Utopia Talk / Politics / Vaccines IX: Amuricah?

Rugian Member	Wed May 05 13:28:14 May 5: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 44.7% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 32.3% (+0.3%) Not great, not terrible.
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 05 15:41:31 Antivaxxers suck. Still not gonna be enough of those retards to make jergul right.
jergul large member	Wed May 05 18:55:36 Jergul: 50% after January 1st 2022 Ruggy: 50% before January 1st 2022 Sammy: 50% before June 1st 2021 Fowyn: 50% before November 1st 2021 Habebe: 50% before July 1st 2021 State Department: 50% by May 19th 2021 Obam: 50% before May 15th 2021
Habebe Member	Wed May 05 19:30:16 Canada also has said Pfizer is good for 12 year olds and others.
jergul large member	Wed May 05 20:26:07 habebe Its a very high bar. Covid "is good for 12 year olds and others" in the same way Pfizer is. To use your extremely imprecise wording. No vaccine is "good for you" beyond what protection it might provide. There are always risks involved. Both are unlikely to harm that particular group given the limited data we have. Note that this is uncertain enough that Pfizer does not have liability, nor will it have liability for as long as the drugs are being given on emergency use authorization.
Habebe Member	Wed May 05 20:35:53 12 years and older* In other words its authorized for anyone older than 12. Canada Approves Use Of Pfizer Covid Vaccine In 12- To 15-Year-Olds http://www...cine-in-12to-15-year-olds/amp/
jergul large member	Thu May 06 01:42:43 In other words, EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION. Interim rules as they call it in Canada. Does it not worry you at all that you cannot sue the producer in theory at least? Suing is what passes for socialized medicine in your country. Here we have other means to recoup financial loss if something goes wrong. Emergency use authorization is actually rather a dangerous choice for you to make personally. Those class action suits are almost as good as stimmy checks.
Habebe Member	Thu May 06 02:19:37 First off, Im not Canadian. 2ndly ypur hardly in a position to knock the US HC system ATM, as horrible as it is it kept us oit of recession unlike Europe.
jergul large member	Thu May 06 05:13:51 Habebe Government spending got you out of the recession.
Rugian Member	Thu May 06 05:40:34 More like government interference got us into a recession.
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 06 11:37:26 Lol jergul is still butthurt.
jergul large member	Thu May 06 11:51:32 Stop projecting Sammy. You have done nothing but whine about vaccine hesitancy.
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 06 12:00:57 Everyone i know is fully vaxed at this point except a pregnant lady. Can you say the same in norway? Lulz.
jergul large member	Thu May 06 12:10:56 Still 0 local infections here Sammy. Our town has beaten covid 5 times now (erradicated local infections 5 times).
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 06 13:45:55 I dont care how many infections there might be in my town. Because i am vaccinated. Its probably 0 though, because lots of people are vaccinated. All with the best vaxes too. America rocks on the vax front.
Rugian Member	Thu May 06 18:34:38 OH YEAH! May 6: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 45.0% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 32.8% (+0.5%)
Rugian Member	Fri May 07 16:36:28 May 7: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 45.3% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 33.4% (+0.6%)
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 07 18:52:18 Late week reports are so much bigger than early week reports. Must be russian colusion! ‐msdnc.
Rugian Member	Sat May 08 13:09:21 The fact that leftist media is refusing to acknowledge the Biden administration's fuckups with J&J and mask guidance is pathetic. They absolutely would rather go with a "much Russia" angle than dare criticize Uncle Joe. --- May 8: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 45.6% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 33.9% (+0.5%)
Sam Adams Member	Sun May 09 15:42:36 EU extends massive contract for pfizer vax, as it proves to be superior in every way. Up to 1.8 billion doses. Remember when i told you euros that the vaccine that saves you would be american? Rofl.
Rugian Member	Mon May 10 13:02:34 I think I'm starting to understand why Europeans aren't big of nationalism. Their countries offer them very little to actually be proud of lol.
Rugian Member	Mon May 10 13:04:28 May 9: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 45.8% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 34.4% (+0.5%) --- And May 10: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 46.0 (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 34.8% (+0.4%)
Daemon Member	Mon May 10 13:45:13 http://inv...ter-2021-financial-results-and BioNTech Announces First Quarter 2021 Financial Results and Corporate Update ... Net Profit / (Loss): Net profit was €1,128.1 million for the three months ended March 31, 2021, compared to €53.4 million net loss for the three months ended March 31, 2020.
Rugian Member	Mon May 10 21:12:01 Boom. It's over. "FDA authorizes Pfizer vaccine for kids 12 to 15" http://www...pfizer-teens-authorized-486677
Rugian Member	Tue May 11 16:04:39 May 11: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 46.2 (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 35.1% (+0.3%)
Rugian Member	Wed May 12 14:30:35 May 12: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 46.4% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 35.4% (+0.3%)
Daemon Member	Thu May 13 16:33:17 http://www...d-19-booster-shots-2021-05-13/ COVID-19 vaccine developers are making ever bolder assertions that the world will need yearly booster shots, or new vaccines to tackle concerning coronavirus variants, but some scientists question when, or whether, such shots will be needed. In interviews with Reuters, more than a dozen influential infectious disease and vaccine development experts said there is growing evidence that a first round of global vaccinations may offer enduring protection against the coronavirus and its most worrisome variants discovered to date. Some of these scientists expressed concern that public expectations around COVID-19 boosters are being set by pharmaceutical executives rather than health specialists, although many agreed that preparing for such a need as a precaution was prudent. (...)
Rugian Member	Fri May 14 03:37:38 May 13: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 46.6% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 35.8% (+0.4%)
patom Member	Fri May 14 09:16:22 Isn't it cute the way many anti-vaxxers claim they won't get vaccinated because they don't know what is in the vaccines? At the same time gulping huge quantities of sausage and bologna.
Rugian Member	Fri May 14 09:39:05 Sausage and bologna don't cause autism.
Habebe Member	Fri May 14 09:44:25 http://youtu.be/MxJDobrrOYA Hahaha
Rugian Member	Fri May 14 20:04:38 lol, patom and other old timers took Aids to lose weight.
Rugian Member	Fri May 14 20:05:25 May 14: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 46.8% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 36.2% (+0.4%)
habebe Member	Fri May 14 21:34:45 Why take diet pills when you can enjoy Ayds?
jergul large member	Sat May 15 09:03:48 Jergul: 50% after January 1st 2022 Ruggy: 50% before January 1st 2022 Sammy: 50% before June 1st 2021 Fowyn: 50% before November 1st 2021 Habebe: 50% before July 1st 2021 State Department: 50% by May 19th 2021 Obam: 50% before May 15th 2021 - off by 13.8%.
Rugian Member	Sat May 15 14:51:31 We're getting there jergul, don't you worry. ---- May 15: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 47.1% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 36.7% (+0.5%)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat May 15 16:47:12 We should nationalize AstraZenca and publically flog the members of their board. Then build a prison labor camp on the moon and send them there. We build it especially for them, we send no one else there and once they are dead, we dismantle it and erase all trace of it. And then.. ok I am getting a little carried away by rage. But we should at least write a strongly worded tweet.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat May 15 16:54:07 Dear AstraZeneca #disappointed #whereismyvaccine >:( [yoda_disapointed.gif]
habebe Member	Sat May 15 17:00:21 At 13.3% away and about 40 days to go, If say my analysis seems to still hold up with current info. As long as we can keep up say .35% and Im Golden, t the very least damn close.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat May 15 17:16:06 ”my analysis” Those are pretty big words for dividing one number with another :P
habebe Member	Sat May 15 21:05:37 A few threwfs ago when I came up with that date I actually put a lot more effort into it, this was just a progress report.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 17 01:33:03 a graph of unsurprising data: http://pbs...0AAo-Mp?format=jpg&name=medium
Habebe Member	Mon May 17 01:35:50 So in general the blacker the state the fewer vaxed?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 17 01:47:05 DC is doing fine i'd say Fox News & Trump exposure is the main factor
Habebe Member	Mon May 17 01:59:37 DC is 46% black, but only 31% of the Vaccinnes distributed went to the black population. Well below their weight. Rural people (More likely Trumpers) also have lower vax rates generally* But it always seemed disengenous when the news will talk the Trumpers holding us back by pointing out Midsissippi and Georgia etc. Are having low rates, and concluding it must.be just the Trumpers, when these are also the blackest states. While separately bring up "the HC divide" and blacks being reasonably hesitant. God forbid anyone speak anything negative about the rainbow people.
Rugian Member	Mon May 17 05:48:15 May 16: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 47.4% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 37.1% (+0.4%)
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 17 10:17:37 Ya, black and hispanic and redneck populations all correspond with lower vax rates. Asians and whites and liberals with higher. Oh and europeans with lower. Lol jergulseb.
Rugian Member	Mon May 17 14:03:24 Uh... May 17: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 47.3% (-0.1%) % of US fully vaccinated: 37.0% (-0.1%) ---- Don't ask me to explain that.
nhill Member	Mon May 17 14:05:19 Are the vaxxed people dying off?
Rugian Member	Mon May 17 14:08:16 Either that, or a huge amount of people had unprotected sex on August 17 2020.
TheChildren Member	Mon May 17 14:14:30 easy. lie, cheat and steal xplained :-)
nhill Member	Mon May 17 14:17:46 > Either that, or a huge amount of people had unprotected sex on August 17 2020. Count me in that club! Already have 5 kids tho so we didn't affect the statistics. Tied them tubes already. 5 is enough, although we may adopt 2 more.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 17 14:55:59 Texas records 0 covid deaths. Herd immunity? Or just herd immunity during the good weather season?
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 17 15:00:44 "Don't ask me to explain that." Could be they updated US population numbers. Could be they removed vaccines that had previously been listed as given out but were in fact wasted. Could be jergul was their math teacher. Or maybe it was russian hackers -msdnc
nhill Member	Mon May 17 15:22:53 > Texas records 0 covid deaths. Herd immunity? Or just herd immunity during the good weather season? Source? Usually the numbers lag a couple days.
habebe Member	Mon May 17 22:33:27 http://abc...-many-people-have-in/10650095/ I googled it and found several articles claiming zero covid deaths reported.for.the first time since March.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 17 23:19:17 Since march of last year.
jergul large member	Tue May 18 00:02:31 Reports trickle in from verious sources. Sometimes they stack oddly. For example if there are data issues.
jergul large member	Tue May 18 00:03:11 Boy you people are stupid.
Forwyn Member	Tue May 18 00:22:20 "Could be jergul was their math teacher."
Forwyn Member	Tue May 18 00:22:24 rofl
Rugian Member	Tue May 18 14:37:44 Lol indeed. Those poor, poor students.
Rugian Member	Tue May 18 14:39:59 I'm pretty sure something just got screwed up yesterday, today's results look like it could be 2 days' worth of updates: --- May 18: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 47.7% (+0.4%) % of US fully vaccinated: 37.5% (+0.5%)
Sam Adams Member	Tue May 18 16:19:20 The bell tolls for jergul
Forwyn Member	Tue May 18 17:55:26 While Obam and SD were a bit too aggressive in their calls, Habebe stands a good chance of pulling off The Price is Right and the jergul is wrong
jergul large member	Wed May 19 01:26:08 Forwyn We will see what percentage everyone is off by the end. Your percentage will be very close to mine btw. And Ruggy's will be almost exactly mine.
jergul large member	Wed May 19 01:28:10 "Price is right" Lol, you are such a fucktwad.
Habebe Member	Wed May 19 01:46:48 My only complaint to Bidens admin. Handling of vaccinne is the lack of a push towards rural, lack and females citizens to get the vaccinne. Many states have been coming up with novel ideas. Harris in particular has been a roadblock for some of these groups being an antivaxxer herself only begrudgingly accepting vaccinne as good.
Habebe Member	Wed May 19 01:51:08 I won't count my chickens bedore they have hatched, but aside from a major unforseen even my estimate of July 1st seems the closest even if not exactly accurate. But very clearly plausible.
jergul large member	Wed May 19 01:58:13 habebe You will almost certainly be closest.
Daemon Member	Wed May 19 02:03:09 Just got my first shot. Sitting now in a waiting area for 30 minutes to see if I collapse. If this is my last message in this forum then you knofsergjjngdfgujjhgregh gty gth. Yugvb. Hyt
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 19 10:48:54 jergul large member Wed May 19 01:58:13 habebe You will almost certainly be closest. Jergul finally admits he was wrong?
Habebe Member	Wed May 19 10:56:34 Sam, Yes, but he will blame it on kids getting vaccinated.
Rugian Member	Wed May 19 10:58:01 Jergul first asked everyone to provide their date guesses and only then made up the rules of the game afterwards. Screw that. If we're making up the rules as we go along, then I say Price Is Right rules apply. (Either way though, jergul loses. Lol)
Habebe Member	Wed May 19 10:59:35 "knofsergjjngdfgujjhgregh gty gth. Yugvb. Hyt" His German is impeccable.
Rugian Member	Wed May 19 18:14:23 May 19: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 47.9% (+0.2%) % of US fully vaccinated: 37.8% (+0.3%) ---- 12-17 year olds make up 6.6% of the population and only 17% have gotten at least one shot so far. That cohort should have a healthy effect on the vaccination numbers, though not an overwhelming one.
Rugian Member	Wed May 19 18:18:24 The marked slowdown in the growth of "fully vaccinated" people is a point of concern - logically that number should still be growing at a relatively high rate as more people get their second shot. The fact that it's not growing quickly suggests that more people are skipping out on the second shot than I would have guessed.
Rugian Member	Wed May 19 18:18:59 And if that is the case...what a bunch of fucking idiots.
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 19 18:43:22 Many people who have had a significant bout of natural covid are being advised by their doctors to only get 1 shot of moderna or pfizer, assuming that their natural defenses acts much like a first shot. Those should probably be counted as fully vaxed, though only represents some 3-5% of the population.
jergul large member	Wed May 19 19:43:26 Jergul: 50% after January 1st 2022 Ruggy: 50% before January 1st 2022 Sammy: 50% before June 1st 2021 Fowyn: 50% before November 1st 2021 Habebe: 50% before July 1st 2021 State Department: 50% by May 19th 2021 - off 12.2% Obam: 50% before May 15th 2021 - off 13.8%
Rugian Member	Thu May 20 14:40:23 May 20: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 48.2% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 38.1% (+0.3%)
habebe Member	Thu May 20 15:43:27 41 days to get 11.9% So I need to keep that .3% fairly steady.
nhill Member	Thu May 20 16:37:24 > I googled it and found several articles claiming zero covid deaths reported.for.the first time since March. The Texas dashboard says 2 deaths now, so that was all a PR stunt
nhill Member	Thu May 20 16:38:25 Not to mention the numbers lag weeks behind anyways, so the whole thing was dumb.
State Department Member	Fri May 21 00:18:20 Fuck.
Habebe Member	Fri May 21 05:03:58 Nhill, Sounds about right. I literally just googled "TX covid deaths" ans clicked "news" Our world in data is the normal standard we use. Even still though 2 is pretty good.
Rugian Member	Sat May 22 06:17:01 May 21: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 48.6% (+0.4%) % of US fully vaccinated: 38.5% (+0.4%)
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 22 13:26:19 Canada hit 50% today, with at least one shot
Habebe Member	Sat May 22 13:28:46 CR, Astrazenica? Or good doses?
nhill Member	Sat May 22 13:30:52 Habebe Agreed
jergul large member	Sat May 22 16:01:34 habebe Does it matter that maybe 1 in 100k gets blood clots? If marginal mortality issues like that bother you, then you should get the fuck out of SC.
habebe Member	Sat May 22 19:01:13 Not concerned about the rare blood clots. I thought it was less effective particularly with some of the variants. Could be wrong though.
Sam Adams Member	Sat May 22 22:44:20 Ya, AZ doesnt work on the south african strain.
Rugian Member	Sun May 23 05:09:45 May 22: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 48.9% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 38.9% (+0.4%)
Rugian Member	Sun May 23 17:21:24 May 23: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 49.2% (+0.3%) % of US fully vaccinated: 39.2% (+0.3%)
Habebe Member	Sun May 23 19:15:49 I'm not really invested in this anymore. Ive already taken as much amusement as possible from Jergul being way wrong...meh...loss of interest.
Sam Adams Member	Sun May 23 22:56:16 Ya, at this point its like the pats up 45-3 over the bengals with 8 mins left. Its a foregone conclusion at this point. RIP jergul.
habebe Member	Mon May 24 07:59:04 That said I have to hand it to Rugian to keep it updated regularly.
jergul large member	Mon May 24 08:22:37 Sammy RIP Sammy on June first. Or did you miss that? habebe I would have added 7 points to my forcast if I had realized the CDC would go crazy with its emergency use authorization to children. My actual goalpost is 57% with that factored in.
habebe Member	Mon May 24 08:55:07 Why 7%? I went with what I thought was a conservative number, taking into account slowdowns and fuck ups.
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