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Paramount Member	Fri May 28 14:27:19 They fail to stand up for America, for the Constitution, for democracy, truth, sanity and decency. Senate Republicans block bill to create commission to probe pro-Trump Capitol insurrection Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a bill that would create an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, as Democrats and the GOP diverge over how best to probe the attack on the legislature and prevent another assault on the democratic process. In a 54-35 vote, the measure failed to hit the threshold needed to overcome a filibuster as nearly all GOP senators opposed it. Six Republicans voted to advance the proposal: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rob Portman of Ohio, Mitt Romney of Utah and Ben Sasse of Nebraska. All of those senators but Portman voted in February to find former President Donald Trump guilty of inciting an insurrection. The vote likely snuffs out the creation of a panel Democrats and some Republicans have called vital to understanding what led to the violent attempt to disrupt the transfer of power to President Joe Biden. GOP leaders have contended the commission could duplicate existing efforts by the Justice Department and congressional committees to investigate the pro-Trump mob attack, which led to five deaths, including that of Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick. Sicknick’s mother met with a handful of Republican senators on Thursday and pushed them to support the commission. Republicans have tried to divert attention from the insurrection — which Trump’s 2020 election conspiracy theories helped to fuel — as they look to regain control of Congress in next year’s midterms. Top GOP lawmakers, particularly in the House, have aimed to tamp down criticism of Trump, who remains the most popular figure in the Republican Party. “Out of fear or fealty to Donald Trump, the Republican minority just prevented the American people from getting the full truth about Jan. 6,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said after the vote. Continues here: http://www...robe-capitol-insurrection.html
Rugian Member	Fri May 28 14:36:13 There was no logical reason for the commission. We already have multiple investigations covering the incident. Moreover, such a commission was pointless since it wouldn't have investigated the politically-motivated violence that took place in the months leading up to January 6. Violence begets violence, so the BLM riots are absolutely relevant for understanding the riot at the Capitol. But since this is a political commission that Nancy Pelosi just wanted to use as an excuse to keep Trump in the news through the 2022 midterms, there was no chance it was ever going to provide an objective analysis of events. So the GOP was completely justified in killing it.
Habebe Member	Fri May 28 15:41:23 Its a political hit job. Waste of time and money.
Dukhat Member	Fri May 28 15:52:13 Some truly delusional gaslighting. "It's all Antifa!" ... which has barely done anything in a decade.
nhill Member	Fri May 28 15:55:01 What does gaslighting mean in Duckhat language? He seems to use the word very liberally. My guess is that's his default when confused by something, which makes an awful lot of sense when you think about it.
Y2A Member	Fri May 28 16:14:22 why would you allow the criminals to have any say in their own prosecution?
Habebe Member	Fri May 28 16:41:02 "My guess is that's his default when confused by something, which makes an awful lot of sense when you think about it." In SE PA/Philly area we call that "Jawn" That jawn handed me a jawny jawn. Its basically the real world version of Smurph. Anyway, this is a political distraction to drag out how evil.Trump and.Republicans are because one small protest got out.of hand and led to a fair amount of property damage....
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri May 28 16:59:50 i guess everyone is in agreement as to what happened - violent insurrection vs a tourist visit w/ a few agitators - caused by Trump (the singular target needed removed by a terminator to stop it) vs those not sure if they were even Trump supporters & the criminal prosecutions won't change any of the bullshit being put out, so no there is not sufficient investigation going on & the Dems even gave McCarthy all his demands & it was negotiated by an R & a D together, yet they are beholden to a total fraud & his cult
Habebe Member	Fri May 28 17:06:34 Massive cult*
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 28 17:59:54 Ya, you cant investigate one sides political riots and not the others.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri May 28 18:56:08 not much mystery to BLM-related riots if you want to investigate Portland/Antifa, make a separate one, has nothing to do w/ election/Jan 6
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 28 19:16:58 Political extremism on either side is directly related. The maga retards at the capital equal the retards in antifa/blm. No more, no less. You can have both trials start at the same time under the same bill, or you can have neither.
Y2A Member	Fri May 28 20:37:40 as proven by the clown, alt right fascists can easily get into power and are therefore a real threat to the democratic order. despite the "both sides" bullshit that sam is trying to pull, we all know that there are not enough Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite-Guevarista-Gramscites to make a real difference. the barrier to entry to become one is to read Das Kapital, the Prison Notebooks, State and Revolution, etc.. all with prerequisites of Hegel and a variety of enlightenment philosophers while the battier to entry to become an alt right retard is to post some frog memes on 8kun.
Y2A Member	Fri May 28 20:38:21 *barrier
Y2A Member	Fri May 28 20:45:03 also, to be VERY clear. I completely condemn the attack on parked unoccupied police cars that the Weatherman Underground did over 50 years ago.
kargen Member	Fri May 28 22:40:51 I think they should investigate January 6th but there doesn't need to be an independent commission. The people that should be have already been investigating. If they want an independent commission for January 6th then maybe after we here from the independent commission on the attacks of the federal court house and the attempted secession from the country in Portland.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri May 28 23:29:37 yeah, go ahead & investigate the CHAZ so your side will learn it was a bunch of hippies doing nothing rather than people burning & shooting up the city day after day as they currently think
habebe Member	Sat May 29 00:25:23 http://www...probe/ar-AAKuFRa?ocid=BingNews And here is the real reason, its a political ploy to make it easier to pass.bills with less support. But of course they will hate it after 2022 elections.
Sam Adams Member	Sat May 29 00:59:34 "yeah, go ahead & investigate the CHAZ so your side will learn it was a bunch of hippies doing nothing rather than people burning & shooting up the city day after day as they currently think" Uh, chaz shot 4 people. 2 died. Same ballpark as the "insurrection". Investigate both, or investigate none.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 02:08:54 shot 4 people over a period of 3 weeks, was obviously not the 'Escape from New York' scene that Fox tried to portray
kargen Member	Sat May 29 02:11:46 They also laid siege to a federal building for a few weeks. Every person that threw objects at the officers protecting the building should be brought up on charges.
Habebe Member	Sat May 29 02:31:41 How many people did the rioters on Jan. 6 kill?
Y2A Member	Sat May 29 09:17:26 how many people did the beer hall putsch people kill? If i shoot at someone with the intent to kill them but fail because I miss, I can't tell the judge that hey, the guy isn't dead so no harm no foul.
Habebe Member	Sat May 29 11:08:57 Y2a, How many rioters shot and missed?
Dukhat Member	Sat May 29 11:51:01 Not even Fox News can find any actual events of Antifa doing anything meaningful in the last 25 years. You have to try really, really hard and stretch the truth about the George Floyd protests ... And those stories are really just about looters taking advantage of the situation.
Dukhat Member	Sat May 29 11:58:28 Anyways this is the playbook of the right nowadays. Accuse the other side of doing something horrible so they can act in an even more obscene and horrible way. Typical gaslighting. Nhil and Habebe jerking each other off doesn't change the reality of their ignorance or what the word means. Stupid fucks.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 12:01:00 "They also laid siege to a federal building for a few weeks. Every person that threw objects at the officers protecting the building should be brought up on charges" that wasn't the CHAZ, & if they could identify the individuals, they would be charged (& people HAVE been charged, not that your side's lying liars ever say so)
Habebe Member	Sat May 29 13:27:44 "if they could identify the individuals, they would be charged" That's not true.Most of the rioters in the area were repeatedly arrested and set.free with charges dropped. But again to a larger point that has nothing to do with your views, you obviously condemn such actions just as I condemn the actions of the Jan. 6th rioters. This whole exercise of finding the extremists that are loosely linked by support of large tent political parties to cas a bad light on everyone because of there bad acts is dumb.
kargen Member	Sat May 29 18:11:23 "that wasn't the CHAZ" didn't say it was. I pointed out two things. You ignored one so I mentioned it again. Both groups were rioters and should face the consequences. One group came up with a dumb-fuck name and tried to plant tomatoes on the pavement. They should be jailed for stupidity.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 19:11:03 "That's not true.Most of the rioters in the area were repeatedly arrested and set.free with charges dropped. " do you have a source on that? although they did kidnap people & hope they confessed as they didn't have evidence... so if you kept quiet you got released
Hrothgar Member	Sat May 29 19:13:13 Is there not a massive difference between a protest group on a city street and one that actively attempts to challenge/overthrow the electoral political processes of a nation? BLM protests are not free of sin certainly, but imo those protests are not at all comparable to the Jan 6th insurrection.
kargen Member	Sat May 29 20:22:49 What is the independent commission going to be asked to investigate? More importantly who? I'm betting a shiny new nickel this has nothing to do with the rioters and has everything to do with a former occupant of the white house because he still resides in their brains. They much like tumbleweed have a physical and emotional addiction to Trump and would suffer the same symptoms of a heroin addicting kicking the habit cold turkey if they didn't think about and comment on Trump many times a day. "BLM protests are not free of sin certainly, but imo those protests are not at all comparable to the Jan 6th insurrection." Any that took place during the siege of the federal courthouse are. Both buildings represent a branch of the federal government. My opinion the court house siege was much worse. Neither classify as an insurrection though.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 20:58:56 they didn’t battle through the cops to get into the building, and they weren’t trying to override democracy and Trump is still trying to win the election and his minions still trying to maintain doubt in the election launching new audits of things audited multiple times already (& using a totally biased and no experience outfit in AZ, hopefully Georgia’s won’t be as irresponsible)
Habebe Member	Sat May 29 21:14:57 http://www...-scrapped-32-left-pending.html
kargen Member	Sat May 29 21:23:14 "they didn’t battle through the cops to get into the building, and they weren’t trying to override democracy" They tried to get past the fence President Trump okayed even though the mayor didn't want it. They also assaulted the officers throwing a variety of projectiles. The judicial branch of government is equal to the legislative branch. Again neither were trying to overthrow Democracy. Here is the log from one night at the federal building in Portland. The capital building breech was tiny compared to what happened in Portland. At 9:36 p.m. local time a reported 4,000-5,000 individuals had gathered around the courthouse. At 10:40 p.m. local time violent actors began to try and cut the fence protecting the courthouse perimeter, as they have attempted every night since it was erected. Federal officers were forced to use pepper balls to repel the attempts and prevent further damage to federal property. Rioters initially stopped their attack on the fence but quickly returned with shields to continue. At 10:55 p.m. local time officers were once again forced to go outside the courthouse in order to stop the attempts to cut the fence. At 11:04 p.m. local time rioters began to launch the first mortar firework attacks of the evening against the courthouse and federal officers. At 11:08 p.m. local time an unknown chemical was sprayed on an FPS officer and other officers were assaulted with hard projectiles from the crowd. At 11:19 p.m. local time FPS declared an unlawful assembly. At 11:21 p.m. local time federal officers came under heavy laser attack from rioters. Around this time, rioters also launch a roughly 10-minute-long continuous firework attack against the courthouse. The crowd size was reported to be approximately 5,000 to 6,000 individuals around this time. At 11:28 p.m. local time an individual drove a car up to the fence perimeter and parked next to it. Rioters began to throw smoke bombs into the fence perimeter. At 11:53 p.m. local time at least one power tool reportedly was being used to cut through the fence. Around midnight local time crowds began to converge on the parks in the vicinity of the federal building, as PPB reported damage to multiple storefronts in the path of the crowds. Rioters started to throw explosive devices at the fence perimeter and, in addition to the use of saws and power tools, began to try and hammer bolts off the fence. At 12:26 a.m. local time a federal officer was injured after being hit by hard projectiles the rioters had thrown. At 12:32 a.m. local time violent actors attached ropes to the fence in yet another effort to tear it down. After that rope snapped, they brought out a bigger rope to continue the destructive effort. At 12:49 a.m. local time federal officers issued several warnings to the crowd to disperse. At 12:54 a.m. local time a rioter was able to peel back part of a fence panel that had been cut through. At 1:09 a.m. local time rioters managed to tear down down a section of the fence. At 1:11 a.m. local time PPB declared this situation to be a riot. Federal officers began to repel rioters who were inflicting on the officers heavy fire through mortar-style fireworks and to push them away from the courthouse. Following the riot declaration, PPB also helped federal officers clear the area as both made multiple arrests. At 2:05 a.m. local time two weed sprayers filled with an unidentified liquid were found in a nearby park; HAZMAT was called. Around 3:10 a.m. local time federal officers began to return to the courthouse. There were still a couple hundred individuals gathered in the vicinity. The night’s violence resulted in at least 14 new injuries to federal officers. One FPS officer was injured from a thrown hard projectile; injuries include a laceration on his arm and bruises to his arm. The officer received treatment from a medic and returned to defend the courthouse.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 21:30:16 from the linked Fox News article (can't stand dailymail pages): " Kevin Sonoff, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon, issued a statement which reads in part, "Dismissals are very case-specific and based on our assessment of available evidence. If we do not believe we can prove a charge beyond a reasonable doubt, we will dismiss the case." " i'm pretty confident if they had -proof- someone attacked an officer they would charge which is why most of Trump's violent seditionist cult will just be getting trespassing charges (often due to their trophy selfies) confirming the many many violent attackers is more difficult
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 21:35:32 " They tried to get past the fence President Trump okayed even though the mayor didn't want it. They also assaulted the officers throwing a variety of projectiles " Trump's violent seditionist cult plowed through fences (& windows, & doors & COPS)... as well as threw projectiles & used sprays (& tasers) on cops so everything in your list but much worse
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 21:42:11 and let's continue to analyze your stupid comparison let's say that leftist mob instead attacked the Supreme Court, & didn't just cut fences but stormed through fences & windows & doors & fought cops hand-to-hand as well as w/ projectiles... the justices forced to flee, & their offices trashed by the mob that -actually- would be comparable however, apparently you would consider that less significant than this Oregon courthouse w/ the cut fences & thrown projectiles...
Dukhat Member	Sat May 29 21:52:00 It's what they want to believe. And right-wing media force feeds it to them. Willfully ignorant stupid shits.
habebe Member	Sat May 29 21:54:53 I beleive all misdemeanors and the felony charge of rioting were not pursued. It was kind of a big deal at the time, nearby Sheriffs departments refused to keep sending officers until they would prosecute people, I remember ome sheriff talking about how they were tired of risking their necks to get people off the street and see them again the next day rioting.
habebe Member	Sat May 29 21:59:18 To think that one protest that got out of hand turned riot was worse than an entire summer of riots because it was at a federal building jist seems like ypur looking for a reason to say its worse. The big difference was the Republican led riot was thoroughly prosecuted. The democrats frequently did not.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 22:14:03 i see no reason to combine all BLM-related incidents into one to compare to Trump's violent seditionist attack & the threat isn't over as the poisoning continues by the faucet who started it & all his corrupt minions buying into it all 17 AG's who signed onto that crazy TX lawsuit should be put on a treason watch list. i live in PA, there was NO indication R's were going to try to toss out ALL mail-in ballots before the election occurred & there was no reason to do so & would have been fucking crazy, yet they tried to do it only after learning they could make the loser win
Habebe Member	Sat May 29 22:43:06 Well, Republicans only had one riot, so if your going to compare them that sounds reasonable.However again, neither you nor I condone any of those actions, and Im fine leaving it at that. You live in PA?I didn't know that, I lived in Bucks/Montco area almost.my whole life.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 29 22:57:20 BLM-related rioting was not about being Democrats & not sure what mystery there was to it and adding hundreds of incidents to investigate seems like just to delay & distract also, i don't think investigating all that was in their original demands, they just added new unrealistic demands after Dems agreed to all their prior ones and they originally said it would be a vote of conscience, then that changed to being whipped to vote against & McConnell personally asking for favors they have been acting in bad faith throughout, as required by their lord & master who wields a vengeful cult who destroy all who try to expose him
kargen Member	Sun May 30 00:06:40 "i see no reason to combine all BLM-related incidents into one to compare to Trump's violent seditionist attack & the threat isn't over as the poisoning continues by the faucet who started it & all his corrupt minions buying into it" any number of them almost nightly caused more damage, resulted in more injuries and more deaths than Jan 6th did. Now you wanna take a stab at answering my questions: What is the independent commission going to be asked to investigate? More importantly who? If the answer in any way includes the word "Trump" then it would be a bullshit reason as I said earlier. Just something to allow the delusional to get their daily Trump fix.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 01:46:31 "any number of them almost nightly caused more damage, resulted in more injuries and more deaths than Jan 6th did" false on injuries & deaths ------------ "What is the independent commission going to be asked to investigate? More importantly who?" up to them i suppose... i'd want to know which members of congress were corresponding & what they said, & what Trump's militias plotted beforehand, & any details on any planning for that matter & why there was weak security & delays in security & what Trump did during it when seeming everyone begging him to say something --------- "If the answer in any way includes the word "Trump"..." why the fuck wouldn't it involve Trump? even McConnell said Trump was responsible... & McCarthy & Nikki Haley & Lindsey Graham had complaints before being whipped back into line plus reports are he was happy to watch it, he was extremely slow in saying anything & when he did it was weak
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 01:53:22 your side keeps claiming Nancy Pelosi at fault & that it's unclear if it was even Trump supporters, so put up or shut up your side is basically just admitting they are full of shit same as occurred w/ impeachment #1 for that matter... multiple R's believing Trump did the deed, but claiming not impeachable, but keeping pretty quiet about it while allowing him to just keep claim he was innocent & all a hoax same as occurred w/ impeachment #2 for that matter... multiple R's believing Trump did the deed & in fact impeachable, but ducking behind excuse of him no longer being president
kargen Member	Sun May 30 03:06:24 "false on injuries & deaths" bullshit. "i'd want to know which members of congress were corresponding & what they said, & what Trump's militias plotted beforehand, & any details on any planning for that matter & why there was weak security & delays in security & what Trump did during it when seeming everyone begging him to say something" So not about punishing the people that rioted but about trying to blame Trump. Show me where Trump said to enter the capital building. He told people to go down there and protest/demonstrate. Nothing he said suggested they actually enter the building nor did he suggest they get violent. You don't realize that because you are mentally ill.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 30 05:57:58 [Hrothgar]: "Is there not a massive difference between a protest group on a city street and one that actively attempts to challenge/overthrow the electoral political processes of a nation?" True, the January 6th protest group on city streets is nothing compared to BLM's attempt to actively overthrow the U.S. political system. We know that via a tribalist slavery to its political wish list DNC media fed BLM its own narratives back to it and convinced a rage mob of many lies: - That the U.S. is "systemically racist" - That police forces must be abolished, giving way in the vacuum to a federally empowered and partisan DOJ which could exercise powers over all states without local checks and balances in its way - That the Electoral College must be abolished - That the Supreme Court must be packed to favor the DNC - That D.C. must be a state (and Puerto Rico when it's DNC-leaning enough) - That the Senate must be abolished or its powers changed to favor the DNC All of these things, of course, would lead to a one-party authoritarian state under permanent DNC control. The DNC fed the BLM rage-mob lies to get them into the streets, instigating a mob daily for months using BigTech, social media, mainstream media, pol-spam meme bot-armies, and their outright approval and legal funding. Certainly, if the DNC wants a commission to be held after Trump asked protesters to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard", then the GOP should have its wish of a commission similarly investigating the reach of the DNC in the 2020 election and riots. Should, for instance, DNC funding of bot armies be investigated? The DNC's role in controlling polling locations? The DNC's control of judges who could review election evidence? The DNC's suppression of Green Party votes in swing states? The DNC's meetings with BigTech CEOs? The DNC's financial entanglements with private companies willing to do end-runs around the First Amendment? We could look into which party wants the anti-Constitutional anti-Republic mob rule of a popular vote via the end of the Republic's use of electors. Or who wants votes to have fewer and fewer protections, with an end goal being no identification necessary, low-information 16-year-olds voting despite having no other citizen responsibilities, and ballots put in the hands of disengaged nihilists whose lives exist entirely on social media. These things might not do so well under the lens of an independent commission tasked with finding out whether or not the DNC actively wants to topple the Republic. So let's work on bipartisan action! Just like where the DNC gets sanctuary states for illegal immigration, the GOP should get sanctuary states for absolute Second Amendment protections — allowing individual citizens every weapon used by small units in the military with no restrictions regarding open or concealed carry. If the DNC gets a January 6th Commission, then the GOP gets a 2020 Election/Riot Commission. This makes sense. I think we can agree on this if we are not blind tribalists, correct? With evidence hitting the mainstream discourse, maybe we'd get an idea about which party best fits the definition of an "insurrection".
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 07:10:26 The BLM riots have resulted in at least 19 deaths and caused an estimated $2 billion of damage across 140 cities. Anyone who says the January 6 riot was more deadly than BLM is a total fucking liar at this point. It's been pointed out multiple times that the opposite is true.
Paramount Member	Sun May 30 09:27:42 The violence on january 6 was more severe, grave. Because it was directed at the State and at elected officials. Democracy was under attack. Is this you Rugian? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLXtE8ihcY&t=4s
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 09:41:51 Paramount Yes, we know, our political overlords are so much better than the common person. Who cares if 19 ordinary peasants are killed and hundreds more have their stores looted? But God forbid that our untouchable rulers should ever have to be slightly afraid of the mob for a couple of hours, or have their sacrosanct temple be occupied by the dirty plebs. We don't do that monarchy-type shit here. Politicians aren't special, and shouldn't be treated as such.
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 09:45:45 And whatever the rioters on January 6 were thinking, the fact is that they had no way to actually stop the transition of power from Trump to Biden. Even if they had somehow managed to find and destroy the EC ballots, the states all keep spare copies. In the end, the ratification of the EC vote would have eventually taken place no matter what. So no, our democracy was not under attack.
Hrothgar Member	Sun May 30 09:55:15 It's not about how much damage or deaths that makes the Jan 6th bullshit what should be a huge deal in everyone's mind. The Jan 6th riot was a mob psychology event, created by Trump directly, to attempt to scare Senators into voting to overthrow the presidential elections of the USA. I mean holy shit! That is some grade A mental gymnastics to figure out how to downplay this event and be ok with 'just moving on'. Especially when you still have Trump egging his cult like followers on, not so subtly encouraging through blind nationalistic fervor that US system of government is broken and doesn't work. The movement is damaging the nation by destroying 50% of the population's faith and trust in the ideas like voting, courts, congress, and representation. No longer is the info to the Republican masses "Believe in and use the process to change the nation". It's "the process is a fraud, change will only come from challenging it from outside the process". Everyone should see how ruinous to the USA this line of thinking is. It lead to the Jan 6th riot. It will lead to far worse (or better if you are China/Russia).
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 10:16:10 Hrothgar No one is denying that Trump has a corrosive effect on our democratic process. The man needs to learn how to take an L, and the fact that he can't is bad for the country. But BLM and its adherents represent the far greater threat in the long term. Trump is one guy who is going to be around for maybe another few years before his age catches up to him. Meanwhile, the same people who were encouraging BLM violence overwhelmingly dominate the Beltway establishment, the news media, the schools and academia, the Democratic Party, the mass entertainment industry, the majority of major corporations, and even the military. You think Trump is ruinous to the USA? I think a far left cult of ideology, founded in the roots of Marxism and encouraging of racial conflicts, government-backed discrimination against whites, the ruination of our cities, and Cultural Revolution-type struggle sessions for those guilty of wrongthink are much more ruinous. And unlike Trump, these people are actually in positions of power now. While Trump is egging on his fellow crazies to believe that he won, the crazies on the left are the ones who have actually won through their hijacking of almost all of the major institutions in America. That seems something that's way more worthy of an investigation.
habebe Member	Sun May 30 10:41:03 Lefties don't seem to realize they're in the cult...
habebe Member	Sun May 30 10:42:55 Their argument seems to be that shark attacks are worse than covid,because in their perception its scarier.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 30 10:43:50 [Hrothgar]: "The Jan 6th riot was a mob psychology event, created by Trump directly, to attempt to scare Senators into voting to overthrow the presidential elections of the USA. I mean holy shit!" This is a false narrative propagated by DNC media. Trump asking protestors to "peacefully and patriotically make [their] voices heard" as a means of giving more weight to the arguments planned by people such as Ted Cruz inside is not "[attempting] to scare Senators into voting to overthrow the presidential elections." Before the protests started pushing barriers, arguments were already being made on the floor to this effect — GOP legislatures were counting on having the floor in order to make their points on the national stage where even CNN would have to cover them. The protests were expected to be wholly peaceful — given the track record of the right in peaceably assembling. Compare this to the track record of left-wing groups, whom even the left's politicians were worried about if the election did not go "their way". Compare also to protests outside the Floyd trial, which vowed violence if the verdict were not "guilty" on *all* charges and which were instigated openly by DNC insurrectionist/seditionist Maxine Waters. Mob psychology indeed. And "overthrowing" an election is itself another false narrative. These were people who wanted simple investigations to take place, but they were denied investigations repeatedly by DNC-owned judges who dismissed election integrity cases without considering the evidence. DNC media instead told its followers that there was "no evidence" — another lie that they disseminated en masse while hoping that no one looked beyond their wall of lies and perhaps watched the "boring" footage of *hours* of evidence being presented to other law-makers. But I suppose it's good to own 90% of the media when you want to tell lies. But, in the absence of the "Trumpism"/"Orange Man Bad" psychological operation against the United States, the left's lies have begun surfacing in the Zeitgeist. The big one to watch right now is the Lab Leak Hypothesis, which DNC media has decided is no longer useful as a tribal weapon against Trump and can thus be looked at more factually. How many of the supposed "20,000 lies" told by Trump will be exposed similarly for their firehose of falsehood bullshit? We know that many others still circulate (e.g., the lie that Trump said that white supremacists were "very fine people"). .. [Rugian]: "No one is denying that Trump has a corrosive effect on our democratic process." I would argue that the DNC media machine has been the central corrosive effect on process. Trump himself was just a Twitter stream, but the pure rage of DNC coverage was its own animal. We saw yellow journalists like Robert Reich, Jeff Tiedrich, Joe Scarborough, Christiane Amanpour, David Atkins, and dozens more sacrifice all of their integrity to make political hit-jobs against Trump — facts be damned. Trump could Tweet something innocuous, and the rage mob would be there to tell the public why it was the worst thing in the world before Trump had even finished wiping. Yellow journalists dedicated their careers to this — running with disproven lies because those lies tracked well with the plebs. And we saw the results. We saw it with the Floyd trial being held hostage to the rage mobs outside — this affected the jury so much that the defense has strong claims for a mistrial. We saw it with voters, with some people voting DNC in 2020 because they were worried about left-wing riots following a GOP win. Looking ahead to Rittenhouse (November trial), the DNC narrative was so controlled there that even a strong self-defense claim seems like it may be in the hands of political psychopaths. Corporate DNC still owns the greater market share of discourse, and they intend to ride the wave of psychosis that they built.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 12:26:32 "Anyone who says the January 6 riot was more deadly than BLM is a total fucking liar at this point" kargen is claiming the individual incidents more-so... if you combine hundreds/thousands of incidents yeah, they have more deaths... barely... ~20 attributed over hundreds of incidents? Trump's cult attack was a single incident... w/ people as the targets, is there a single BLM incident where the mob attacked police lines w/ hockey sticks & flag poles, etc? =================== "These were people who wanted simple investigations to take place" i disagree... 'stop the steal' was the motto, they already decided it was stolen, Trump's continuous stream of messages was various mass fraud found & lying that it wasn't looked into there is no investigation that would satisfy Trump & therefore not his cult, anyone honestly disagree? is Trump going to accept any audit showing no mass fraud? he hasn't so far that's why we're doing audit #3 in AZ (w/ a clown group)... & an even higher #'d audit now in Georgia
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 12:32:36 and if anyone is thinking of disagreeing about Trump... listen to his treasonous call to the GA secretary of state... it was a continuous stream of Trump making a baseless claim, Raffensperger saying 'we looked into that & you're wrong, here's the real data' & Trump ignoring him completely... over and over... and his cult believes whatever he says, so if Trump doesn't accept results his cult won't either as i noted before, every respectable R left should be sending 'thank you' notes to Twitter & Facebook daily, otherwise his continuing poison spewed on his blog would be getting a lot more notice
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 12:46:36 "kargen is claiming the individual incidents more-so... if you combine hundreds/thousands of incidents yeah, they have more deaths... barely." In all fairness, Republicans didn't riot all summer.
Dukhat Member	Sun May 30 13:30:21 Cherub Cow thinks the DNC is so fucking strong lol If only.
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 13:36:52 The DNC clearly has strong control over the maimstream media. There is strong evidence of this. http://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 13:37:25 The guy who defended the "Jim Crow on steroids" lie is claiming that a single incident that results in fewer people getting hurt is worse than a series of interconnected incidents that result in more people getting hurt. ...what?
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 13:39:16 "(FOX NEWS) -- More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer following the police killing of George Floyd, according to a report released in October. The Major Cities Chiefs Association, a professional association comprised of local law enforcement heads from the 69 largest police agencies in the United States and nine in Canada, detailed the unrest and compiled data from protests between May 25 and July 31 in MCCA member cities." http://www...ab-11eb-9431-a3e24704f86a.html I'm pretty sure I've posted this here before, but this board's leftist posters willingly ignore anything that goes against their official narrative...so I'll keep posting until it fucking sticks.
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 14:26:47 This whole thread is just an exercise in troll politics. Im not saying I'm innocent of it either. But its constant even in regular politics. Kammalla Harris posted "Enjoy the long weekend" and we now see a bunch of outrage over that. I get it, as VP she should.have mentioned something about our soldiers. But WTF! , she has said and done so many real things to get outraged over it just diminishes it to go off.on this. And I get it, Trump could say something ad benign as good.morning and people would lose there shit. IDK...just venting I guess.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 15:24:08 the singular Trump violent seditionist cult attack is more significant than any singular BLM-related riot (& had more injuries & deaths) & the Capitol being breached & trashed w/ actual attacking -through- cops, especially while Congress in session & doing business (making it sedition by its definition), is more significant than retail looting and i'm sure incidents are being analyzed on a local level as each city has different issues, and none want rioting... but what do you even expect a congressional panel to figure out? and i don't even care if you have a separate panel... but throwing ALL of those incidents into the Jan 6th panel obviously is not a good faith request... were R's even demanding a panel before the Jan 6th one came up? (maybe they were, just asking :p)
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 15:31:27 How many deaths dod the Jan 6 event have? The cops shot 1 lady, pretty sure that's it.
Dukhat Member	Sun May 30 15:47:00 Uh, the mother of the police officer that died asked the GOP to vote yes on the commission. Convenient how blue lives matter until it doesn't. Fucking hypocrite right-wingers.
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 16:00:07 Washington’s medical examiner found this week that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died a natural death on Jan. 7 http://archive.is/URUPj This guy?
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 16:00:08 Washington’s medical examiner found this week that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died a natural death on Jan. 7 http://archive.is/URUPj This guy?
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 16:19:29 Habebe So to put it another way, the ONLY person who was actually killed on January 6 was...an unarmed woman who was shot to death by a police officer. Oh the irony.
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 16:21:09 Also, completely unsurprised that Dukhat is parroting a lie that was spread around by Hillary Clinton. What a fucking sheep he is.
Rugian Member	Sun May 30 16:29:36 To the "Calling an election integrity law 'Jim Crow on steroids' is an 'acceptable' lie in politics" fool: You yourself have conceded that the BLM riots were all interrelated to each other, so looking at them as a series of unconnected and separate incidents is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And no, there was no "local" element to them, they were being conducted based on a nationwide talking point. An independent commission would be able to draw conclusions as to what role Democrats and their media allies played in fueling the flames of unrest...which is exactly what Pelosi wants to do to Republicans and Fox News with her bullshit investigation. You cannot logically want one without the other (arguably the BLM investigation is more important though since its provocateurs have massive institutional power, while Trump has none of his own).
Dukhat Member	Sun May 30 19:52:18 "The medical examiner also said: “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”" He was sprayed by insurrectionists and also constantly engaged the previous day. Fucking cuckservatives hate context. It ruins their lies.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 19:55:43 “the ONLY person who was actually killed on January 6 was...an unarmed woman who was shot to death by a police officer” and I bet Kyle Rittenhouse responsible for the deadliest BLM-related incident and there seems an odd number of ‘natural’ deaths Jan 6 plus the suicides, so feels like >1 to me and I said go ahead and have your panel... it’s not related to Jan 6
Habebe Member	Sun May 30 20:07:17 What did the Washington medical examiner say? On April 19, more than two months after Mr. Sicknick’s remains lay in honor in the Capitol Rotunda, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Washington said it had determined that Mr. Sicknick had died of “acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis,” also known as a stroke. The office ruled the manner of his death as natural, using a term it said applied if “disease alone causes death.” The office said that if a death is “hastened by an injury,” it wouldn’t consider the manner of death to be natural. Why did it take so long for the examiner’s results to be released? The office declined to comment beyond the statement. The chief medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, told the Washington Post that the autopsy had found no evidence that Mr. Sicknick suffered an allergic reaction to the chemical spray or evidence of internal or external injuries, but said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.” Does Dukhat not understand the legal terminology of a natural death, not hastened by injury, nor ANY EVIDENCE OF INJURY.
Hrothgar Member	Sun May 30 20:12:45 Cherub Cow proving part of my point by referring to any judge that disagrees with the Trump narrative as if they are a DNC stooge. Like I said. Trump (who himself is a product of the Tea Party movement) is ruining a massive swath of citizen's belief in their own government. It's going to destroy the very thing they claim to love if they keep pushing this disdain deeper and deeper into the psychy of the Republican party.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 20:15:43 he was sprayed... I find it hard to imagine him and the 2 other heart people all were destined to die that day... plus the suicides definitely more than the woman’s death are on Trumps lengthy list of kills there would be no cult with members wearing Jeb! or Kasich capes & flying huge flags on their pickups whipped up into any frenzies with baseless claims of massive fraud... Trump was the root cause as even McConnell agreed (& as is obvious)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 20:42:21 ...not that deaths are what make Jan 6 terrible... that’s Fox News’ narrative that as they weren’t killing people it was no big deal... a standard they didn’t apply elsewhere
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 30 21:41:49 here’s General Flynn endorsing a cult member’s wish for a military coup (and that’s recent video, not back when they were hoping for a military coup on Inauguration day) http://twitter.com/mc_hyperbole/status/1399129297240084489 the cult is a problem, and the leader is still active in his spider hole
Habebe Member	Mon May 31 02:31:03 http://www...tests-19-dead/?sh=21df804f4de4 TikTok's 7 Highest-Earning Stars Here are the 7 highest-earning TikTok stars of the year. Play Video Player Information About Brightcove TOPLINE Topline: Though curfews are lifting and protests remain predominantly peaceful, the death toll from two weeks of demonstrations over the death of George Floyd continues to creep upward, with at least 19 people—a majority of whom are black—now dead. KEY FACTS Calvin L. Horton Jr., 43, Minnesota: Horton was fatally shot near the Minneapolis Police Department’s Third Precinct two days after Floyd’s death in what is believed to be the first killing since the protests began. Javar Harrell, 21, Michigan: Harrell was shot May 29 as protests erupted in Detroit; his family has said that he was not protesting and it’s not clear whether his death is connected to the protests. Dave Patrick Underwood, 53, California: Underwood was shot May 30 while on guard duty outside a federal courthouse in Oakland and was one of two officers targeted in a drive-by shooting amid nearby protests. James Scurlock, 22, Nebraska: A violent encounter with a white bar owner, Jake Gardner, during a protest in Omaha on May 30 led to the death of 22-year-old Scurlock, who is black. Surveillance footage shows Scurlock jumping on Gardner; the Douglas County Attorney’s Office determined that Garner acted in self-defense and he will not face charges. Barry Perkins, 29, Missouri: The St. Louis resident was reportedly run over and killed by a FedEx truck while attending a protest on May 30. Chris Beaty, 38, Indiana: Just a few feet from his apartment, the former Indiana University football player and local business owner was killed on May 30 amid unrest in Indianapolis. Dorian Murrell, 18, Indiana: Only a few hours after Beaty’s death, Murrell was fatally wounded in an early morning shooting on May 31. Italia Kelly, 22, Iowa: Kelly was shot and killed around midnight on May 31 while leaving a protest outside a Walmart in Davenport, Iowa. Marquis M. Tousant, 23, Iowa: Tousant was found dead at the same scene as Kelly, outside the Davenport Walmart, where authorities say a police ambush unfolded. Marvin Francois, 50, Missouri: Francois was fatally shot after a protest in Kansas City on May 31, with police reporting his killers were three men attempting to steal his car. John Tiggs, 32, Illinois: Tiggs was fatally struck in the abdomen by shots fired inside a Metro PCS during lootings in the South Side of Chicago on May 31. David McAtee, 53, Kentucky: McAtee was shot on the morning of June 1 as National Guard troops and local police tried to disperse crowds of protestors in Louisville; his death led to the immediate firing of Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad, as two of the officers involved in the shooting had not activated body cameras. Jose Gutierrez, 28, Illinois: Gutierrez was shot on June 1 in the Chicago suburb of Cicero, where unrest and looting led the city to declare a state of emergency. Victor Cazares Jr., 27, Illinois: Cazares was killed by a shot to the head in Cicero in a separate incident on the same day; both deaths have been ruled as homicides. Jorge Gomez, 25, Las Vegas: Gomez was shot by officers during a protest that turned violent on June 1; Gomez was armed and allegedly pulled a gun at officers. David Dorn, 77, Missouri: The retired St. Louis police captain was killed by people looting a pawn shop after midnight on June 2, according to authorities. Robert Forbes, 55, California: Forbes died on June 6, a few days after he was struck by a car while peacefully protesting in California City. Two unidentified males died in Philadelphia on the night of June 2; one suspected looter was killed by the owner of a gun shop and the other was killed trying to blow up an ATM on the sidewalk. KEY BACKGROUND In addition to these 19 known fatalities, the past two weeks have seen numerous violent encounters between police and protesters—with both sides sustaining serious injuries. Protesters have been seriously injured by the use of nonlethal weapons and physical violence while a number of police officers are also recovering from injuries from shootings, stabbings, and objects thrown at them during protests. The majority of those fatally caught in the crossfire of protests are black males.
Habebe Member	Mon May 31 02:55:53 That was just 2 weeks btw.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 31 12:25:06 "Robert Forbes, 55, California: Forbes died on June 6, a few days after he was struck by a car while peacefully protesting in California City" (& not a case of a mob attacking cars) so, how does that count ------ "David Dorn" via wikipedia "In the early hours of June 2, 2020, David Dorn, a 77-year-old retired police captain, was fatally shot after interrupting the burglary of a pawn shop in The Ville, St. Louis.[2] The incident occurred on the same night as protests in St. Louis, Missouri over the killing of George Floyd. However, the protests were several miles away and had disbanded a few hours earlier near the Metropolitan Police Headquarters downtown after clashes between police and a few remaining agitators turned violent." so could be completely separate ----- many of those incidents aren't about the actual protests, just individuals afterwards or who happen to be in the vicinity (& not sure how investigating any of them would yield some broadly useful information, not one of them seems to be about BLM specifically)
nhill Member	Mon May 31 13:38:17 självklart. de viktiga sakerna att veta!
nhill Member	Mon May 31 13:38:42 Err wrong thread
Habebe Member	Mon May 31 13:52:53 TW, Several of those deaths were just loosely related accidents, sure. But not all were, and this was just 14 days, its probably considerably higher.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 31 15:15:40 urban youth shooting each other is what they do whether protests going on or not... plus a car-jacking & other criminal activity up there that goes on regardless the only typical violence toward people by the protests/riots was throwing things at police lines i'm not sure which argument we're in, but Jan 6th violence toward people was clearly a worse level as they did that plus much more hand-to-hand mob assault on cops is a major step up on the scale & we don't know what they might've done to various congresspeople if they found them... they bashed cops w/ melee weapons, but AOC, Ilhan Omar, Pelosi, even Pence could've walked by each one of them without fear? (& they were looking for various ones of them by name) put it this way... would you have preferred the BLM mobs behaved like Trump's mob each incident rather than how they did? (fighting & smashing their way into occupied buildings, with major hostility toward the occupants, & trashing the place when unable to locate them) -maybe- for a couple of the worst burning/looting nights? (if you weren't someone inside a building being stormed by the violent angry cultists)... definitely not in general... (& certainly not for the bulk of protests which were indeed peaceful)
Habebe Member	Mon May 31 15:43:18 Trumps had rallies all the time, one turned violent. Young urban youths=Black males between 16-35. Again, you and I and most people.condemn such acts, regardless of political views/affiliation, so this seems.relativle silly. My one.concern out of this all.w.as that even when it was apparent the problems stemming from such protests many politicians still encouraged them during a pandemic, that just seems overtly reckless.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jun 01 02:40:16 [tw]: "there is no investigation that would satisfy Trump & therefore not his cult, anyone honestly disagree?" Yes, I disagree. .. [tw]: "is Trump going to accept any audit showing no mass fraud? he hasn't so far There have not been any full impartial audits yet. The Arizona audit is still underway, and since the DNC has not controlled it (yet?), DNC is getting its propagandists (e.g., Rachel Maddow) to ask for Biden's DOJ to intervene (i.e., before wrong-doing is exposed). You'll know whether the DNC is worried based on how important an audit is to the propagandists. Around May 26th, Maddow was down-playing the audit ( http://www...-worse-trump-realizes-n1268655 ). A day later, she said that Arizona is "the "most important" story in the entire world right now" ( http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rachel-maddow-2020-election-audits-runaway-train-biden-doj-intervention ). Once she gets bored with it, you'll know that the DNC got federal control of it, similar to how John Oliver cared about Dominion security up until the DNC got control of it. But, as of five hours ago, the audit is half-way done. .. [tw]: "and if anyone is thinking of disagreeing about Trump... listen to his treasonous call to the GA secretary of state..." Did you listen to the selectively edited CNN version, or the full version? Full audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJU3M-kKhI Full transcript: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html .. [tw]: "as i noted before, every respectable R left should be sending 'thank you' notes to Twitter & Facebook daily," That would be the most poisonous thing they could do; they would be aligning with the DNC insurrectionists who used BigTech to silence a sitting president. They would be agreeing that DNC media can flex its powers without opposition simply because it supports their tribalist sickness and their "There is no truth but power" mantra. Their glowing virtue is only to state that the GOP *too* should have purchased all of the media and controlled the Internet so that they too could shit out of their mouths and call it truth. .. [Dukhat]: "Cherub Cow thinks the DNC is so fucking strong lol If only." Like has been pointed out, they certainly have the larger market share of control, and their plan is to continue using DNC media to create low-information citizens who will allow them to seize further control via the wish list above. And "if only" shows that you're on board with it: perhaps you want them to abolish the Electoral College, break apart the Constitution, and cross other items of their wish list because you think that no one should stand in the way of the DNC's will to power. .. [tw]: "the singular Trump violent seditionist cult attack is more significant than any singular BLM-related riot (& had more injuries & deaths) & the Capitol being breached & trashed w/ actual attacking -through- cops, especially while Congress in session & doing business (making it sedition by its definition), is more significant than retail looting" This is a false narrative. Pushing through cops was done at many of the individual BLM riots. This is fact. There are thousands of videos of BLM rioters confronting lines of police, night after night in the same cities in pure violence condoned and instigated by DNC media and the corporate DNC insurrectionists. .. [tw]: "but what do you even expect a congressional panel to figure out?" A Congressional panel could look into the direct funding by the DNC and DNC law-makers to anarchist groups and BLM. A well-funded panel could show that the DNC did in fact instigate these mobs, bail them out, adjust laws which favored further riots, infiltrated and manipulated and funded the scientific community into saying that "racial justice" (i.e., more rioting) was more important than the threat of COVID from forming large groups, and that the DNC used political violence and threats of more of it for political expediency. .. [tw]: "but throwing ALL of those incidents into the Jan 6th panel obviously is not a good faith request..." It forces the DNC to come to terms with the lack of good faith in their own request. It forces the DNC to admit that they do not want to investigate true wrong-doing, they just want to exploit the optics of January 6th and trick more low-information citizens into further polarization to assure that these citizens vote party line in 2022 and beyond. If a panel for January 6th were coupled with a panel to investigate 2020 election meddling and riots, the DNC would suddenly use words like "witch hunt" and "no evidence" and shy away at the idea that their own flawed terms of an "insurrection" and "sedition" make them look a thousand times worse. So they will not do it. You will not see them advocate for a policy which does not benefit them asymmetrically while burying their own misdeeds in a poof of double standards. .. [Dukhat]: "He was sprayed by insurrectionists and also constantly engaged the previous day. [/] Fucking cuckservatives hate context. It ruins their lies." Ironic, since the Medical Examiner (ME) said that those were *not* the primary factors. The ME **examined the context** and concluded that it was indeed natural causes — that the officer's pre-existing conditions overruled any of the events of the previous day, as Habebe pointed out. .. [tw]: "and I bet Kyle Rittenhouse responsible for the deadliest BLM-related incident" That was not the deadliest BLM-related incident. Rittenhouse killed two people in self defense after those people instigated attacks against him (i.e., the argument is all too readily obvious that BLM and its insurrectionist rioters caused the deaths in the Rittenhouse case), while in other BLM events people were executed in the street without any affinity for self defense. .. [tw]: "and there seems an odd number of ‘natural’ deaths Jan 6 plus the suicides, so feels like >1 to me" "Feels like" is disingenuous. The facts cannot be altered: only one person died directly because of the events at the Capitol, and she was shot by a Capitol officer who will not be prosecuted. .. [Hrothgar]: "Cherub Cow proving part of my point by referring to any judge that disagrees with the Trump narrative as if they are a DNC stooge." Care to list the judges, their political affiliations, who appointed them, and their ruling arguments? I'm sure you don't need them, since the narrative will remain more important in your mind than the political reality of DNC-leaning judges who did in fact rule against the evidence — almost like partisan judges do in fact exist and have become an accepted political practice for *decades*.. but you'll today pretend this argument is invalid because Trump said it? .. [tw]: "there would be no cult with members wearing Jeb! or Kasich capes & flying huge flags on their pickups whipped up into any frenzies with baseless claims of massive fraud... Trump was the root cause as even McConnell agreed (& as is obvious)" Which came first, the pickups whipped into frenzies or the mobs of BLM rioters who were sprayed by those pickups? Oh yeah, the BLM mobs. And who instigated the mobs? Oh yeah, DNC insurrectionists via their corporate DNC media towers. And who propagated the lie of "baseless claims of massive fraud" despite doing no research into the claims themselves? Oh yeah, DNC media. And to whom is McConnell beholden? His voters? His conscience? No. He is the GOP's version of Pelosi: an establishment virus who will tell any lie that he needs to if it pleases his corporate donors. If we pretend that McConnell suddenly had credibility despite his lengthy career as a political opportunist just because he aligned with DNC talking points for a day, then we have sacrificed all truth for the sake of tribalism. .. [tw]: "...not that deaths are what make Jan 6 terrible... that’s Fox News’ narrative that as they weren’t killing people it was no big deal.." Do I need to list all the DNC articles that were most concerned with the "Deadly" Capitol "insurrection" again? "Deadly" was a *huge* talking point for the DNC. They *wanted* those people to have been killed. They needed that narrative, ran with it before the dust cleared, and got amnesia when the evidence arrived. .. [tw]: "many of those incidents aren't about the actual protests, just individuals afterwards or who happen to be in the vicinity" Hmm.. sounds familiar.. that sounds like an argument that someone could make to point out that the Capitol event was not "Deadly" and that the deaths that took place were not about the actual protests — with the exception of the one person who was shot by a Capitol Officer after she scaled a barrier. .. [tw]: "i'm not sure which argument we're in, but Jan 6th violence toward people was clearly a worse level as they did that plus much more" "would you have preferred the BLM mobs behaved like Trump's mob each incident rather than how they did?" I don't recall the January 6th violence taking place over the course of multiple days (BLM checks this box), with explosives/IEDs repeatedly set off in order to maim and burn police guarding federal property (BLM checks this box), with fires set in order to burn alive the police inside (BLM checks this box). Strange. Almost like one was clearly worse and that BLM mobs did indeed behave "like Trump's mob" except times a thousand and taken into the depths of insanity. .. [tw]: "they bashed cops w/ melee weapons, but AOC, Ilhan Omar, Pelosi, even Pence could've walked by each one of them without fear? (& they were looking for various ones of them by name)" And they could have flown to the moon if they had a space ship.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jun 01 06:41:32 Cherub Cow’s social media feed must be a joy to read. Who knew that antifa and blm and the dnc were so devious and clever?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jun 01 06:53:28 What social media feed? This forum? And BLM and Antifa do not need to be "clever", nor does DNC media itself. The DNC has its wish list, they disseminate that wish list via DNC media, they fund and recruit candidates who read the party line, and they push for popular/widespread adherence through media manipulation. BLM and Antifa represent vanguards: useful idiots who carry water for DNC politics but who will be ground under the wheels and see no access to the upper machinery. It is to the DNC's advantage to continue their racialist strategy of tormenting the proles while pretending to be their salvation.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 01 12:10:17 Trump will NOT accept any audit not showing mass fraud... i hope you are disagreeing just some of his cult maybe splitting from him The Arizona audit is somewhat of a joke... the hired company has no experience & the CEO had posted he expects hundreds of thousands of fraud votes before it started plus testified for Trump. And there is known Trump loyalists doing the counting, including being spotted w/ blue pens against rules (if anyone didn't vote for a prez due to hating both, they could now be Trump voters). Plus looking for bamboo fibers in ballots because of a baseless claim of a box of ballots from Asia, & other weird shit... & one of the R women running it was shocked anyone would say OAN not credible. As for Raffensberger call you'll have to direct me to where Trump ever accepts any of Raffensberger's disagreements (when he actually looked into it) vs Trump's crap that has no basis. And as for R's being thankful Trump is somewhat silenced... i noticed Fox News made a tweet/article out of Trump's celebration of troops for Memorial Day... yet of course they don't point out all his bullshit about mass #'s of dead voters being found or implying he still could win in NH, MI, AZ, GA & that Dems caught, etc. And all his minions in Congress who say he's the leader aren't repeating his claims either. All being kargens just pretending he only does the few positives & not the heaps of negatives. --- Trump's mob did more than 'push through' cops, they beat them with weapons until they surrendered the area & w/ the purpose of getting to the people inside... i'm unaware of any similar BLM incident --- And we'll just have to disagree on all the rest, i'm sure nothing i said so far or after would change anything :p
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 01 12:14:31 -if- the AZ audit miraculously is done honestly, the most likely outcome is they find a few minor issues that couldn't possibly change the outcome, but Trump will lie about being way more massive (as he does ALL the time) & his cult will believe him although... if Fox News doesn't tell people what Trump is saying, it will help split cult members
Rugian Member	Tue Jun 01 12:14:59
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 01 12:37:36 feel free to go on the record if you think Trump will accept results of an audit not showing mass fraud (him accepting the results while lying that the results are completely different than what they are doesn't count) ------ a follow-up to disgraced Gen Flynn... he claims he was saying: "There is no reason it (coup) should happen here in America, No reason." i guess hoping people only look at the transcript (same has happened w/ Trump before) & not how the words were said which is definitely "No reason. It _should_ happen here" (to a 'why can't a Myanmar coup happen here?') (& there are multiple videos of it, it's not manipulated... plus it's obvious he's not opposing the cheering crowd)
Rugian Member	Tue Jun 01 13:32:00 I think the Democratic Party at large spent four years undermining the public's trust of the 2016 elections, declaring Trump to be an "illegitimate" president, insinuating that he was a puppet of Vladimir Putin, and engaging a "Resistance" movement to fight him. And their messaging resonated with their base. Over 40% of Democratic voters believed the 2016 election was rigged. http://tod...6/poll-results-rigged-election Trump's denial of the results is not acceptable, sure. But he's hardly acting without precedent there.
habebe Member	Tue Jun 01 13:37:28 Isn't denying a loss how Stacey Abrams came into power?
Rugian Member	Tue Jun 01 13:50:43 And she STILL denies it, to this day. And SHE'S a national hero, at least as the press tells it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 01 14:15:11 Trump didn't believe 2016 either... 3 to 5 million fraud votes (every single one for Hillary) & was claiming rigging BEFORE the 2016 election took place, so no he's not reacting to anything Dems did & no the Dem party didn't spend 4 years undermining trust of the elections, Russian interference was not claimed to be manipulating vote totals (but yes, you could find people who believe they did as hacking election systems was part of their attack on us that Trump helped defend)... whereas Trump is trying to destroy all faith in the voting process itself ...has anyone found the "Breaking News!" of "Massive numbers of dead people “voted” in the 2020 Presidential Election, far greater than anyone has known or seen before."? the DNC really good at keeping all news outlets from revealing it, except for Trump's secret outlet only he can see for some reason & Trump claimed 5,000 dead voters in GA, Raffensperger said 2 (& we know Lindsey Graham asked Trump campaign to provide evidence of ANY of their claims & they couldn't for some reason)... well, we've had months since election w/ plenty of Trump cultists & OAN-type outlets out there who would be looking... so how many hundreds/thousands have they shown so far?
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