Utopia Talk / Politics / RIP Keystone pipeline

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Jun 10 00:15:31 TC Energy officially surrendered and said they give up for good. Very good idea.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Jun 10 00:15:50 idea=day
patom Member	Thu Jun 10 04:33:24 It's only a couple of hundred miles further to the Irving Refinery in Saint John NB, and a hell of a lot closer to the west coast of Canada. Why put our aquafers in danger. Let Canada take the risks.
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 10 05:59:19 So Biden managed to get a major energy pipeline for America killed...but he meanwhile supports Russia building its own energy pipelines: "May 19, 2021 WASHINGTON — The Biden administration has decided to waive sanctions against the company overseeing the construction of Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany, despite bipartisan opposition in Congress and appeals from Eastern European governments. Republican lawmakers immediately accused the administration of handing Russian President Vladimir Putin a major political victory. Democrats urged the White House to reconsider, and the Kremlin called the news a "positive signal."" http://www...g-sanctions-russian-gas-n12679 What sort of kompromat does Putin have on Joe Biden? Why does he support Russia's interests even as he undermines America's?
Paramount Member	Thu Jun 10 06:50:23 ” Republican lawmakers immediately accused the administration of handing Russian President Vladimir Putin a major political victory. ” So the Republicans are anti-Russian now, all of a sudden? lol
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 10 07:33:15 In terms of actual policy, the Trump administration was far harder on Russia than Comrade Biden.
Dukhat Member	Thu Jun 10 11:01:30 So hard, basically conceding all of Syria and our allies to them and ignoring all of his human rights abuses. Fucking retard. I'm happy your dad is dead. It means you're next.
patom Member	Thu Jun 10 11:07:09 Rugian, what makes you think that pipeline was going to benefit our oil supplies? Once that shale oil is refined it can go anywhere in the world out of Texas. It's Canadian Oil. When did the US get to approve or deny European pipe lines?
RepublicanRetard Member	Thu Jun 10 11:45:28 DRILL BABY DRILL
Forwyn Member	Thu Jun 10 11:52:57 "basically conceding all of Syria" When was Syria ever ours to concede, Cuckhat?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 10 12:30:36 Blinken schooling Sen Johnson on Nordstream http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1402345919484293121 Blinken: as a very practical matter, with inheriting a pipeline that was 95% complete, none of the... Johnson: We stopped it the last time Blinken: No, in fact we didn’t, by definition (w/ a bit of googling, seems accurate in it being nearly done) whereas Keystone not far along at all
Forwyn Member	Thu Jun 10 14:10:45 London — Switzerland-based Allseas -- which has been integral to laying the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany -- has suspended pipelaying activity after US President Donald Trump signed new sanctions into law late Friday, the company said Saturday. http://www...nds-operations-on-us-sanctions
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 10 21:35:29 and construction resumed while still under Trump and Trump vetoed the bill that had new sanctions in Dec 2020 as the bill didn't repeal Section 230, an issue which had zero relation to the bill, but Trump's limited brain only considers his personal issues... always (& repealing Section 230 would not even have solved any of his personal issues, but he's also a fucking moron)
Forwyn Member	Fri Jun 11 14:52:41 So it stopped for a year?
hood Member	Fri Jun 11 14:56:53 Delay != stop
Forwyn Member	Fri Jun 11 15:15:51 lol
Habebe Member	Sun Jun 13 09:58:52 Biden nixes a US CA pipeline and gives the OK to a Russian....but somehow half the country still thinks Trump was the pro Russian potus.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jun 13 11:58:53 Trump touted/praised/defended Putin/Russia (including on all acts against us) all campaign/all presidency/still currently & somehow a large portion of the country can't tell he's pro-Russia & Trump did more to stop the latest sanctions than anyone by vetoing that last bill (not that it was likely his reason, i'm sure he knew nothing about the bill just that his petty ill-informed wishes not in it)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jun 13 12:00:35 actually, not accurate... Habebe can't tell he's pro-Russia... he's actually turning the cult into being pro-Russia too so they are fine w/ him siding w/ Russia over us
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jun 13 12:10:35 Chris Wallace noticed... at least some of it... http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1404077519385530377 and note Pompeo has no defense for Trump at all, just a lie that they would've stopped pipeline
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 13 12:46:50 More historic revisionism from tw. What a fucking surprise.
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 13 13:08:10 The fact of the matter is that the Trump administration routinely took action against Russia, in the form of sanctions, providing military aid to Ukraine, punishing countries that did business with Russia, etc. But tw ignores all of that, because CNN intentionally distorted its coverage of Russia-US relations over the past four years to make it seems like it was nothing but Russiagate (fake news), Russian bounties on US soldiers (more fake news), and Trump getting along with Putin on a personal level (neat, but irrelevant when compared to actual policies implemented by Trump). And let's put this all in context - despite all the bleating by the media, Russia is *not* even America's #1 enemy...that's China. Trump was absolutely right on that front, and Biden is a Sinophiliac retard for thinking otherwise. Why don't you get off CNN and Twitter for a while (don't think I didn't see that fucking Aaron Rupar link) and maybe spend half an hour reading up on what Trump Trump *actually* did vis a vis Russia during his time in office. There are plenty of professional journal articles which cover this in depth. But no, you'd prefer to have Don Lemon feed you lazy talking points instead. Pathetic.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jun 13 16:40:57 "the Trump administration routinely took action against Russia" i don't care what the administration did... they were practically separate entities ------- "But tw ignores all of that, because CNN intentionally distorted its coverage of Russia-US relations" has absolutely nothing to do w/ CNN... show me Trump criticizing Russia, show me ONE TIME Trump advocated for sanctions against Russia... & not only was there never criticism, he actively defends, reflexively defends™... he just admitted he in fact -was- siding w/ Putin at Helsinki & defended the choice (thus lied to all our faces in two ways in his obvious lie 'correction', but your side accepted it... & should be outraged now of course, but won't be one bit) ----- "enemy... that's China. Trump was absolutely right on that front" sigh... Chris Christie: “I think the biggest failing vis-à-vis China from Trump administration was admiration regularly expressed by President Trump for President Xi. He never earned it. He didn’t deserve it, it sent the wrong message to the American people.” Trump was NOT hard on China either... however also not relevant who is a bigger enemy, Trump siding with one enemy on all issues is notable... a huge deal in fact (not one care about election interference, not one care about cyber attacks, not one care about poisonings, not one care about the various reckless military maneuvers Russia did around our craft... -any- of which would've earned all-caps tweets by him normally, even just from hearing it on news channels... which was the only place he'd hear anything) ----- "Why don't you... reading up on what Trump *actually* did vis a vis Russia..." & you read up on what Trump actually -said- (Trump loved talking falsely about ALL his alleged)... but PLEASE show me otherwise, & when his admin did something to Russia, show me Trump supporting it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jun 13 16:47:17 your media -hides- what Trump says... or re-words it... i read it/see it right from the source it's entirely clear any time i engage w/ a Trump defender that they have no idea what he actually says regularly if Trump was tough on Russia, there'd be evidence, -lots- of it, from -him-... we only have the opposite
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 01:55:38 " i don't care what the administration did..." And this is why its futile to argue anything like this with you. You didnt like Trump.because he was a crass asshole ( he is ) but you can't rationally discuss such an issue. No matter the circumstance you will change the standard at which its measured and he is wrong for the the reason of "Its Trump" A more rational person I think* can look at Trump and say, yes he is a crass asshole with arguably corrosive language but still see that this "The opposite of Trump is always better and true" is very damaging on its own. Many recent issues have come to light that Trump was actually right or at least more right than most and yet he was demonized for his speech and Actions just because he was Trump regardless of the position/issue, russiagate(s), lab leak are the big two. We have gone over Muh Russia, the only thing that was true was that Trump said nice things about Russia, said things they were accused of didnt happen, which they didn't. And a handfull of guys on his team avoided paying taxes....no one who voted for him had no expectation that he didn't associate with tax cheats. Im sure plenty of politicians have hired tax cheats or worse ( like how many congressmen/women likley insider trade?)
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 02:05:08 "it's entirely clear any time i engage w/ a Trump defender that they have no idea what he actually says regularly" Most importantly Trump. " if Trump was tough on Russia, there'd be evidence, -lots- of it, from -him-... we only have the opposite" Im not sure why words are more important to you than actions. Nordstream 2 effectivley doubles NG exports to Europe.Considering about 80% of the russian government is funded through oil and gas, thats a HUGE*** deal. Not to mention pushing doe the US to pump more petrol , taking more $ away from them.He even got the Euros to.finally spend more on NATO! What has Biden done? He got rid of the sanctions and gabe Nordstream2 the thumbs up.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 02:05:43 Also didnt Trump arm the Ukrainians and the poles?
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 14 02:23:45 "it's entirely clear any time i engage w/ a Trump defender that they have no idea what he actually says regularly" Like when you eagerly ate that spoonfed bureaucrat line that pipeline construction was never stopped? lol
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 04:25:07 ^I think many if notnmost Trump supporters actually watch and listen to Trump regularly. Now, the guy talks ALOT, no one can keep up with everything he says, not even Trump.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 14 12:11:25 "you will change the standard" i'm not changing standards... it was clear from the beginning Trump was separate from his admin... same for his campaign team for that matter he contradicted both regularly, there was even one point in campaign he said 'if it doesn't come from me, it's not real' or something when he contradicted a member... & not shocking it happened often as he's a fucking moron child who doesn't listen to briefings, & has active disdain for experts or anyone intelligent (probably as they make him feel ignorant, which he is) ---------- "the only thing that was true was that Trump said nice things about Russia, said things they were accused of didnt happen, which they didn't" wrong... but it doesn't matter how many times other things pointed out, all of you stick to your positions kargen thinks i only hate him because he's crass (how many of my complaints have been on that?) Rugian thinks because he's allegedly conservative, & you can't ever see any of the crazy unfit Russia shit & see equivalence everywhere ----------------- "why words are more important to you than actions" because words are what he did... watch TV, say or tweet words (really often) & golf... did he make it unclear he was unhappy w/ any ally or Iran for example? why is his Russia outrage all completely hidden? his complete disengagement w/ his administration was obvious. his issues were what he saw on Fox opinion shows (kneeling athletes, other nonsense) or just personal grievances ---------- "spend more on NATO" this is more ridiculous idiocy of his... his ONLY interest in that originally was he thought the money came to us, he said it repeatedly... and he STILL doesn't understand it, which is pathetic. And the agreement to spend more came under OBAMA, at best he sped them up on increasing spending & only because he misunderstood... plus he did NOTHING w/ the benefit, like LOWERING our spending, that never even occurred to him, only raising ours. -------------- Nordstream was under construction when Biden took over, thus not stopped... no one seems to be disagreeing w/ the 90-95% done assessment, what are the odds they'd just abandon it now no matter what Biden did? But i'm mostly 'debating' the ridiculous notion that Trump was tough on Russia (& that he was doing all this other shit he wasn't doing... like on Fox claiming Trump was laser focused on cyber security after the oil ransomware attack thus implying he w/ his butt-dialing clown cyber security advisor [Giuliani] would've stopped it... give me a fucking break) why on Earth Fox is trying to keep propping him up as a good choice for 2024 is beyond me
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 14:03:07 "wrong... but it doesn't matter how many times other things pointed out, all of you stick to your positions" We have gone over this, you seem relatively disinterested that he hired tax cheats, but you dwell on "Trump routinely "sided" with Russia, even over US Intel"_TW ( paraphrased. However we have been through this and mote often than not Trump was right. You then seemed to argue that IF he was right it was by sheer coincidence and he based it on no actual information. That's the gist of your argument, yes? That's atleast what I have remembered. "because words are what he did... watch TV, say or tweet words (really often) & golf... did he make it unclear he was unhappy w/ any ally or Iran for example? why is his Russia outrage all completely hidden?" What is hidden? If you go even by just his words he says he was far tougher on Russia than Obama ever was, and honestly Obama was tougher than Biden has been, Biden is oddly cozy with Russia considering all of his rhetoric to the contrary. As for NATO, it does end up benefiting the US for them tonsoend more on military. 1. Its less we would habe to contribute for the same effect, even though generally we will just spend more anyway, it still helps. 2. Often US companies get contracts for said equipment.We are one of if not the largest sellers of military equipment. You seem to be contradicting yourself, on one hand you say he was totally disengaged with his administration and on the other you claimed henhad an undue influence pressuring cabinet members and scientists, which is it?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 14 17:58:50 "That's the gist of your argument, yes?" re Russia: -you- said: "the only thing that was true was that Trump said nice things about Russia, said things they were accused of didnt happen, which they didn't" no... no... irritatingly no... are you saying they've been cleared of election interference? the poisonings? they haven't even been cleared of bounties but you won't listen there either & that one doesn't matter if they get cleared as his knee-jerk reaction was calling it a NY Times hoax, which -has- been disproven (& fucking crazy to say to the world as a world leader) Trump defended Russia continuously on interference culminating in Helsinki where he sided w/ them against our people... his propaganda team & allies found that a bridge too far & he 'corrected' it by lying that he didn't mean it & said a word wrong & did believe it... now he's saying yeah, i trusted Putin over -everyone- on our side because our people are awful (naming his enemies, but far from the only ones who made the conclusion, plus there is no evidence of corrupt behavior by any of them) thus admitting he lied to EVERYONE including his propaganda team & allies (& the American populace) to get them to forgive them. you -HAVE- to have a problem w/ at least 1 element of that... (in reality, every aspect of it is fucking insane)... even if you think Russia only did facebook ads, even if you think our intel agencies are totally corrupt... you still -HAVE- to have a problem in there somewhere ---------- "he says he was far tougher on Russia than Obama ever was" yep... since everyone notes he was Putin's puppy, he tries to defend himself by claiming he was tough (including occasionally lists the things his propaganda team reported his administration did to also defend him) yet, NEVER any public support by him for ANY of it beforehand or when it happened... plus CONSTANT DEFENSE of Putin/Russia on EVERYTHING... there is NO WAY -he- was tough on Russia ------ some of the evidence he knew nothing: -he knew no details about any of the R healthcare plans... there was at least 3, with significant differences... he even told R's not to worry about the details & just pass something (details are really important -before- passing) -he couldn't answer even basic questions about the 'peace' deals -he spoke about the Iran deal constantly, never once knew an accurate detail, just the same 2 pieces of wrong info over & over & over & over -NATO: if he was so interested in it, why can he STILL not understand the SIMPLE concept of spending a % of your GDP on your own military? -the 2020 R platform: he wanted it cut down to a few bullet points (presumably so he could manage to read it w/ his tiny attention span)... presumably adults didn't want baby's first party platform & figured having nothing was better -"it's going away", "we're round the corner"... who was backing him on that? what data supported it? -every other time he spoke about anything -------------- he was totally disengaged w/ the adults in his administration not sure which pressuring of cabinet members you're referring to, but his pressuring of scientists (if you mean on covid) was out in the open... not having ANY experts from coming on stage w/ him in the latter half (as they tended to not back him, as everything he said was made-up), preventing Fauci & others from doing interviews, smearing the FDA, & he had minions pressuring the CDC on his behalf... not based on data, just his decision the pandemic was over last May (2020), so he was going to lie to us the rest of the time & of course demonstrate a poor example continuously
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 14 19:05:28 ...and everyone -should- have a problem w/ his continued claims of rampant mass election fraud (w/ zero incidents established), or all his other smears of American institutions (always entirely for his personal reasons & not based on evidence)
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 19:07:51 "no... no... irritatingly no... are you saying they've been cleared of election interference? the poisonings? they haven't even been cleared of bounties but you won't listen there either" You seem to be confusing Trump and Russia. Trump has been the most investigated man in all of history and he had been cleared of colluding with Russia. Trump never poisoned anyone AFAIK. The bounties was the word of one or several Taliban fighters for the entirety of the evidence. There is more evidence that Hillary has murdered dozens of people than Russia placed bounties on US soldiers.Russia is a poor country, it doesn't even make sense.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 19:36:15 "yet, NEVER any public support by him for ANY of it beforehand or when it happened... " Nordstream and NATO he spole a lot about. Not sure if he talked about selling weapons to Ukraine and Poland though. Now your argument there is that he did these things for different reasons or had nothing to do with them.But that just seems silly to think he had no influence over those actions, like most presidents. Yes, he was wrong about much of Covid, it lasted longer than he thought. Many people were, even fauci made shit up because he thought it was a noble lie (PPE). Alot of people were wrong. Many of those who "followed the science" really just followed media narratives, how is that better than Trump saying he thinks its likley to end by summer, he never said it was anything more than estimation
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 14 21:47:27 "You seem to be confusing Trump and Russia" no... the only confusion here is between collusion & interference. EVERYONE in our gov't (R's, D's, intel, etc) concluded Russia interfered... however Trump continuously cast doubt on the conclusions (including on the world stage) then finally it bothered even his own people when siding w/ Putin in Helsinki (on -interference-). To which he lied to all of us & said a misunderstanding (which was clear to anyone at the time who didn't have their head in the sand, yet now completely clear as he just admitted he still sides w/ Putin). so Trump siding w/ Putin over EVERYONE on our side, with his ONLY evidence being Putin's "strong denial" is fucking crazy & not the behavior of someone tough on Russia. And him likewise doing nothing but doubt on poisonings, or entire silence on Navalny, or deciding to smear the NY Times w/ a made-up guess on bounties, or entire silence on cyber attacks from Russia is all likewise (& those last ones don't even have anything to do w/ him... so it's not 'the lil child doesn't want to admit he was helped in election')... he is more loyal to Russia than us, it is 100% obvious... -why- is not obvious. ------- "Trump has been the most investigated man in all of history and he had been cleared of colluding with Russia" Trump was not under investigation for colluding, specific members of his campaign were & for justified reasons. (& Manafort -did- collude, & Don Jr tried his best to do so, w/ Trumps knowledge). Trump was investigated for obstruction of justice, which he committed, not charged due to being president. Trump's charity investigated for being corrupt & it was. Trump's university investigated & he had to settle. Trump's building deals have multiple times been investigated for fraud & he's had to settle. Trump's taxes were investigated & minimally a large improper deduction uncovered. Trump's lawyer was investigated for illegal hush money payments Trump was involved in & was convicted Trump was investigated for extorting the Ukraine president which was confirmed. Trump was investigated for inciting a riot at the capitol which was confirmed. (57-43, w/ numerous 'not guilty's solely relying on it being for him being out of office, plus factually it's obvious why they were there & so angry) ---------------------- "Nordstream and NATO he spole a lot about" whenever he spoke of Nordstream it was to needle Germany, & he NEVER advocated sanctions on Russia (on that or any other issue)... as for NATO, again that was because he thought money coming to us, then just to needle our allies, he never said it had anything to do w/ Russia i assure you, he has absolutely nothing but love for Putin/Russia, which is why he told Biden to send his warmest regards w/ NO complaints for Biden to address w/ Russia (although he did smear France & the rest of non-Russia Europe saying they just want to take advantage of us) ---------- " he never said it was anything more than estimation " when he says "it's going away" people think it's based on something (it wasn't... ever) and most irritatingly one of the times starting in September that he said "we're rounding the corner", he pointed at the media in the back of the room & said "they hate when I say that"... YES, YES THEY DO, AS YOU COMPLETELY MADE IT UP YOU FUCKING LIAR, there was no rounding of any corner, cases were in fact on the rise at the time he started saying it he is toxic garbage.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 22:25:45 "& Manafort -did- collude, & Don Jr tried his best to do so, w/ Trumps knowledge)." I thought Manafort was convicted on fraud, tax evasion and embezzlement etc. Did I miss election fraud and collusion?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 14 23:45:57 collusion is not a crime... but Don Jr was in fact considered for a crime on it... however knowledge that what he did was wrong is unfortunately one element of the crime (which would be hard to prove, especially for a Trump) & it was decided the info Jr got was not valuable enough however, collusion has no relevance here -everyone concluded Russia interfered -yet Trump defended them to the last -on interference-, including smearing our side (crazy in itself, also crazy that he had -nothing- supporting his position) -Trump's allies finally had enough at Helsinki, but instead of some apology (or appropriate resignation), Trump went w/ lying to everyone which he has now confirmed how can you not have a problem in there somewhere
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 23:56:21 Collusion to commit what? Bank fraud and. Such?
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 14 23:58:00 TW, And how was it different when Biden called Trump racist/xenophobic against China, wasn't Biden siding with China over our own president?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 15 15:32:12 Jr's crime i believe was about illegal foreign donation or some such... & if Russia hadn't disappointed the Trumps, Jr would've satisfied every element of the crime except knowledge it was wrong (& Trumps will never know anything at all is wrong as they are amoral) =========== for China... do you really see no difference? a) siding against Trump should be standard practice b) also, siding against one moron is different than siding against EVERYONE in our gov't (all the way down to & including Devin Nunes, a loyal Trump capo) plus the xenophobic shit wasn't about whether China responsible, it was about stoking anti-asian hate crimes (which DID rise, not only because of him but he certainly didn't help) w/ terms like "kung flu" which is not some natural name a world leader should be tossing out
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 15 18:02:52 Trump was supported by his administration and about half of the Congress. The difference really comes downntonit was Trump instead of a Democrat.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 15 19:08:52 what are you talking about... everyone. everyone. everyone. concluded Russia interfered (even Devin Nunes) everyone except Trump... who felt Putin's "strong denial" was better than everyone on our side (& it was investigated by many different entities on our side... the side a real president would side with) you won't even find Kellyanne Conway or his PoS press secretaries agreeing w/ Trump on it (they'll all lie that Trump agreed Russia interfered) & every now and then, after enough bad press from his frequent casting doubt, they got him, like pulling teeth, to say "maybe it was Russia" but then basically 100% of the time he would follow it with "but could've been many others"... you could sense the facepalms of his handlers
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 15 20:21:18 I meant with the China bit. When you said Trump was just one guy, not "US". I oppose the idea that you shouldn't disagree with Intel agencies or the government consesus. You seem to think Trump "sided with Russia" because of some fondness for Putin. I think more realistically, since the left had run a campaign of witch hunts against Trump and often threw out Russian conspiracy theories alongside it, so his instinct was to call it fake news because it often was. I realize you and I differ on the definition of what is or is not fake news with varying amounts of evidence etc. I'm fine just agreeing to disagree on that part.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 15 21:24:49 Trump wasn’t calling it the Chinese virus/ Kung flu in relation to claiming it came from the lab... why would that be xenophobic? And their defense wasn’t ‘heres our evidence it came from the lab’... their defense was ‘what about the Spanish flu?’ or ‘here’s media calling it Wuhan virus too’ (citing Feb articles)... yes, media called it that too as it didn’t have a name and that’s where it was spreading being xenophobic wasn’t an argument of mine... childish for sure, especially when he crossed out a proper name for it to write in ‘chinese virus’... however it’s also undeniable that if you call it the Chinese virus, and simpletons are negatively affected, they occasionally assault anyone Asian-looking to let out their frustrations so there is absolutely nothing similar here, Biden wasn’t disagreeing with anyone of respect’s conclusions (I don’t believe there ARE any conclusions) —————— “so his instinct was to call it fake news” well that would be fine if he was a drunk in a bar... as president, disregarding -everyone- on our side is not acceptable, it’s not like he cited some minority report skeptical Russia did it, he had -nothing-. And he didn’t just disregard, he put out Russian talking points like ‘if it was the, you’d never know (as so good)’ and smeared our people to -help- them. It’s fucking crazy. Plus, again, after getting in trouble with his own allies, he claimed in a stupid pathetic lie that he misspoke one word (even though all presser he was siding with Putin -and- he had been saying the same shit all along including the line that supposedly he misspoke) and he said that he did agree Russia did it (which he had to read off paper). And that satisfied people for some reason. But a few days back he apparently forgot his correction and again defended siding with Putin. So even if you don’t care about Russia, there’s clearly some fucked up shit in there, but I’m not going to keep pressing on it... that which is extremely self-evident to me is not so to a certain portion of the population regarding this ridiculously obvious fraud... I guess it’s part of his inexplicable stuff I have to chalk up to a deal with the devil.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 15 22:06:40 more commentary on this obvious fraud & his deal w/ the devil hiding it somehow... on his Helsinki correction, he started off saying 'i got on the plane & saw all the negative coverage & was confused, then noticed i said one word wrong'... he -KNOWS- he didn't say the wrong word, he'd been saying the same thing repeatedly & he was casting doubt on our side all press conference long, fixing 1 word did nothing plus the fix didn't even make sense in context... yet he did the 1 word change as it fixed just the tiny clip that all media was using to demonstrate his treason. So that showed how casually & easily he lied to all of us... plus it was such a pathetically obvious lie, yet his allies forgave him (& most everyone really & just moved on)... so there's that mysterious deal w/ the devil. The appropriate reaction would be further offense at his pathetic obvious lie to all of us. which reminds me of when he took the Bible on stage at rallies in Bible country & told the crowd it was his favorite book so often that he then would ask the crowd 'what's my favorite book' to have them answer 'the Bible!'... so instead of being extremely offended that this obvious disgusting fraud was extremely transparently just using the Bible to get their vote (which was the easy to notice truth), they instead decided he was a 'baby Christian' trying to be a better person & thus found it adorable deal w/ the devil (i'm not religious, just am legitimately confused why people don't see thru his such obvious bullshit that he does to deliberately deceive them... or they do see thru it & just find it charming how he tries to deliberately deceive them...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRt_aTSgws&t=11s
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 15 22:20:52 see... by them saying that 'baby christian' shit, it's clear they are aware the obvious amoral fraud demonstrated no christian values yet they hear him claiming the Bible is his favorite book to them how do they square that into concluding he's trying to be a better person... & not just a totally offsensive asshole... <insert Lewis Black 'if it weren't for my horse' story/joke> ok... i'm done typing for now :p
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