactions suggests that payments were usually for a lot more than “gas money.” The Daily Beast identified more than 150 Venmo payments from Greenberg to women, as well as more than 70 additional payments on the Cash App, that were generally between $300 and $500—though some exceeded $1,000. The Daily Beast also talked to 12 of the more than 40 different women who received money, and they all said they understood Greenberg was paying them at least in part for sex.

Greenberg, a disgraced local politician in Florida, currently faces a sweeping 33-count indictment that ranges from stalking to sex trafficking. In March, The New York Times revealed that the initial investigation into the Seminole County tax official expanded as agents looked into his role in arranging paid sexual encounters for his friend, Matt Gaetz.

Federal prosecutors have not criminally charged Gaetz—or even publicly confirmed the expansion of their probe. While Gaetz acknowledges the existence of the investigation, he denies having sex with an underage teen. But at some point, Greenberg began to cooperate with investigators, a development his lawyer has suggested poses a serious problem for Gaetz.

That defense lawyer, Fritz Scheller, declined to comment for this story, citing attorney-client privilege.

Gaetz’s office did not respond. However, Logan Circle Group, an outside public relations firm Gaetz has hired, sent the following statement:

“Congressman Gaetz has never paid for sex nor has he had sex with a 17 year old as an adult. We are now one month after your outlet and others first reported such lies, and no one has gone on record to directly accuse him of either. Politico, however, has reported Mr. Greenberg threatening to make false accusations against others, which seems noteworthy for your story and in fact sounds like the entirety of your story. Congressman Gaetz has had no role in advocating for or against a pardon for Greenberg and doubts such a pardon was ever even considered.”

The Politico article referred to in the statement does not say Greenberg was threatening to make false accusations against others, but does say that an associate claimed Greenberg had warned friends that “everyone is going to need a lawyer.”

Neither the U.S. Secret Service nor federal prosecutors with the Middle District of Florida would provide comment for this article either, citing a policy of not confirming or denying the existence of an ongoing investigation.

In the final months of the Trump presidency, Greenberg and Stone exchanged several texts about a pardon over the encrypted messaging app Signal. While images show that the pair frequently set messages to automatically delete, Greenberg regularly took screenshots of their communications.

Stone, who received a presidential commutation in July but at the time had not yet been pardoned, communicated with Greenberg for months about the latter’s desire for a pardon.

The messages show that in November, the pair discussed putting together a “document,” which later took the form of a confession letter and background missive about all the ways in which Greenberg had been loyal to Trump. In their early conversations, Greenberg told Stone that the letter was “about 8-10 pages” and asked if it should be shortened.

“No,” Stone replied, “use as much space as you need to tell the story fully but be certain to include your leader ship [sic] for Trump prominently.”

Greenberg almost immediately responded that he had “killed” himself for Trump. “And I’ve killed my self [sic] for Matt,” he said.

The letter went through multiple drafts and detailed Greenberg’s encounters with Gaetz, but it also focused on Greenberg’s early support of Trump’s run in 2016, such as posting a “Super Trump” highway billboard on Interstate-4. (A version of the letter actually includes the image Greenberg used for the billboard.)

On Nov. 20, 2020, Stone told Greenberg he had received “the document” and would show it to the team that “got me my commutation.”

“I will review it with them and give you a budget. This is very doable and the time is now,” Stone wrote.

An update from Stone came just after midnight on Dec. 8: “Your thing is being looked at and I will have an answer by Saturday as to whether you have a viable shot for justice and how to go about it.”

“Thank you so much Roger,” Greenberg replied. “I am very thankful for you. I pray that the Lord will help. I remain optimistic and will wait to hear back from you.”

Stone quickly sought to dampen expectations surrounding “the whole pardon circus.”

“This is treacherous territory with a lot of different players such as Jared and Giuliani playing a hand,” Stone wrote, presumably referring to Trump adviser Jared Kushner and the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. “I have two things I’m trying to get done. Sit tight.”

On Dec. 21, Greenberg told Stone that government investigators were pressing him to cooperate. “The FBI, DOJ, Secret Service and a bunch of people from DC have repeatedly made attempts to meet with my [sic] lately. I have declined. But they are definitely ramping up pressure.”

“They want me to flip,” he continued. “They have made offers which I’ve declined. I even fired my lawyers this week because they tried to convince me to cooperate and that a pardon was impossible.”

Greenberg then revealed to Stone that his former lawyers were aware of the “whole story” regarding Matt Gaetz’s role.

“My lawyers that I fired, know the whole story about MG’s involvement. They know he paid me to pay the girls and that he and I both had sex with the girl who was underage. So naturally they think that is my golden ticket,” Greenberg wrote.

“And while I have not had any communication with MG, he absolutely has to know that the sex charge they hit me with would be what they would hit him with,” Greenberg continued.

A distressed Greenberg told Stone that he felt “abandoned" by his allies, but emphasized that Gaetz—who was ”like a son” to the President of the United States—could save him: “One conversation with POTUS and he can get this done and it all goes away.”

Greenberg said that while he had discussed pardons with Gaetz’s lawyer, he had not heard a reply and would “have to do what's best for me and my family” after Trump left office.

“You think MG is going to come visit me in prison?” he said, then proposed the $250,000 Bitcoin deposit.

Stone replied that he had considered those points, but “cannot push too hard because of the nonsense surrounding pardons.”

As Trump neared his final days in office, he signaled an intent to issue a wave of pardons, and reports at the time suggested legal reprieve could be had for the right price. Stone communicated with Greenberg about his efforts to navigate the heavy traffic of pardon-seekers.
Today is the day. We will know by the end of the day. I think you sent me some document but it disappeared. I hope you are prepared to wire me $250,000 because I am feeling confident.
— Message from Roger Stone to Joel Greenberg

On Dec. 23, Trump pardoned Stone for the crimes from his 2019 conviction. The next day, on Christmas Eve, Stone acknowledged to Greenberg that he was having difficulty with the Gaetz dimension.

“It is hard for me to understand why MG would do nothing[.] Yes he is potentially damaged if the matter goes forward,” Stone wrote. The three men—Greenberg, Stone, and Gaetz—all shared a friendship dating back several years, and Stone apparently couldn’t figure out why Gaetz wouldn’t help Greenberg get a pardon.

But on the morning of Jan. 13, Greenberg received this text from Stone: “Today is the day. We will know by the end of the day. I think you sent me some document but it disappeared. I hope you are prepared to wire me $250,000 because I am feeling confident.”

There was only a week left in the Trump presidency. It’s unclear if money was ever exchanged, but Greenberg offered to pay extra if Stone could, in fact, get him a pardon.“If you can get this done today I’ll add another 50k,” Greenberg texted Stone.

In a subsequent message, Stone wrote that White House lawyer Pat Cipollone had taken Greenberg’s name out of the list of hundreds of people who might be pardoned. Cipollone didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment Thursday, but according to three people familiar with the matter, Greenberg’s name repeatedly made it to the Trump White House for a presidential pardon. The Daily Beast was shown an image of one such list, and Greenberg’s name and a favorable mini-profile were indeed included.

Administration officials swiftly shot down Greenberg’s application, however, and several senior White House officials at the time said they were not even aware that Stone was involved in a behind-the-scenes maneuvering.

But as Stone explained it in a Jan. 30 text—a full 10 days after Trump left office—Gaetz was partly to blame.

“What I don’t understand is why MJ would not help me at all and actually told me not to help you which I tried to do anyway. In the end it would not have mattered. Cipollone killed everything we wanted to get done and that includes stuff MG wanted,” Stone wrote, immediately clarifying that “MJ” was a typo and that he meant “MG.”

“Ok. He actually said not to help me? Wow,” Greenberg replied.

“If you repeat it you’re really going to hurt me,” Stone warned.

“I won’t Roger. I don’t and haven’t talked to him. I won’t,” Greenberg said.
I made no formal or informal effort in regard to a pardon for Mr. Greenberg... I never requested or received a penny from Mr. Greenberg
— Roger Stone to The Daily Beast

Stone acknowledged Thursday night that there may be “copies of correspondence between me and Mr. Greenberg,” but he questioned whether they were complete, unedited, or accurate.

“I made no formal or informal effort in regard to a pardon for Mr. Greenberg,” Stone said. “I recall requesting a document explaining his prosecution The [sic] details of which I was unfamiliar with.”

“I never requested or received a penny from Mr. Greenberg,” he added. “I recall him offering to retain me and I declined. To be clear I did advocate pardons for a number of people who I had [sic] been unfairly treated by the justice system and was compensated by no one for doing so.”

“Urge you to be very careful,” Stone said at the end of his text. “I will take any appropriate legal action in the event that you publish anything that is false or defamatory. Sounds to me like you have been presented some kind of cut and paste record.”

http://www...-gaetz-paid-for-sex-with-minor
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 30 09:11:27
Tldr.

Has Gaetz been charges with anything yet?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 30 12:07:14
nope, the system moves slowly
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 30 18:27:41
Generally that means they dont have a case, yet. Seems overtly political to drop the story so early in an investigation.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 30 19:03:08
Greenberg has many charges & their close friendship is established & there are receipts of Gaetz payments to Greenberg & Greenberg then paying girls the same amounts, & Gaetz admitting to paying 'girlfriends' for travel & hotels

plus doesn't have to be criminal to be newsworthy & frowned upon
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 30 21:12:07
Don't get me wrong, they may have a case. I just dont think they have it yet.

I also think it was a political move to release it to the news so early in an investigation.As you said the justice system moces slow.

It may be to try and weed out more accusers to come forward.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 30 22:16:24
it's not like the FBI held a press conference, information gets out either leaked or just by people involved or questioned

investigation started under Barr so was hidden for quite some time
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