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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 16 12:16:07
thread title: "Random shit but not random enough for Random News 2 thread"

(i'll try to avoid tainting that thread w/ my grievances :p)

===========

Tucker on Jan 6th chargings:

"...some of the key people haven't been charged... look at the documents. The government calls them unindicted co-conspirators. What does it mean? Well, it means that potentially in every single case, they were FBI operatives."
...
[later]
"they were almost certainly working for the FBI"

video:
http://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1404956103759302663

i mean i guess he's saved by sliding in "potentially" & "almost"...

but even later "this white supremacist insurrection was, by the gov't's own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by gov't agents"

um... where's your 'maybe' there... seems pretty declarative

he has some claims that the unindicted people did same or worse actions, nothing backed up (& Tucker's source is "questionable source" 'revolver.com' rather than doing any work himself)... there are heaps of other possible reasons to be unindicted than being FBI... it's a crazy leap

(& the 'man' i talk about occasionally was an unindicted co-conspirator...)


also, the fraudosphere has been complaining too many seditionist cultists (who committed federal crimes w/ proof of it) getting charged, but now too few i guess
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 16 21:28:08
“We need names and answers about the FBI operatives, who were involved in organizing and carrying out the Jan 6th Capitol riot.

First they had a “back up plan” to stop Trump in Russia Collusion witch hunt, now we are finding out they were deeply involved in Jan 6th.

Deep State”
~ Marjorie Taylor Greene

we aren’t actually finding that out... some guy speculated it and there’s no reason to believe it...

however, how about have a commission investigate
Habebe
Member
Wed Jun 16 22:23:20
"we aren’t actually finding that out... some guy speculated it and there’s no reason to believe it..."

Is the burden of proof any different from the russian bounty scandal?

But yes, she is the crazy one even amongst Republicans.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 16 23:46:03
the bounty story was allegations from Taliban prisoners that our intel WAS indeed investigating

the allegations that unindicted people must be FBI agents is made-up bullshit speculation from an untrustworthy website

there is no equivalence... one is using sources who would know, one is from no source at all, just pure guessing

(& it's both Tucker and Greene accepting it & broadcasting out as if there's any evidence)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 16 23:52:32
& garbage capo Gaetz too & i'm sure plenty others with Tucker airing it (highest rated show on Faux)
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 17 00:52:03
Speculation by Taliban fighters is not a more trustworthy spurce than speculation by US congressmen (women)

People just jumped on it because "muh Russia", liberals have a hard on for Russia because they associate it with Trump, so they beleikve it on faith with out quality evidence that something is going on.

It's part of the cult ofnthe anti Trump that has brainwashed you.

Its why the lab leak theory was easily dissmissed early, because Trump saidnit sounded reasonable.

If Trump were to say grass is green, they would argue that nonit osnt and further more that's racist.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 17 02:12:35
it wouldn’t be speculation by the Taliban fighters... they could’ve been offered bounties or they could be lying
(and bounties had nothing inherently to do with Trump (even though he seemed to think so strangely) so no, no reason to believe it’s possible based on view of Trump)

there is nothing to this story except just deciding the FBI was in on it because that’s what cultists do... make shit up to help defend the cult leader or smear those he smears (and the FBI was one of the many American institutions the ridiculously unfit fraud attacked... purely in self interest as usual)

apparently Tucker drunk on getting ratings or maybe he was always worthless shit, can’t say I paid much attention to him in the past
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Jun 17 11:17:21
They finally repealed 2002 Afghanistan AUMF in US House. Mere two decades passed

http://www...ation-for-the-invasion-of-iraq

The House voted on Thursday to revoke the authorization it gave in 2002 to invade Iraq, a step that would rein in presidential war-making powers for the first time in a generation.

The strong bipartisan action reflected growing determination on Capitol Hill to revisit the broad authority that Congress provided to President George W. Bush following the Sept. 11 attacks through measures that successive presidents have used to justify military action around the world.

The 2002 authorization was repeatedly applied well beyond its original intent, including in a campaign much later against the Islamic State in Iraq and for the killing of the Iranian general Qassim Suleimani last year.

The vote was 268 to 161, with 49 Republicans joining 219 Democrats. The debate now moves to the Senate, which is expected to take up similar legislation as the United States military completes its withdrawal from Afghanistan after nearly two decades of fighting there

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 17 12:15:28
^ good news... you might want to put in the regular "Random News 2" thread if you want more notice as I plan to post all my complaints that few people care about here :p

-------------

well here's one of the alleged FBI agents (based on nothing) disproven:
"
One case that Carlson highlighted involves Thomas Caldwell, an alleged participant in the Oath Keepers conspiracy. He has pleaded not guilty to four crimes tied to the insurrection. Carlson noted that an unindicted co-conspirator called "Person Two" is mentioned in Caldwell's indictment, and that Person Two allegedly planned logistics and breached Capitol barricades.

"The government knows who they are, but the government has not charged them," Carlson said. "Why is that? You know why. They were almost certainly working for the FBI."

His assumption appears to be incorrect. Statements in court documents indicate Person Two is most likely Caldwell's wife, Sharon Caldwell. Person Two's identity was first surfaced by national security blogger Marcy Wheeler.

Prosecutors said Caldwell stayed with "Person Two" at a hotel in northern Virginia before the insurrection. His attorneys said in court filings he was only accompanied by his wife during the trip. Text messages from another defendant also indicate that Caldwell lives with "Person Two" at his home in rural Virginia, and Caldwell's lawyers have said he lives with his wife on a farm.
"
http://www...rrection-conspiracy/index.html

although it was fucking nuts to just presume they were all FBI to begin with
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 17 15:30:08
"Right-wing sheriff [& Trump loyalist] David Clarke calls on Congress to establish an independent commission, headed by [Trump lawyer/defender] Alan Dershowitz, to investigate the FBI. He also wants FBI Director Christopher Wray fired and replaced by either [Trump loyalist/Q cultist/criminal] Michael Flynn or [Trump loyalist] Ken Cuccinelli."

video of it:
http://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1405577956546678787

there remains no actual demonstration of corrupt acts by the FBI against Trump (however the cult believes massive corruption has been shown, because some giant fucking obvious fraud kept saying so & his propaganda team decided to run w/ it)

however apparently we have to replace everyone w/ Trump loyalists... as they are the only non-corrupt people in America (despite being repeatedly exposed as criminals)
Habebe
Member
Thu Jun 17 20:35:50
I think everyome knows Alan Derschowitz long before he was a "Trump defender", he is about as famous as Johnny Cochran.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jun 17 21:04:04
yet I’m completely certain Trump loyalist Clarke named him for his frequent Trump-defending TV appearances

just like his choices for FBI director are known only for their Trump loyalism (Sheriff Clarke only known for that too for that matter)

all a mafia-style family... with ever growing numbers joining the pillow business
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 20 11:16:58
“Happy Father’s Day to all, including the Radical Left, RINOs, and other Losers of the world. Hopefully, eventually, everyone will come together!”
~ fuckhead

& i'll bet no intended humor

(& of course RINO means any R who doesn't support tossing election results, that's the only issue that makes you an R now)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 22 12:13:36
more MyPillow Guy:
http://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1407369438085722116

he's having an event at the end of July w/ all the "cyber guys" who will be able to show all the vote flipping by China to Senators & governors (including the corrupt ones like Kemp... the R GA gov... who is corrupt for not tossing the election results for no demonstrated reason)

"Trump will be in office by this fall... for sure"


(pretty sure he said the Supreme Court would be hearing his case in early July & tossing the results 9-0, so kinda weird this is after that...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 22 12:41:44
Fucking Moron -still- doesn't know what voter rolls are...

"
Georgia now plans to remove over 100,000 "obsolete and outdated" names off their voter rolls. Doing this, they say, will ensure voting files are up to date, while at the same time enuring voter integrity in future elections. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST ELECTION? WHY WASN'T THIS DONE PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 3RD PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, where they had us losing by a very small number of votes, many times less than the 101,789 figure? This means we (you!) won the Presidential Election in Georgia. But don't fret, much other information will soon be revealed about Georgia -- and other States as well. It is coming out FAST and FURIOUS. The 2020 Presidential Election was rigged!"
~ the cult leader & criminal & traitor

yes, voter rolls should be kept up to date, but no, it doesn't mean he won in any way, shape or form... and no, nothing is coming out fast & furious, not one thing has come out at all...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 23 13:48:41
"
Trump has privately started to question Kushner's contributions to his legacy. One person who spoke with the former President in the last two weeks recounted a conversation in which Trump complained about Kushner inking a book deal that he thinks his son-in-law will use to take credit for some of his achievements.
"

because he knows Kushner did way more than the nothing he did on any alleged achievements...


"
Two people familiar with conversations Trump has had since his arrival in May at Bedminster say he questioned whether Kushner "accomplish[ed] peace in the Middle East after all" after tensions between Israel and Hamas erupted into a violent series of airstrikes last month.
"

shows how little Trump knew about those 'peace' deals, not that it wasn't clear he knew nothing at the time

from
http://www...trump-jared-kushner/index.html

a CNN article, choose to decide it's fake news / fake sources if you want... even though it isn't and is fully consistent w/ his ignorant toddler self
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 23 14:25:36
a GOP-led report in Michigan finds no evidence of any of the Trump / cultist mass voter fraud claims:

p6 lists the general allegations investigated
http://mis...23/SMPO_2020ElectionReport.pdf

i'm sure Fraud will accept it

(his latest on Michigan was claiming a "massive & determinative" # of votes found to be switched from him to Biden... i won't be linking a source for that information as i'm sure it doesn't exist)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 26 14:53:19
some totally normal fans w/ totally normal flags & apparel at the totally normal rally in Ohio
http://pbs...VgAsY0IS?format=jpg&name=large
Habebe
Member
Sat Jun 26 16:24:05
TW, By US standards it is.Need I remind you of the Obama merch? Around my neck of the woods it alongside black Jesus and Kamla gear are all frequently for sale.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jun 26 16:30:29
i'm unaware of anything remotely similar to the fanaticism of these cultists

also, Trump is doing the rally there to try to get rid of an R congressman who i doubt he ever heard of except for the singular act of properly voting for impeachment
habebe
Member
Sat Jun 26 17:00:34
TW, Perhaps your not very familiar with black shopping establishments in black neighborhoods.

Down here there is a lot of that.

Everything from shirts, mugs, rug/tapestries , you name it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 27 17:43:06
Mike Pence (on hoping not to be murdered):
"
There are those in my party who believe that in my position as presiding officer over the joint session, that I possessed the authority to reject or return electoral votes certified by the states. But the Constitution provides the vice president with no such authority before the joint session of Congress. And the truth is, there's almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president.
"

now where did those people get that idea you weak coward? who was the -single person- spreading that idea to the masses?... not even his typical lackeys were repeating it... he surely was told multiple times he was wrong, but he trusted the anonymous person who tweeted the idea more & kept repeating it up to, on, and even after Jan 6 (& still would now)


but these pathetic cowed weasels can't criticize Trump by name... they just can't do it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 28 19:13:17
"
RINO former AG Bill Barr failed to investigate election fraud, and really let down the American people. Even the scam that took place in Georgia of ballot stuffing on camera [claim discredited], he couldn't see what was wrong with it. Just like he failed to understand the Horowitz report [no, that was you, fuckhead] and let everyone down with respect to getting a timely investigation (where's Durham?) on all of the corruption of the Obama-Biden Administration.

It's people in authority like Bill Barr that allow the crazed Radical Left to succeed. He and other RINOs in the Republican Party are being used in order to try to convince people that the election was legitimate when so many incredible facts have now come out to show conclusively that it wasn't [nope].

...

Now it was revealed that Barr was being pushed to tell lies about the election by Mitch McConnell, another beauty, who was worried about damaging the Republicans chances in the Georgia runoff. What really damaged the Senate Republicans was allowing their races to be rigged & stolen [no evidence], and worse, the American people to no longer believe their vote matters because spineless RINOs like Bill Barr & Mitch McConnell did nothing [nope, it was all you, fuckhead, that undermined all faith & continuing to do so].
"
~ the continuing traitor / enemy of America
(stuff in []'s added my me)

his 'presidency' should be annulled
Rugian
Member
Mon Jun 28 19:39:02
"Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America:

[Stupid Tipsy Tumbleweed (who I barely know and have never met) is yet another obsessed loser who has never accomplished anything in his life, while I, by humble comparison, have founded multiple enterprises worth billions of dollars, hosted one of the most successful shows in television history, been elected president (twice!) and Made America Great Again! Oh well, not everyone can hope to match my endless record of success!]"

(Stuff in [] are Trump's words not mine)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 28 21:01:32
multiple *failed enterprises

... and his wealth achieved due to a rich father, repeated fraud practices, screwing over investors, contractors, banks and the US govt... and he’s now the person who has done the most damage to the country ever
Habebe
Member
Tue Jun 29 00:20:23
So apparently the DA in NYC says its not likely he will charge the Teflon Don.

Its really an appropriate title now.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 29 14:51:10
we can always take solace in him being an unhappy pathetic loser living his whole life in a business suit when not on the golf course, w/ no real connections to his family & no affection between him & his wife

------------

here's Steve Bannon (criminal campaign manager #3) saying that Dominion suing MyPillow Guy for defamation is an effort to shut up the business community like in Nazi Germany
http://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1409958739097030668
pretty sure Dominion is a business too... or was, not sure how they can survive all the defamation
Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 29 15:23:10
Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

Jonathan Karl’s story on Slow Moving Bill Barr is made up beyond any level imaginable. It is, in other words, Fake News! I lost confidence in Bill Barr long before the 2020 Presidential Election Scam. It was when he dismissed and didn’t act on the very powerful Horowitz Report, and instead gave everything over to John Durham, who has seemingly disappeared from the planet. Can you even believe a report coming out during the Biden Administration? We caught them but unfortunately didn’t have an Attorney General who was capable of acting and wouldn’t go against his friends in Washington, D.C. Barr was a “swamp creature” who was devastated when the Radical Left wanted to impeach him. He, and other RINOs (you see it all the time!), always fold. If he becomes “less” for President Trump, maybe they will leave him alone. It takes a very strong and special person to go against the “mob”. Bill Barr was not that person. Despite evidence of tremendous Election Fraud, he just didn’t want to go there. He was afraid, weak, and frankly, now that I see what he is saying, pathetic. The facts are rapidly coming out in States and Courts about the 2020 Presidential Election Scam, and let’s see if Bill Barr, a man who was unable to handle the pressure, was correct? The answer will be a resounding, NO
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 29 15:57:34
that^ thing was 'president'...

but i agree 'RINO' Barr was shit... for very different reasons though

& 'RINO' Mitch too for that matter
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 03 21:04:38
and a new nonsense conspiracy theory is born...
http://twitter.com/acyn/status/1411503180475604995?s=21
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 03 21:26:09
particularly disgusting as Trump's lies are the sole reason she's dead

if only his parents had put him down instead of sending him to military school to try to fix him
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jul 06 12:13:03
the intern running the former 'president's website must only work once a week or something... a whole slew of statements recently added

amongst the garbage:

"The Presidential Race was a Scam and a Hoax with numbers and results being found that are massive, shocking, and determinative."

can someone point me to a single incident?

the obvious fraud moron ever getting elected was bizarre
people continuing to find him completely acceptable perhaps more bizarre (although his propaganda networks & allies avoid noting what he actually says... also bizarre)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 07 12:26:17
Mr Lawsuit is filing class-action suits against Facebook, Twitter & Google for removing him (& others, not that he cares about the others)

this is in the Twitter one:

"With Plaintiff removed from Twitter, it is considerably more difficult for Plaintiff to act as head of the Republican Party, campaign for Republican candidates, fundraise, and lay the groundwork for his own potential campaign for the 2024 Republican Party nomination for President of the United States."

pretty sure R politicians (& his propaganda networks) don't want him acting as head of the party... the current system works much better for them where he's just a fictional concept they can pretend is great & to support & where they can cherry-pick to repeat (or re-word) only the <10% of comments he makes that aren't traitorous, mentally-ill or moronic
Rugian
Member
Wed Jul 07 13:09:13
I hope he bankrupts them all

Meanwhile, PA is about to go to Trump! Woo!

http://amp.timesonline.com/amp/7888389002
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 07 13:52:33
i hope they check for bamboo in the paper... and investigate our chicken stomachs for ballot particles
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 07 15:56:35
a Trump fundraising text off his lawsuits:

"
Pres Trump: I am SUING Facebook & Twitter for UNCONSTITUTIONAL CENSORSHIP. For a short time, 5X-IMPACT on all gifts! Donate NOW!
"

wow 5X-IMPACT!!! i wonder if they changed the word from "matching" as more nebulous now & less provably fraudulent

it links to a standard Fraud donation page w/ the pre-checked monthly & (crazy) double donations as always, & claiming the meaningless "5X impact" is only in effect for the next hour (as it will be forever), so go go go!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 07 16:05:50
maybe the "5x Impact" refers to the average number of repeated unintended donations cultists are charged before they notice it

...yet they won't blame Trump or his criminal operation for it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 07 21:44:55
some weird cult board Gen Flynn and/or MyPillow Guy is dragging around:

http://pbs...UUAIgNfc?format=jpg&name=large

has bible verses & names of everyone in Trump world w/ arrows pointing to Trump... nothing fucking weird about that

i've seen a couple people photoshop in goatse hands, works well
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 09 12:18:13
Rioter who attacked police during George Floyd riots gets 18 months in federal prison
http://www...rioter-sentenced-attack-police

^just stuffing this here for the next time someone says the BLM attackers never got charged (a continual message by the defenders of Trump's violent mob)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 10 14:42:17
Rep. Mo Brooks sure learned his lesson


"Our choice is simple: we can surrender and submit, or we can fight back... Think for a moment about our ancestors who fought at Valley Forge... that's the kind of sacrifice we have to think about, and I ask you: are you willing to fight for America?"
http://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1413636083993227267

& the ellipses don't hide context, only worse if you listen to full audio... burying fathers, sons & brothers is the kind of sacrifice "we have to think about"...

um, why??
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jul 11 15:50:22
CPAC straw poll for 2024 pick:

Trump 70%

(if Trump excluded, DeSantis at 68%, Pompeo a distant second at 5%)

Trump also did vomit-inducing Maria Bartiromo interview


but 'why do people keep talking about Trump'...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jul 11 21:43:19
here's Trump joking about how he's a fucking liar
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1414348303031017475
about straw poll: "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say, that's the most accurate poll perhaps ever."

and his cult too stupid to notice that 'joke' behavior is what he does 100% of the time
Habebe
Member
Sun Jul 11 23:23:38
This just seems like a continuation of your old anti Trump thread series.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 12 10:36:21
kinda... slightly less Trump himself as he's fairly silenced (including by his own intern who updates his site only around once a week)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 12 11:11:52
hey great, Fox put Trump on 2 days in a row...

fucking liar talking of Jan 6:
http://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1414309553592848389

prior to clip he says the people peaceful... then in that clip:

"you have people with no guns who walked down, and frankly, the doors were open"

"they have 100s of hours of tape & they're not releasing the tape, they ought to release the tape to see what really happened"
[lots of tape out there, not surprised Trump not seeing it w/ the sources he uses]

"there was also a lovefest between the capitol police and the people that walked down to the capitol"

no mention of violence at all (except 'who shot Ashli Babbitt!')... in the prior Bartiromo interview he speculated it was head of security for a ... Democrat! so a politically motivated assassination!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 12 11:44:51
actually that's seems like it's still the same interview, not a 2nd one
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 12 17:46:16
the intern just dropped 3 pages of shit...

"Massive evidence has been accumulated which shows voter fraud at a level that is virtually beyond comprehension."

wow, that's a lot of fraud
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 12 23:52:08
Jenna Ellis says she's leaving the GOP

she was part of Trump's crack legal team along with Giuliani & Sidney Powell

she's finally fed up with the GOP's bullshit! sorta... her issue is they aren't supporting Trump enough

this is after it was revealed an RNC lawyer on Nov 28 had emailed that what her & Rudy were doing w/ their voter fraud claims was a joke & that they were misleading millions

so here's hoping for that infected party to finally split
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jul 13 22:21:55
a Laura Ingraham guest saying the vaccine has no effect on Delta variant (not what i've heard) & "There's no reason right now, no clinical reason to go get vaccinated"

http://twi...ki6/status/1415141560539181058

just posting to see how well it ages & in case she claims never to have been anti-vaccine like lying Tucker did
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 14 12:33:57
an unusual 3 pro-vaccine tweets/articles by Fox News so far today, they must be getting worried about their definite role in misinforming people & causing spread amongst their unfortunately trusting viewers:


"North Carolina county launches 'doses to doors' vaccine campaign"
(w/ no mention of Biden being a radical left, socialist, marxist, communist, invading-your-home nazi)

"Mississippi reports 7 kids in ICU, 2 on life support amid Delta surge"

"mRNA COVID-19 vaccines effective in cirrhosis patients, study finds"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 14 14:11:01
"
[massive font size] Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America [/end massive font size]

Great new book out by Jesse Watters, How I Saved the World. Interspersed are his thoughtful suggestions for overcoming left-wing radicalism, maintaining American democracy, moving beyond aging hippies (like his long-suffering, loving parents), saving the world from social justice warriors and the deep state--all while smirking his way through life in only the nicest way. Get your copy today, congratulations Jesse!
"

if you think he possibly wrote that, you don't know him at all... and in fact it's a direct copy/paste quote from the book's detail page passed off as his own review (& not like he's read any other book he's shilled for either, just if you praise Trump he'll say your book is fantastic)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 11:40:19
he did ^that book thing twice in a row actually, also used a copied blurb to endorse Mark Levin's book

----

and there's this compelling argument:

"
Biden just said 150 people voted in the 2020 Presidential Election (Scam!). On the assumption that he meant 150 million people, and based on the fact that I got 75 million+++, that would mean that Biden got 75 million votes, which is 6 million votes less than what they said they got. So what is that all about? Are they already conceding 6 million votes?
"

Biden rounded 155 to 150... definitely suspicious

makes one so proud to be an American that that went out as a [giant font]Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America[/end giant font], like so many of them
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 11:55:21
"
The news coming out of Georgia is beyond incredible. The hand recount in Fulton County was a total fraud! They stuffed the ballot box—and got caught. We will lose our Country if this is allowed to stand.

According to the just released report from Garland Favorito and the highly respected Voter GA, in Fulton County the hand recount was wrong by 60%; 100,000 tally sheets for ballots were missing; they duplicated thousands of extra votes for Joe Biden; and fabricated vote counts... [yadda yadda]
"

so, i briefly looked into this...

on the "highly respected Voter GA"'s website, MyPillow Guy's lawsuit against Dominion is cited so my faith in that site & Favorito is right down the toilet

but i see claims Tucker Carlson is having Favorito on so my faith in him goes even further down the toilet

in any case, we'll see how this almost certain nonsense pans out i guess
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 12:44:43
"BREAKING: Court "Completely Rejects" State Senate's Reason For Not Turning Over Audit-Related Records Held By Cyber Ninjas (READ Decision)"

http://ari...-completely-rejects-state.html

so the AZ 'audit' of that which was already audited will get audited
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 12:50:20
a former 'president's statement, you'll never guess which one! :

"
Nobody had ever heard of some of these people that worked for me in D.C. All of a sudden, the Fake News starts calling them. Some of them—by no means all—feel emboldened, brave, and for the first time in their lives, they feel like "something special", not the losers they are—and they talk, talk, talk!

Many say I am the greatest star-maker of all time. But some of the stars I produced are actually made of garbage.
"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 18:54:05
the AZ 'audit' shitshow continuing indefinitely...

"
Senate President Karen Fann said the Legislature needs more materials and data from Maricopa County for an unprecedented and controversial review of 2020 election results that is deep into its third month.

Fann, R-Prescott, said at a hearing at the Capitol on Thursday that efforts to obtain those items likely would end up in a courtroom.

Also during the hearing, the Senate’s top contractor on the review recommended reviving plans to go door-to-door to inquire about some residents’ participation in last year’s general election.

The Senate had put an effort to dispatch canvassers on hold after the U.S. Department of Justice raised concerns that it could amount to voter intimidation and violate federal civil rights protections.

But Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan, head of the Florida-based firm the Senate has hired to lead the audit, encouraged lawmakers to proceed with that plan.

“Based on the data we’re seeing, I highly recommend we do the canvassing because it’s the one way to know for sure whether the data we’re seeing are real problems,” Logan said.

Doing both a canvass of voters and taking the county back to court means the review effort that appeared to be wrapping up is likely to last even longer. Initially, the review was slated to end in May.

Fann previously had suggested a final report could be out by next month, but on Thursday, she indicated that probably won't happen.

“We need to get the additional information because how do you do a final report if you don’t have all the information?" she said.
...
"
http://www...y-election-records/7973154002/

Fann (who thinks OAN is a trusted source) pretty much got this 'audit' rolling on her own (was never actually voted on, iirc)

& Logan is also a pro-Trump / 'stop the steal' advocate whose company has no experience in elections

just cultists running a bullshit 'audit' & apparently they aren't finding what they want so extending it

& wanting door-to-door questioning of voters on how they voted... (whereas providing vaccine info is a nazi-like home invasion)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 15 23:11:13
"The person who REALLY owes America an apology is Mike Pence"
~ Jenna Ellis (member of a 'president's legal team)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 19 15:01:21
article w/ some spewings from unfit guy:

"...
The parade of Republican politicians flocking to Mar-a-Lago all spring to kiss his ring had both energized him, he said, and proved the value of his stock.

“We have had so many, and so many are coming in,” Trump said. “It’s been pretty amazing. You see the numbers. They need the endorsement. I don’t say this in a braggadocious way, but if they don’t get the endorsement, they don’t win.”

[he'd never brag... he's the most humble man to ever exist]

...

“Had Mike Pence had the courage to send it back to the legislatures, you would have had a different outcome, in my opinion,” Trump said...

[yep, fucking moron still claiming that was an option]

...

"Statistically, it wasn’t even possible that [Biden] won. Things such as, if you win Florida and Ohio and Iowa, there’s never been a loss.”

[idiotic first claim (probably a reference to the moronic analysis in the fucked up Texas supreme court lawsuit that used a known-to-be-false-by-everyone assumption that later votes counted would follow same pattern as early ones),... & just false on 2nd claim such as Nixon in 1960]

...

“He’s a stupid person,” Trump said of McConnell. “I don’t think he’s smart enough.”

“I tried to convince Mitch McConnell to get rid of the filibuster, to terminate it, so that we would get everything, and he was a knucklehead and he
didn’t do it,” Trump said.

[interesting...]

...

"As for his former ambassador, Trump said he was rebuffing her outreach. “Nikki Haley wants to come here so badly,” he said. “She did a little nasty couple of statements...She has been killed by the party. When they speak badly about me, the party is not happy about it. It’s pretty amazing. There’s not been anything like this.”"

[celebrating his cult's fanaticism in destroying all who aren't 100% loyal to him...]

----------

anyway, long-ass article w/ constant fucked up quotes, i was only skimming & everywhere i stopped was a stupid thing above, i'm sure plenty more if you want to suffer through:

http://www...-after-leaving-the-white-house

yeah yeah, vanity fair... it's still his fucked up words
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 21 11:51:00
from the fucking moron traitor who is so clearly unfit for office with overwhelming heaps of evidence:

"
Why won't the RINO Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in Arizona give the routers [to the joke 'audit']? What are they trying to hide? They are fighting for life or death. What is going on? Give the routers! Doesn't this mean that the voting was, despite their statements to the contrary, connected to the internet? The Voter Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election was monumental, and the facts are coming out daily!
"


here's an article about why they wouldn't want to give routers (beyond there being no fucking reason to do so to begin with):
http://www...tors-bad-precedent/4995728001/

they already plan to trash the voting machines due to unknown tampering by the joke 'audit' by cultists
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 21 12:00:26
more from the obvious moron fraud traitor that a large part of the country wants installed as dictator despite it being so fucking obvious:

"
Fox News and other media outlets incorrectly side with the outdated and terrible Maricopa County Election Board to report no fraud found in the Presidential Election. They spew the gross misinformation purposefully put out by the county and the Associated Press, and IGNORE the very important Arizona Senate’s hearing yesterday, which showed 168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots), 74,000 mail in ballots received that were never mailed (magically appearing ballots), 11,000 voters were added to the voter rolls AFTER the election and still voted, all the access logs to the machines were wiped, and the election server was hacked during the election.

They sided with the County and not the brave Arizona Senate who is fighting for the people of Arizona. The same anchor at the desk the night Fox called Arizona for Joe Biden now wants you to believe there was no fraud. The anchor was Bret Baier. Thankfully, Arizona has strong State Senators willing to fight for the truth. Senator Wendy Rogers says “I have heard enough. It’s time to decertify this election.” Senator Kelly Townsend said the fraud was so bad “I want to see indictments.” Senator Sonny Borrelli says “I've seen enough evidence to challenge the validity of the certification of the Maricopa County Election results.” Arizona shows Fraud and Voting Irregularities many times more than would be needed to change the outcome of the Election.
"

& guess what... all of the claims bullshit (except perhaps the quotes by garbage cultist R politicians, who should all be removed from office)


this runs down falseness of each of the bullshit claims by actually looking at the facts:
http://apn...7fad7e5bdf02d953c6b90a474267cc

(& if you think a wild Trump claim can be trusted more than fact-checkers who give details, you've got problems in the head)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 21 12:01:36
probably a response to being fact-checked:

"
AP and other media outlets are doing major disinformation to try and discredit the massive number of voter irregularities and fraud found in both Arizona and Georgia. When the real numbers are released people will be shocked, but this is a concerted effort of the Fake News Media to discredit and demean. There has never been anything like it. Numbers will be released shortly, and they are extraordinarily big and highly determinative!
"

undermine. undermine. undermine.

'he loves this country!!!' ~ morons
Rugian
Member
Wed Jul 21 13:17:48
Biden and Blanken are literally sending an invite to communist China to audit the US for "systemic racism."

But sure, its Trump who is the one hates America.

Also, Democrats have spent months decrying Republican state election security laws on the grounds that they would "suppress democracy" and lead to the will of the voters being denied (aka an election where Democrats don't win by supermajorities). How is that not "undermining the public trust in the integrity of our elections," as you've obsessively ranted regarding the orange man's conduct?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 21 13:57:38
"Biden and Blanken are literally sending an invite to communist China to audit the US for "systemic racism.""

do you even know that's grossly misleading? (since the fraudosphere is claiming it as such too)

---------------

R's are factually making it harder to vote (they claim purely for integrity... what are the odds their motives & methods are 100% purely altruistic?)


"168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots), 74,000 mail in ballots received that were never mailed (magically appearing ballots)"

is TOTALLY FALSE. no truth at all. zero.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jul 21 15:26:12
"do you even know that's grossly misleading? (since the fraudosphere is claiming it as such too)"

Blinken literally issued a formal statement requesting that the infamous UNHRC (which currently includes China, Cuba, and Russia as its members) audit the US for "systemic racism" against people of African descent.

The only person here being misleading is you, for implying that the Biden administration isn't doing exactly what I said.

"R's are factually making it harder to vote"

Another misleading statement by you. Rs are factually turning the clock back (partially, at least) to 2019 voting standards, eliminating some of the voting options that were TEMPORARILY IMPLEMENTED DUIRNG A GLOBAL PANDEMIC in the process.

Why are you such a liar tw?
Rugian
Member
Wed Jul 21 15:42:01
And don't even try to defend the UNHRC. That cesspool is Exhibit #1 for why the United Nations is pure trash.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jul 21 15:43:22
(Countdown to tw claiming that conservatives never had a problem with the Human Rights Council until Trump...in 3...2...1...)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 21 21:33:20
the UN Human Rights Council is not a synonym for China

end of argument.

——-

by the way, there’s more totally fucked up audio of Trump out from when he sat for an interview for one of the new books out detailing his unfitness... I assume defenders and cultists will again just ignore the pure insanity (or agree with it)

soooo many things singularly prove his complete unfitness, yet every bit ignored by so many...
Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 22 06:15:15
"tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Jul 21 21:33:20
the UN Human Rights Council is not a synonym for China

end of argument."

China is a leading member on it, so...yes it is.

End of argument. Owned.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 22 06:24:07
Seriously, what inanity was that. The UNHRC is nothing more than the sum of its members.

China, Cuba, and Russia are members (as are the other bastions of human rights that are Uzbekistan and Pakistan).

This is like asking Nazi Germany to report on how America is treating its Jewish population. Utter insanity.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 22 12:22:51
the UN Human Rights Council is not a synonym for China

argument was ended

-----

if you want any factual info rather than comments or articles titled "...asked China"

this is Blinken's remarks where we apparently are seeking to be elected to that council (or to China, as that's a synonym to you)
http://geneva.usmission.gov/2021/02/24/secretary-hrc/
including an insult of what you find a synonym: "We will speak out for universal values when atrocities are committed in Xinjiang or when fundamental freedoms are undermined in Hong Kong"
as well as attacks on also member Russia on Navalny & others (btw, what has Trump ever had to say on Navalny?)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 22 12:23:53
then this statement seems what specifically spawned the 'we asked China' misleading shit:

http://www...ts-and-ending-systemic-racism/

where sounds like just setting a good example
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 22 23:09:44
"this is big news" & mark your calendars
http://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1418409499044589569
scrolling numbers from MyPillow guy


i wonder how his case before the Supreme Court going, i believe he said it was happening in July... (not sure if he even has a case filed or just assumed they'd summon him to talk)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 23 15:34:56
Texas state Rep. Steve Toth wants to audit the 2020 Texas votes, but only Dem areas...

"Asked if he would consider including some smaller counties, Toth replied, “What’s the point? I mean, all the small counties are red.” "

yep, what's the point indeed

one obvious moron fraud completely corrupted an entire party... quite remarkable
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jul 23 22:08:32
"I like Indians and I like Redskins. I like Aunt Jemima and I like Uncle Ben. I like Robert E Lee and I like Stonewall Jackson. I don’t like traitors who hate America. Stand up for our culture!"
~ Wendy Rogers (AZ State Senator)

you'd think she must despise Trump w/ that last part on traitors who hate America... but nope, full on cultist

AZ sure has some real trash in their state gov't (& nationally like Paul Gosar)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 24 14:26:16
video outside AZ Trump rally... a line of gullible fools about to be continuously lied to, some in Trump garb telling the media to remove their masks (for the indoor event)

http://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1418985323145613312
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 24 14:28:54
Fauci needs to produce a much more deadly variant...

springing out a 100% one would be nice
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jul 24 19:03:53
Ladies & Gentleman... President of America... Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!:
http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1419068600200138763

& lots of crazy shit from him as expected in the clips below it

lots on election stolen obviously, boos for 'RINO's Gov Ducey & Mitch McC & Pence, lock up Hillary, "how about the vaccine? **i came up with the vaccine**, they said it would take 3-5 years..." (but at least recommends people take it so i guess that's good, although his only purpose in mentioning is to take credit), total lies about fraud ballots found in boxes & other shit, wants those AZ routers (yet claims so many fraud votes shown even w/o them), misrepresenting voter rolls as always, yadda yadda

sooo ridiculously unfit, insane, & poisonous
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 26 16:52:10
more MyPillow guy:
http://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1419729803029229571
optimistic that after his symposium (w/ the 'cyber guys') that Biden & Harris will resign (which doesn't make Trump prez, but i'm sure he thinks it would)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 26 16:55:04
and Diamond & Silk cashing in on him too w/ their own promo code:
http://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1419735078025023491

so that's Hannity, Rudy Giuliani, Dinesh D'souza, Diamond & Silk all working for the pillow crime family (& i'm sure i'm missing some)
habebe
Member
Mon Jul 26 17:10:43
The pillow crime family sounds like it came from Mario RPG.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 26 21:45:28
current text message being sent out by the team Fraud:

"
YOUR PAYMENT IS INCOMPLETE, friend

Pres Trump requested $10 for:
TRUMP DAY ONE CLUB

1 HOUR. Finish your payment >> [link]
"

(so making gullible people think they have an incomplete payment, that Trump personally asking them, that the 'Trump Day One Club' has some meaning, & that they have limited time to comply)

at link

"
YOU have been identified as a Trump Day One supporter, and are formally invited to join the Trump Day One Club.

Your spot on the Trump Day One Club roster is only available for a limited time, so don’t wait.
"

your spot in the nonsense club available for a limited time?... yeah, right

plus all the other standard scam features, pre-checked boxes full of text to hide what for (which is monthly & nonsensical double donations), & $100 is pre-selected even though text said $10... & the bullshit 'you've been selected' pop-up if you try to leave, etc.


so. much. fraud.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 26 21:51:07
...the arguments passed in the URL even let the fraud team know that people are linking from the ad campaign known as "trump-day-one-club-incomplete"

yay, our fraudulent claim of an incomplete payment to a nonsense club is working!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jul 27 23:03:02
"Buy a new MyPillow for the leftist in your life so they can cry their liberal tears into it even as they get the best night's sleep they've ever had
Promocode Poso [w/ link]"
~ Jack Posobiec's pinned tweet (he's a prominent fraudosphere member)

add him to the pillow grifters

does anyone in Trump world not have a kickbacks promo code?
Habebe
Member
Tue Jul 27 23:23:55
The man can network.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 13:00:39
C-Span's presidential historians' survey rankings

http://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

Trump's ranking out of the 44 presidents:

by issue:
-Public Persuasion - #32
-Crisis Leadership - #41
-Economic Management - #34
-Moral Authority - #44 (dead last)
-International Relations - #43
-Administrative Skills - #44 (dead last)
-Relations with Congress - #42
-Vision / Setting an Agenda - #36
-Pursued Equal Justice For All - #40
-Performance Within Context of Times - #42

Overall: #41 out of #44

(just Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan below him overall)
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 13:11:22
Moral authority?

How is he worse than Clinton and JFK?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 14:14:32
in what way isn't he? he cheated on his wives too, plus a life-long fraud in all aspects of his life, plus lies every time he speaks, plus fakes religion (more-so than a typical politician), plus his pandemic response purely based on personal interest no concern for health of others (we'd have had no testing if up to him & taken no precautions)

he has no moral fiber whatsoever
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 14:21:29
and recall he said he didn't think he had anything to ask forgiveness for

impossible to even imagine him showing genuine remorse

politicians used to apologize or have shame when caught cheating or lying, not this guy
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 14:39:28
JFK while in office was fucking everything moving, was drunk and high for starters.

Clinton, also cheated on his wife in the oval office, then lied UNDER OATH about it.

As.for shady business deals, the clintons don't come off any better than the Trumps (white water?)

He'll, Lincoln was sort of a Tyrant and war criminal, but he won.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 14:44:09
Is it normal tomjudge a potus by their pre-political.actions?

The Kennedy's for example have Absolutley murdered people and got away with it, several times.

Like people joke about the Clinton body count (and who knows) but it's well established fact the Kennedy's covered up murders from drunk driving to beating a young girl to death with a golf club (cousin)
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jul 28 14:51:02
"C-Span's presidential historians' survey rankings

(just Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan below him overall)"

Lincoln #1, FDR #3, Woodrow Wilson #13, John Adams #15

lmao
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 14:55:54
FDR was terrible.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 16:05:42
do you feel Trump is moral & ethical? can you resist laughing just pondering the question?

i don't know if they judge him on actions before presidency, but he was continual moral shit regardless

& Clinton is at #38 on that topic so not too stellar either

(and Kennedy isn't judged collectively by all his family obviously)

Forwyn
Member
Wed Jul 28 16:22:35
Trump's predecessor is #10, and funnelled weapons to jihadis, exacerbating a war that killed half a million and displaced 12 million
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 17:30:12
who doesn't funnel weapons to jihadis

Trump sold weapons every place he could & wanted our military to be mercenaries
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 18:04:26
"(and Kennedy isn't judged collectively by all his family obviously"

Sort of...but they often acted together, the beleif in accessory after the fact and all.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jul 28 18:31:02
"Trump sold weapons every place he could"

There's a difference between selling weapons to the Saudis, which every President before him has done, and illicitly buying up used Toyotas in the American market and shipping them to non-state actors.

"wanted our military to be mercenaries"

Already is
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 28 18:36:56
Kennedy employed Dave Powers, A Special assistant, known also as a First friend who had the task of finding beautiful women willing to sleep with the President.

------

Kennedy was a serial cheater, commonly known for his womanizing tendencies and sexual scandals. His indiscretions nearly ended his relationship in 1956 when he left his very pregnant wife behind to go yachting around Europe with Senator George Smathers.

------

http://www...t/2018/04/the-scandals-of-jfk/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jul 28 18:52:02
who would you trust more with your dog, investment money, and age 20s daughter?

Trump would not even understand the concept of looking after any of them in your interest
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jul 28 18:57:33
"His indiscretions nearly ended his relationship in 1956 when he left his very pregnant wife behind to go yachting around Europe with Senator George Smathers."

You always think you have the rest of your life to make amends, until the #10 highest ranked President's favorite spy agency shoots you in the head
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