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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 21 15:43:19
the other shooting circulating besides the Columbus stabby sue one:


ELIZABETH CITY, NC (WRIC/WAVY) — A North Carolina man was shot and killed Wednesday morning by a deputy in Elizabeth City, according to the Pasquotank County Sheriff’s Office.

The office said deputies executed the search warrant at 8:30 a.m. on April 21, in the 400 block of Perry Street, Elizabeth City, NC. They said while this search was being conducted, the person who was the subject of the warrant was fatally shot by a deputy.

The man, who family members identified as 40-year-old Andrew Brown, got into his car and started to drive away, witnesses say. That’s when shots were fired by the deputy. Neighbors say they heard anywhere from 6 to 8 shots.

His family says Brown did not carry a gun and didn’t hurt anyone. He was the father of 10 children.

...

http://www...enforcement-wednesday-morning/

not sure any better details out yet
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 21 15:47:35
Are we just going to have a new thread for every shooting that occurs in America now? Is that the modus operandi going forward?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 21 15:50:26
are we running out of thread space?
Y2A
Member
Wed Apr 21 15:51:32
"Is that the modus operandi going forward?"

Yes
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 21 16:54:11
” The man, who family members identified as 40-year-old Andrew Brown, got into his car and started to drive away, witnesses say. That’s when shots were fired by the deputy. Neighbors say they heard anywhere from 6 to 8 shots.”



The police may have a search warrant, but you should still be able to get into your car and drive someplace without getting murdered by the police, as long as they don’t have an arrest warrant.

What was the search warrant about? Were they looking for a stolen 20 dollar bill? A joint?

Perhaps if the man was a wanted serial killer and a imminent danger to the public – like, if he was going to drive to a school to rape and kill children, then I can understand that the police needed to stop him at all cost. But I don’t think it was the case here? I can’t read the article because the site blocks visitors from the EU.

It sounds like that every American needs a gun to protect themselves from the police. If a police is approaching you – kill it before it kills you. It should fall under pre-emptive self-defence?
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 21 17:01:11
Police kill about 3 criminals per day, on average in the US. It is exceedingly rare, about 1 in a couple thousand, to be unjustified.

Gonna be lots of stupid threads and african/antifa riots if the far left retard cult keeps this up.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 21 17:01:45
Was the pig close enough to lie and say it was coming right for him?

Or we just mag dump fleeing vehicles now?
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 21 17:03:59
Fleeing vehicles are dangerous weapons and often result in the deaths of bystanders. Cops are completely fucking justified in lighting up those retards.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 21 17:27:06
Y2A
Member Wed Apr 21 15:51:32
"Is that the modus operandi going forward?"

Yes

The problem with people like Y2A, is that they see this stuff on the news and think it is common place, then they build their entire politics around it.

:,)
Y2A
Member
Wed Apr 21 20:39:45
recognizing that non-whites and blacks in particular are generally treated like shit by authorities is pretty much common sense.
Y2A
Member
Wed Apr 21 20:55:20
I remember when I was in Russia going from Sochi to Adler on a train ride along the black sea seeing a kid running around playing with a toy gun with the orange tip removed on the beach. now imagine that in that moment a police officer drives up and in less than 2 seconds shoots him dead with a shot directly to the head.

It's difficult to even imagine something like that even being possible because what reason would a Russian police officer have to be so fearful of a kid to immediately go for a head shot. It wouldn't happen because it would have never been called into police in the first place.

But that crap happened with Tamir Rice years ago and not only did the cop that did it not face any criminal charges for it, he got another job at another police department in Ohio.

Why shouldn't people be outraged when stuff like that happens over and over again.
habebe
Member
Wed Apr 21 21:12:53
y2a, Or maybe they just have much higher rates of crazy criminal shit.

Stabby sue tried to kill 2 black women. One got rolled out of the way and the cop saved the victim when the perp wws in mid stab.

Listen that still almost all blacks as non violent criminals, like 97%+ ( number pulled from my ass)

But 13% of the pop committing over 50% of murders for example is reason to question why.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 22 01:04:09
i'm not seeing much new info on the OP story...

slightly additional info:
"
The car skidded out of Brown’s yard and eventually hit a tree, said Demetria Williams, who lives on the same street.
...
A car authorities removed from the scene appeared to have multiple bullet holes and a broken rear windshield.
"
http://apn...2fe702910015753005ba591a77eedf

so suggests shot while still leaving the driveway & shots coming from behind

unless that warrant was for being a serial killer or something, it seems kinda suspect... but unclear if there were other officers in front of car under threat perhaps
habebe
Member
Thu Apr 22 02:08:01
From the limited amount I know about the NC shooting, it seems difficult to justify it.

Low level drug charges/user. Shot in the back inside his car....

Somebody has some explaining to do.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 22 02:45:53
Y2A
Fair enough. Likewise, the spread of wokism into big institutions, corporations and academia is a common sense observation.
Y2A
Member
Thu Apr 22 04:20:42
actual regressive "wokists" are really a small minority of the American left. mostly it is a caricature made up by Ben Shapiro types to justify not doing anything about serious criticisms of law enforcement.

as for corporations, they have a bottom line and realize that it is better to air on the side of big city spenders on these matters. because of electoral college/senate affirmative action that works to the benefit of white conservative republicans, this is actually one of the few places were big city blue staters can have their values represented in any way.

I really don't get what is so bad about Amazon putting something like #StopAAPIHate on their prime banner for a day or corporations using #BlackLivesMatter on their twitter accounts during the mass protests last summer.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 22 05:04:19
Y2a, How about corporations pushing for election laws?
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Apr 22 06:29:22
"actual regressive "wokists" are really a small minority of the American left"

I wish. Unfortunately not lately.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Apr 22 06:58:29
Y2A
”actual regressive "wokists" are really a small minority of the American left.”

Innocent people getting killed is very rare thing in the same vein. But both of these minority incidents can have a huge and asymmetrical impact on society. Look at jihadist, for instance, a minority by every measure in Islamic societies. About 20 000 Islamic state jihadist wrecked half of Iraq and Syria. I think the concept is known to you, this kind of asymmetry exists at every scale of human society. A tiny minority, as you call them, with access to a huge megaphone the BBC (financed with taxes and resiliant to market dynamic) is an example of that.

”I really don't get what is so bad”

Well, mindless corporate virtuesignaling, to hustle some more cheap shit, is arguably not something I personally desire, but also not the worst example. But I am not here to convince you of different politics. Just to explain that my getting entagled with the wokism, where ever it comes from, is a result of my politics, values, philosophy and not vice versa.

I didn’t stumble onto wokism (I actually know at which points I came into contact with these ideas) and then went and constructed an entire world view, around the excess of feminism and anti-racism. Infact every issue under umbrella ”wokism” I approached nominally supportive of. And in principle I still believe in values that underpin ”social justice”.

These ideas presented themselves with componenent that are an imposition on the worldview and values I already have. So the energy I spend on this forum (a fraction of my life) are to some degree proportional to the size of that imposition. And I have people on UP who think different and over the years we have built a tradition of going around and beat the same path.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 22 07:12:52
When I first seen hats saying "stay woke" or "We arenthe children who don't sleep"

I seriously thought it was about meth use.

It also happened to.be from a mexican rapper who talked abput adderall a good deal....
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 22 18:39:29
small amount of additional info on OP story...

via some cop: it was a warrant on some felony drug charges & supposedly he had a history of resisting arrest

but notably, the cop didn't claim he was actually doing anything threatening


apparently there needs to be a court order to release body cam video
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 22 19:30:41
Yeah, Even resisting arrest isnt an excuse to shoot at someone..

Also note a felony drug charge can be as minor as personal possession, or selling your neighbor a a $5 bag of weed depending on the state.

I tend to be skeptical when they callnit a felony charge instead of just saying what it really was, as if to make it spumd worse.

I also don't get why they wouldn't shoot the tires or tack strip.

Remember when serving a warrant, this is a pre planned ordeal, unlike the Ohio shooting, where they responded to a an emergency call. If he has a history of resisting* ( curious as to whatbthe means) you would think they would have a better preparation than to shoot him in back.
Habebe
Member
Thu Apr 22 19:35:17
Yeah, Even resisting arrest isnt an excuse to shoot at someone..

Also note a felony drug charge can be as minor as personal possession, or selling your neighbor a a $5 bag of weed depending on the state.

I tend to be skeptical when they callnit a felony charge instead of just saying what it really was, as if to make it spumd worse.

I also don't get why they wouldn't shoot the tires or tack strip.

Remember when serving a warrant, this is a pre planned ordeal, unlike the Ohio shooting, where they responded to a an emergency call. If he has a history of resisting* ( curious as to whatbthe means) you would think they would have a better preparation than to shoot him in back.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Apr 23 01:55:46
Glad to see that Rugian's gaslighting attempt failed. Spamming random shootings to drive a racist narrative.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 24 12:52:35
some additional bits:


shot in the back (not surprising given rear-window shot out)

a neighbor had a bullet hole in his house

family has met w/ sheriff, but not shown body cam either... however a family member claims cops said they did not find any drugs or weapons in Brown's car or in his house
(imagine being family & still not having any idea why he was killed...)

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so... unless cops were dangling in the windows of car, the options of a good shoot are running low

seems unlikely cops in front of car as shooter McGee is firing from behind & hitting houses, so could've hit cops (kinda makes dangling window cops unlikely too)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Apr 24 12:55:48
also 2 unrelated cops have resigned & 1 cop retired from the department so either they are tired of being scrutinized or they know shit is going to hit the fan
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 26 18:22:22
today family saw 20 secs of one body cam

according to them... they waited 2 hrs for blurring to be done to cops faces & weapons (seems weird to me, someone suggested it looked like rifles not handguns)

& they claim that the shooting was already started when video began

& of course they didn't specify him doing anything requiring being shot but doesn't mean much (although cops haven't said he was doing anything either)


anyway, i guess its going to court Wednesday to see if video can be released to the public
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 26 19:03:21
There was a reason they showed the video of stabby sue within hours. They knew any sane person watching would say, that's a very justifiable killing, like textbook.

This guy was murdered. Shot while apparently attempting to flee. Honestly even if he had a weapon in the car, if he was fleeing, I dont see cause to shoot him.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Apr 26 19:15:35
A car is a weapon.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 26 21:26:42
It can be.

We probably shouldn't start gunning down every nineteen year old who flees from a drag race, though.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Apr 26 21:51:06
Nah, we should light up those fucking retards. Too many padded walls in modern life, not enough evolutionary pressure.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 27 21:31:51
here’s SEAL Team 6 rolling up on his house from a blinky neighborhood cam (I don’t think anything worth watching after first ~25 secs, plus gets super irritating after that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YdxF6V3eO8
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 28 12:38:28
judge has denied public release of videos, issue will be revisited in 30-45 days

so i guess NC cops can shoot people & not have to explain themselves (afaik, they haven't explained it anyway... in any form)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 28 12:44:37
...well there IS an investigation going on behind the scenes, just seems like they should have to give some rationale publicly
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 18 12:07:45
North Carolina DA says the shooting of #AndrewBrown was justified

they finally gave us some video:
http://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394682478066114564

looks like clear intention was to avoid them to me... i'd also like to hear when the shots were all fired
Sam Adams
Member
Tue May 18 12:15:43
He comes very close to hitting that one cop.

Justified.

Family, civil right lawyers lied completely, and should be charged with incitement to riot.
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