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LazyCommunist Member	Tue Feb 20 02:01:02 Authoritarian Jergul has instructed me to stop creating so many threads about Ukraine. Therefore I will now collect good news about Ukraine here. The first one will make everyone happy, because we all hate deserters! http://new...ne-shot-dead-in-spain-13075929 Russian helicopter pilot who defected to Ukraine shot dead in Spain Maxim Kuzminov's body was found with gunshot wounds last week near Alicante in southern Spain. A Russian pilot who defected to Ukraine last year has reportedly been found dead in an underground car park in Spain. Maxim Kuzminov's body was found with gunshot wounds on 13 February in the town of Villajoyosa, near Alicante in southern Spain. Spanish media reported that investigators were searching for two suspects who had fled in a vehicle that was later found burnt out in a nearby town. During a flight between two Russian air bases last August, Mr Kuzminov instead landed in Kharkiv, Ukraine with his Mi-8 helicopter as part of a secret operation. Ukraine's GUR military intelligence said it had lured him into defecting. Russian state media claimed at the time of the defection that Mr Kuzminov shot and killed two crew members on board the helicopter who were unhappy about landing in Ukraine. Mr Kuzminov was also shot in the leg during the flight, but it was unclear by whom. In an interview broadcast by Ukraine's authorities at the time, Mr Kuzminov said: "I contacted representatives of Ukrainian intelligence, explained my situation, to which they offered this option: 'Come on, we guarantee your safety, guarantee new documents, guarantee monetary compensation, a reward'." In a separate documentary, Mr Kuzminov accused Putin of committing "genocide" in Ukraine. He said: "I am very offended by what is happening now [in Ukraine]. Murder, tears, blood. Just people killing each other. "What is happening now is just genocide of the Ukrainian people, both Ukrainian and Russian." Officers from Russia's GRU military intelligence outfit had previously said on Russian state television that they received the order for Mr Kuzminov's execution. One officer said: "We'll find the man and punish him for betraying his brothers to the fullest extent of our country's law." Russian state media blamed Ukraine for Mr Kuzminov's death, with TASS claiming: "Ukrainian intelligence agencies could have eliminated [Mr Kuzminov] as an inconvenient witness." Mr Kuzminov is believed to have been living in Spain with a Ukrainian passport under a different name. His wife and children were brought to Ukraine before he defected. His death comes just days after Vladimir Putin's main opponent Alexei Navalny died in an Arctic penal colony. Mr Kuzminov is not the first Russian dissident to be killed in Europe. Alexander Litvinenko was killed after he was given a radioactive cup of tea in London in 2006. A public inquiry subsequently concluded that Putin had "probably" personally instructed Moscow's federal security service, the FSB, to arrange the murder. In 2018, two officers from the GRU allegedly tried to kill the Russian double-agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury.
murder Member	Thu Feb 22 11:54:13 Create as many threads as you like. jergul won't delete them. It goes against his moderating philosophy. Also ... Fight the power! :o)
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Feb 22 23:57:11 If you really think about it: the whole world is Russian, or should be! http://tass.com/politics/1750137 Medvedev admits getting to Kiev for reaching targets of special military operation The politician presented two arguments for the necessity to get to Kiev, saying that, first, this is a Russian city and, second, the international threat to Russia’s existence comes from there MOSCOW, February 22. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev believes that it might be required to get to Kiev for reaching the targets of the special military operation. He also warned in response to a question from TASS during a media session with Russian reporters about the geographic borders of the special military operation that the conflict might not be limited to the current stage. "Where to stop? I don’t know. I think that considering what I have said [about the necessity to create a safety cordon] we will have to work much and hard. Will it be Kiev? Yes, it should probably be Kiev as well. If not now then some time later, probably during some other stage of this conflict’s development," Medvedev said. The politician presented two arguments for the necessity to get to Kiev, saying that, first, this is a Russian city and, second, the international threat to Russia’s existence comes from there. "Though Kiev is a Russian city in its roots, it is managed by an international team of Russia’s opponents headed by the United States of America. All that formally perform functions there are figure-heads with neither conscience, nor fear for the future of their country, nor possibilities. All decisions are taken across the pond and in the NATO headquarters. This is absolutely obvious. This is why yes, it may be Kiev as well," he stressed.
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 23 07:50:36 Does Medvedev spout shit off just for the sake of spouting shit off or is he actually being reflective of Soviet state policy? He seems to get off on saying the most outrageous and inflammatory statements possible.
Paramount Member	Fri Feb 23 10:24:03 USA has Lindsey Graham. Russia has Dmitrij Medvedev. Keep on your crying.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 23 15:04:55 Splash another mainstay
murder Member	Sat Feb 24 09:03:39 "Does Medvedev spout shit off just for the sake of spouting shit off or is he actually being reflective of Soviet state policy? He seems to get off on saying the most outrageous and inflammatory statements possible." He's Putin's puppet playing the role he's been assigned. Remember, Dmitry Medvedev was the placeholder "President" of Russia when Putin was term limited after his second term and still gave a shit about such things. He has no positions or will of his own.
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Mar 05 11:30:47 Second-rate weapons are enough to defeat a fake nation like "Ukraine", why should we deploy our elite tanks there and show NATO what they're made of? It must be a humiliation for the "Ukrainians" that they are not worthy of our best weapons^^ http://www...oo-costly-weapons-maker-2024-3 Moscow is unlikely to be using its new tank, the T-14 Armata, on the battlefield in Ukraine because the system is far too costly, the head of a Russian state-owned weapons manufacturer said on Monday. The new T-14 is much more advanced and functional than Russia's arsenal of existing tanks, but it is "too expensive" to be fielded in Ukraine, Sergey Chemezov, director general of the defense conglomerate Rostec, told the RIA state news agency. The Armata is estimated to cost between $5 million and $9 million, considerably more expensive than Russia's T-90, T-80, and T-72 tanks — all of which Moscow has deployed in Ukraine. All of these tanks have suffered heavy losses there as well. Chemezov clarified that the new main battle tank is in service with the Russian army. When the Armata was unveiled in 2015, it drew concern from some Western analysts who worried that the next-generation tank could rival NATO systems like the M1 Abrams, Challenger 2, or Leopard 2, which Ukraine has employed against Russia. Russia has touted the T-14 as "cutting-edge" weaponry The three-man crew can remotely operate its 125 mm cannon from the safety of the hull, which is protected by thick armor. The Armata also contains sophisticated sensors, onboard drones, technology that can defend it against enemy anti-tank rockets, and various automated functions. But years into its development, the T-14 program has run into problems, including delays, manufacturing problems, and reduction of the overall fleet size. There have also been question about the tank's reliability. Britain's defense ministry said in early 2023 that Russia was considering the deployment of its Armatas to Ukraine, but called it a "high-risk decision" given its issues. The UK said the tanks would strain Russia's logistics chain because they are heavier and larger than other armor, and it noted that commanders would be "unlikely to trust" the system in combat. Russian state media previously claimed that its T-14s had already deployed to Ukraine, with examples ranging from short front-line stints to shooting at Kyiv's forces from a distance without participating in direct assault operations — the latter resembling Moscow's experience with its Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jet. Ukrainian intelligence, however, has pushed back on these claims and said it hasn't seen any T-14s in action. Chemezov told RIA that it's easier for the Russian military to buy older T-90s — a third-generation main battle tank — than it is to field the T-14s in Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin previously bragged that the T-90 was the "world's best tank," although Ukraine has managed to destroy these systems with small drones and armored vehicles. In one particular incident that went viral earlier this year, a US-made Bradley was captured on video obliterating a T-90M with chain gun fire. Russia's arsenal of heavy armor — including its tank force — has taken a serious beating in Ukraine since the start of the full-scale invasion more than two years ago. Moscow likely initially deployed around 1,300 tanks and more than 5,000 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers in Ukraine, and its losses now stand at 2,700 tanks and 5,000 IFVs and APCs, Britain's defense ministry shared in a Sunday intelligence update. Beyond these armor losses, more than 355,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded since the war started, per Britain's figures. Last month saw Moscow suffer its highest casualty rate of any month during the bloody campaign, averaging 983 losses a day. "The increase in the daily average almost certainly reflects Russia's commitment to mass and attritional warfare," Britain said. '"Although costly in terms of human life, the resulting effect has increased the pressure on Ukraine's positions across the front line."
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 12:36:14 "Cost" is a placeholder for production rates. What Chemezov is actually saying is that division strength buildup needing 300 tanks also needs a production-repair ratio able to replace or return vehicles to combat. Equiping and sending a brigade to combat with a new type of tank simply creates a Franken army of semideposible vehicles. I doubt Russia has begun equipping a division. The 40 odd vehicles that may have been delivered are for field testing, training and familiarization purposes. Stable production of 2 a day would take 6 months to equip a division, but would be enough to sustain 3 brigades on a 2:1 rotation scheme engaging in the type of offensive actions we see now. Russia might be producing 1 a week right now, but that can scale up fast.
murder Member	Tue Mar 05 13:52:24 First of all ... any numbers coming out of the UK are guaranteed to be 100% bullshit. From the start they've been a mix of Ukraine's hype man and PT Barnum. As for the T-14s, they aren't being used because they'd get wrecked. Western anti-tank weapons would wreck any tank that Russia could roll out, and they simply can't afford a lot of high end systems. Not even what passes for high end systems in Russia.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 05 14:16:08 Another russian corvette in the 1000 ton class sunk by those motorboat drones. She was close to shore in good weather so most of her crew, but not all, were rescued, plus those drones are not that big, but the black sea fleet keeps getting fucked by them.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 05 15:35:18 Is there a black sea fleet left even?
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 15:47:56 Murder The T-14 are not being used because they do not exist in combat formations yet. Incidentally, Ukrainian anti tank weapon kills are way down. Like way, way down. Due to evolving tactics mostly.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 15:53:05 Nimi Russia can re-enforce the black sea fleet any time it likes using internal waterways in Russia. So it will never run out of ships (The Caspian flotilla is part of the black sea fleet and can access the black sea by way of river-canal systems). Not a theoretical capability. It has transferred at least two missile corvettes. Anyway, knock yourself out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 05 16:20:29 Did you just go full Ackchyually!!!1 on my roast of the Russian Black sea fleet? Tsk... I am surprised you didn't break out some Jergul math. wElL acktchualLY the shipyards can work 3 shifts and replacement levels are bla bla bla bla. At this point I don't know if I rooting for Ukraine for the security of Europe or just to see you heart broken.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 05 17:49:37 Jergul is an interesting fellow. He refuses to actually argue in good faith about russias position. Is Russia winning? Absolutely. But Russia wanted this war to be over in a few weeks, a few months at most. Russia sure as shit didn't want this war to drag on for 2+ years, lose a shit ton of men, equipment and even their ships which they cannot afford to replace. So Russia is this war but at what cost? Realistically what they are gonna take from Ukraine will be next to worthless and their victory will a victory in name only.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 20:32:55 Nimi Point was that Russia has lots of black sea fleet left and can always bring in more. 13 ships of all sizes, most of them very small, is not, ackchyally, a big deal. Those ships will not win or lose wars for Ukraine. As it looks, the lack of regular grunt frontline infantry will be the faultline Ukrainian forces will collapse on. Tough decisions lay ahead. Ukraine should be retraining artillery, ground crew, air defence staff, and navy technicians to fill frontline infantry positions. There is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. My concern is that a combination of corruption and institutional resistance will make critical reform impossible. Obam Stylistically, Russia wanted a cabinet war. Inflict quick defeats on Ukraine to force it to give concessions at the negotiating table. Quick defeats scored. Ukraines standing army was decimated and Russia held positions deep inside Ukraine. Thing is, concessions at the negotiation table were not Ukraine's only option. It could also mobilize and engage in a state war where the ability to moblize resources would determine what side pays a much stiffer price than the relatively moderate concessions originally wanted. This is not a postdefacto justification. Moltke formulated the problem when the French refused to give concessions (a french-german province in France Prussia wanted), but instead went for a total mobilization. So yah, Ukraine upped the stakes, so will now lose more if it loses. Way more. Maltke theorised that the only way to avoid a revanchist war later on was to engage in a war of elimination. Not in a genocidal sense, but rather by permanently dismantling the state in question and removing the means of reinitiating conflict by whatever rump state remains after that process is complete. That was Ukraine's sovereign choice. Respect, though the decision makers were way less risk adverse than I would have been in their shoes. Russia undoubtably wants Odesa and Kharkiv if it is thinking along the lines of Moltkes theories.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 20:42:08 Obam I have formulated that last point differently earlier and still stand by it, but I looked closer into what theoretical framework Russia must be referencing (its planners and theorists are historically very academically minded) and Moltke seemed the obvious fit.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 05 20:48:07 Make no mistake. State wars are a two way street. Russia no longer has the option of simply pulling back to the feb-22 boundaries and calling it a day. It will definitely lose big, most likely through balkanization, if it loses. Along the same principle. Russia has to be broken big time to avoid a revanchist war at a later date. Zelenskijs peace plan underlines that aspect. Tailored to be unacceptable under any circumstance no matter who is in power in Moscow. Either Russia or Ukraine is going to exit this as a failed, broken state.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 06 05:11:16 Jergul just went full calculator mode to conceal his desire for Russia to win in Ukraine. "As it looks, the lack of regular grunt frontline infantry will be the faultline Ukrainian forces will collapse on" The casualty ratios are such, that you should be worried about the consequences when Russia needs to start conscripting others than peasants and prisoners, and really tap into the urban centers. That is the hurdle of expansionist wars of Empire vs energizing your population to defend itself against invasion. Obaminated "Is Russia winning? Absolutely" I am not willing to say "absolutely", it's not abundantly clear that they are winning. Right now developments are also congruent with slowly losing. We have to consider that Annexing _parts_ of Ukraine is plan C for Russia. Plan A was to keep a Russian friendly Ukraine out of western alliances, plan B was the initial broad invasion and regime change to implement plan A. This is the 5 AM drunken pick up outside the club as it is closing kind of win. IF they can pull it off.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 06:14:50 Nimi went into full troll mode because he is intellectually lazy, so just does not know enough about the conflict. The casualty ratios favour the side dominating in artillery and aerial bombs as those things always go. My best guess is Ukrainians soldiers dying at 3 times the rate of Russians. Since you requested calculator numbers. Expansion is primarily a function of dismembering chunks of Ukraine to limit revanchist options after the conflict ends. The war is now about breaking Ukraine or breaking Russia. Those are the only two ways it can end. If it ends.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 06:17:19 Nobody including Obam thinks Russia is winning absolutely. The "Absolutely" was just acknowleging that the hopes we had for Ukraine's summer offensive did not bear fruit and that the offensive was Ukraine's last best hope. The war is in a different, irreversable stage now.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 06 06:36:59 Your best guess is not something anyone should consider. I have not forgotten all the crazy things you said about Russia expanding Syrian air-defenses and Israeli losses to follow as a result. And I certainly have not forgotten the crazy thing you were saying October 7-8th 2023. You clearly have trouble outside linearity and multi-factorial outcomes. As a result your predictions range from really stupid in the short term to very fragile in the medium to long term. "Nobody", includes the person who wrote "it's not abundantly clear they are winning / congruent with losing" in response to "absolutely". So it is, bizarrely redundant for you to write that comment.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 06:53:16 Nimi You have forgotten. Air defences generate access denial. Israel can and will attack Syria with stand-off weapons, some of which will survive. Strong words from a man that absolutely misunderstood what Obam was saying. But yes, the 3:1 ratio is just my best guess. Probably a poor one. It is probably closer to 5:1, but I decided to err on the side of caution. Aerial bombs and artillery are the great killers in all majore wars since wwi. It simply is a numbers game. Russia is using way more of those, so way more Ukrainian soldiers are dying. You should try to let your hatred of me go. It is kind of unbecoming for a man of your age.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 06:57:38 Your comment on air defences does illustrate how little you know. Ukraine successfully held Russian airpower off the frontlines for 15 months using predominantly soviet era stuff using Nato ISR support. Only the advent of lancet drones forced air defences back beyond coverage of the frontlines. Access denial. Not very many Russian planes were shot down. Russia knew it could not use airpower sustainably on the front line.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Mar 06 07:18:47 You can only hate, that which you don't understand. It should not come as a surprise, given how well I understand you and your psychology (often better than yourself), but I have a lot of sympathy for people like you because I can empathize, not to be confused with "agree with". You do however voice dangerous ideas and are hilariously stupid. Very bad combo.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 06 07:34:11 "You should try to let your hatred of me go. It is kind of unbecoming for a man of your age." I actually think that should be encouraged. Don't you think that could mean his wife might get slapped around the apartment a little less tonight? I know, I know, I might just be unrealistically optimistic, but it's possible
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 07:35:11 Nimi You dont understand and lost the capacity to ever understand when you joined CC is her rabbit hole. You chose hatred in general and in specifics, bro. Because, as you say, you lack the ability to understand. You are also really, really bad at empathy. I can only advise that you grow up. Your outlook is quite unbecoming for a man of your age.
murder Member	Wed Mar 06 09:23:04 "Aerial bombs and artillery are the great killers in all majore wars since wwi. It simply is a numbers game. Russia is using way more of those, so way more Ukrainian soldiers are dying." That's simply not how things work. One missile on target is more effective than 100 unguided rockets. One guided artillery shell on target is more effective than 100 dumb ones. It's not the early 1900s anymore.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 06 09:48:22 Murder Russia has significantly more precision munitions than Ukraine. At a ratio higher than its nominal shell advantage. Precision munitions enhance the role of artillery and aerial systems, not distract from it. On target is also a relative thing. Precision drift can be quite significant in a hostile EW environment. For laser guided munitions, the Russian advantage is absolutely dominating. Even so, quantity has its own qualities. 15k dumb shells a day does more harm than 60 guided guide bombs overall. See the US and EU struggle to upscale the production of dumb munitions for details on how important mundane shells remain.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 09 19:52:48 Here is a quintessential problem. By jergulmath calculations, Ukraine is short about 7k general infantry in the trenches facing russian forces on active frontlines right now. Why the fuck is that such an insurmountable problem? There are answers. You will not like any of them.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 10 03:46:38 Good news: ”Russia is currently greatly weakened and there is a window for NATO countries to strengthen their defense capabilities.” This is what the Swedish Defense Minister Pål Jonson (M) says in an interview with SvD.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Mar 10 06:14:26 Now everybody can see who is the real warmonger: Poland and whole NATO! http://not...tional-armed-forces-in-europe/ Poland votes to suspend participation in Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Mar 8, 2024 Poland’s parliament has voted overwhelmingly in favour of suspending the country’s participation in an international treaty limiting the size of military forces in Europe that has been in place since 1990. The move is part of a wider NATO decision to suspend the operation of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) in response to ******’s decision to withdraw from it last year. The CFE was agreed in 1990 by NATO and Warsaw Pact member countries as part of the process of bringing the Cold War to an end. It introduced limits on the stationing and possession of key categories of conventional military equipment. However, in November last year ****** announced that it was unilaterally withdrawing from the treaty, claiming that the US-driven eastward expansion of NATO had rendered it void. ****** had already suspended its participation in CFE in 2007. NATO condemned ******’s decision and announced in response that its member states intended to suspend operation of the treaty. Earlier this week, Moldova, a non-NATO signatory of the CFE, also announced plans to suspend its participation.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 10 06:35:46 Russia has a right to defend themselves. They don’t want to be americanized. http://youtu.be/4Z08GJ0Z5eM
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Mar 10 08:27:07 This may seem terrible to watch. But they died for a greater good, for a greater Russia! Make Russia greater again, expand its territory! I'm sure their parents will watch this video every year at their birthdays and will be proud on what they did for Russia and our emperor! http://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1766793043263324615
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 11 14:18:52 More good news. Genocide Joe finally spoke the truth. In a recent interview with MSNBC, President Joe Biden said: “America made a mistake. We went after Osama bin Laden until we got him, but we shouldn’t have gone into Ukraine.” http://men...ake-regarding-going-to-Ukraine
Hrothgar Member	Mon Mar 11 16:01:55 You guys still getting victory boners over Russia slogging along like a morbidly obese granny in a Walmart scooter down the cake isle? "3 days to Kiev" to "After 2 years of grinding human destructions we victoriously take a few KMs of ruined towns devoid of human life once very 6 months" is some serious victory condition drift between those two attitudes.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 11 16:42:41 Hrothgar Territory by all accounts is not the metric that matters. Now it is about grinding down the opposition through positional warfare and attrition. Territory is merely the space where this takes place. For both parties. Ukraine knows battles of maneuvre are not currently on the table for it either. You are not wrong. Analytically, Russia wanted a cabinet war to inflict sharp defeats on Ukraine's professional army, and use those to extract political concessions. That outcome was plausible. It was what the March negotiations were all about. But Ukraine also had a different option than concessions. Mass mobilization a State War. Which is what is playing out now. A high stakes gambit. Ultimately, either Ukraine or Russia has to exit this type of war as a failed state both unwilling and unable to initiate a revanchist war a few years down the road.
murder Member	Mon Mar 11 17:29:22 Ukraine is currently fighting a two front war vs Russia and the MAGA Republican Party.
LazyCommunist Member	Wed Mar 13 08:16:39 YOUR VAMPIRE BALL IS OVER!!!! Destroying the western hegemony is only the first step, after that Putin will bring full communism to our planet! http://www.rt.com/russia/594197-putin-vampire-ball-west/ 13 Mar, 2024 ‘Your vampire ball is over’ – Putin to Western elites Exploitation of other nations by the so-called “golden billion” is coming to an end, the Russian president has stated The era of Western elites being able to exploit other nations and other peoples across the world is coming to an end, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an exclusive interview published by Rossiya 1 and RIA Novosti on Wednesday. The president stated that over the past few centuries, the so-called “golden billion” has grown accustomed to being able to “fill their bellies with human flesh and their pockets with money” as they have been “parasitizing” other peoples in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. ”But they must understand that the vampire ball is ending,” Putin said. He added that the citizens of the aforementioned regions, which have been continuously exploited by the West over the past 500 years, have started to associate Russia’s struggle for sovereignty with “their own aspirations for sovereignty and independent development.” At the same time, Putin noted that Western elites have a very strong desire to “freeze the current situation” and preserve the “unjust state of affairs in international affairs.” Previously, in his keynote address to Russia’s Federal Assembly last month, Putin stated that the West, with its “colonial habits” of “igniting national conflicts all over the world,” intends to do everything it can to stall Russia’s development and turn it, as it did Ukraine, into a dying failed state. ”In place of Russia, they want a dependent, withering, dying space, where they can do whatever they want,” he said. The president followed up on those comments in Wednesday’s interview, stating that many Western elites, who have been “blinded by their Russophobia” were “thrilled” when they were able to push Russia to the point where it had to launch its military offensive in Ukraine in order to end the war unleashed by the West in 2014. ”They were even happy, I think, because they believed that now they would finish us off using a barrage of sanctions, having practically declared a sanctions war against us, and with the help of Western weapons in the hands of Ukrainian nationalists,” said Putin, suggesting that this mindset was behind Western calls to “inflict a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield.” Now, the West appears to have realized that defeating Russia in this way is not only unlikely, but impossible due to the unity of its people, the fundamental foundations and stability of its economy and the growing potential of its military, the president said. ”Those who are smarter” have now come to the conclusion that it is necessary to change their strategy in relation to Russia, Putin surmised.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 22 04:54:50 Ironically, the best outlook for Ukraine may very well be a Trump presidency. Trump could very well a solid supporter of "the best deals ever" loan packages to fund purchases from military storage. If Trump loses? Well, stolen election CTs will make it impossible for MAGA dominated GOP caucasuses to support Biden initiatives on Ukraine. And the GOP is more likely than not to take both house and senate, and will almost certainly take one of the legislatures.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 12:44:10 Not sure if this is good news or not, but I post it here: Russia begins war http://youtu.be/zM739vX1ezQ
LazyCommunist Member	Fri Mar 22 14:51:18 Yes we will now begin war, Ukraine will pay for this http://apn...7db5bb4ad4df17b6cbd04a3250faa1 Kremlin says 40 killed and more than 100 wounded in attack on Moscow concert hall MOSCOW (AP) — Russia’s Federal Security Service said 40 people died and more than 100 were wounded in an attack Friday at a Moscow concert hall. The attack, which Russian authorities are investigating as terrorism, is the deadliest in Russia in recent years. Several gunmen burst into the concert hall on the edge of Moscow and sprayed visitors with automatic gunfire, killing and wounding dozens and starting a massive blaze. Russian media reported that the venue’s roof was collapsing.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 15:03:44 They likely got the order from Genocide Joe in the US, or from the UK. Maybe from Macron even. He’s been very frustrated and angry lately.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 22 15:15:03 Probably russians attacking themselves.
TheChildren Member	Fri Mar 22 15:16:32 is this shit bout 2 escalate and hit da fan, damn big time shuld we be gettin scared now 2? damn, i think so. avoid crowdz and shat next few months.
TheChildren Member	Fri Mar 22 15:19:17 shits armed like miliytary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrVj9f3Caw
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 15:20:15 ” Ukraine was not involved in the attack on the concert hall outside Moscow. This is what Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyi's adviser Mychajlo Podoljak writes on Telegram, according to AFP.” Lol. Yeah. So it was Genocide Joe or Macron then?
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 15:22:56 Hopefully Russia can capture them alive and use torture to make them speak.
TheChildren Member	Fri Mar 22 15:33:32 lookz like they caught one lrdy... whiter than albino.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 22 15:37:08 Lol moscow got buttfucked.
TheChildren Member	Fri Mar 22 15:43:54 holy crap, they had flamethrowass... now we know how theres firez and shits in da building... u culd see dude grab a flamethrowa by da end. http://twi...s-largest-concert-hall-reports
jergul large member	Fri Mar 22 16:50:05 So, sammy, is it time for Russia to tactically nuke Bodunov? You generally favour escalation if memory serves.
LazyCommunist Member	Fri Mar 22 16:58:24 ISIS claims responsibility, of course we know that's not true.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 22 17:08:15 If it ISIS then we know who it is who is pulling the strings: Israeli official warns Russia: ‘You will pay for backing Hamas!’ “Russia supports the enemies of Israel…and Russia will pay. We will win, and then we will help Ukraine win,” says senior Likud official. http://www...ou-will-pay-for-backing-hamas/
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 22 17:42:11 That's impossible. CC was emphatic that the entire global Jewish population was conspiring with Bolshevik Chuck Schumer to capitalize on the hoax October 7 propaganda event to cause a geopolitical re-orientation where Israel would become a protectee of the BRICS+ alliance and cast off its ties with the West in its pursuit of prosecuting the dysgenics wars against us and immuninizing itself against the upcoming global slave revolt. But how can that be the case, if Russia and Israel are openly attacking each other now? Are they just pretending to be enemies even as they're signing the unholy blood pact to destroy the West with subliminal Jewish totalitarian propaganda, and I'm not smart enough to see it? Gah, if only I was capable of being more enlightened.
murder Member	Fri Mar 22 22:59:40 "So, sammy, is it time for Russia to tactically nuke Bodunov? You generally favour escalation if memory serves." That would be one way to bring things to a head.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:30:25 ISIS has no history of carrying out terrorist attacks on Russian soil. Why would they do it now, several years after they were supposedly defeated?
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:35:43 * and at this particularly time.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:40:53 ”Nuland has had a big role in the life of Ukraine and we can only guess the massive dimensions of it. Indeed, she publicly celebrated the sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, which broke the umbilical cord tying Germany to a geopolitical alliance with Russia. Last month, after a sudden visit to Kyiv, Nuland promised some nasty surprises waiting in store for the Kremlin in the Ukraine war.” http://mod...-new-era-of-us-foreign-policy/ ”Nuland promised some nasty surprises waiting in store for the Kremlin” So, first they carried out the biggest terrorist attack on European/German energy infrastructure in modern history, and now this! The terror attack on the concert hall in Moscow.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:48:09 Biden promised to destroy the Nord Stream and then Nuland promised another surprise for Russia. Case closed. Where the police at? They need to start making some arrests now.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Mar 23 04:50:22 In the next 7 days we may see a nuclear attack on Ukraine http://med...hall-terrorist-attack-arrested FSB director tells Putin all suspects in Moscow concert hall terrorist attack arrested 9:23 am, March 23, 2024 Alexander Bortnikov, the director of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), informed Russian President Vladimir Putin that 11 individuals had been arrested in connection with Friday’s terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall concert venue outside of Moscow, including all four suspects, reports Interfax, citing the Kremlin’s press service. Bortnikov told Putin that the FBS is working to identify the terrorists’ accomplices.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 04:58:50 ”Russia arrests 11 over concert hall attack, including all 4 assailants” This pretty much confirms that it was not ISIS. An islamic fanatic terrorist would not have let himself be captured. There would have been a shoot out until they were all killed or they would have detonated a suicide bomb to inflict more deaths and destruction before they go to Muhammed in paradise.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Mar 23 05:15:09 We all know that they are Ukrainians or Nazis from other countries. And this means TOTAL WAR! No more SMO! http://www...ion-ukrainian-side-2024-03-22/ Russia regards itself to be at war due to the West's intervention on Ukraine's side, the Kremlin said, shifting the language it uses to describe the conflict in an apparent move to prepare Russians for a longer and harder struggle. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov's comments, first to the Russian publication Arguments and Facts and then to reporters on a conference call on Friday, may sound unremarkable to Ukrainian and Western ears. But inside Russia, where people have been told for the past two years to refer to the war in Ukraine as a "special military operation" - a phrase designed to underline the initially limited nature of the conflict - they represent a departure and look like part of a shift to prepare people mentally for a conflict which may require more sacrifices from them. "We are in a state of war. Yes, it started out as a special military operation, but as soon as this group was formed, when the collective West became a participant in this on the side of Ukraine, it became a war for us," Peskov told Arguments and Facts.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Mar 23 05:31:08 And I have very reliable information that these guys were in fact Ukrainian Nazis, too! http://www...-in-the-north-caucasus-region/ Russia says it killed six ISIS terrorist operatives in the North Caucasus region 3 March 2024
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 06:03:48 Sacrifices like a progressive tax system. The move will increase tax revenues by 44 billion/year according to bloomberg. Moving through the Duma now.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 06:16:04 LC The war is administratively an SMO still. An important distinction as formal warmeasure acts gives the state a rediculous amount of power for the duration.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Mar 23 07:32:56 TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! http://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1771487447534178714 From RT's editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan "We already know the names of the perpetrators. We have seen their faces and know what they are saying during interrogations. (We are not publishing to avoid disrupting the investigation.) And immediately it becomes clear why yesterday American media were shouting in unison that it was ISIS. Because it's not ISIS. The perpetrators are simply chosen to convince the gullible global public that it is ISIS. It's a simple sleight of hand. The level of a street corner shell game. So here's the thing. It's not ISIS at all. It's Ukrainians. And the fact that even before the arrests, before the perpetrators' faces and names were known, Western intelligence agencies began to persuade the population that it was ISIS—that's what ignited the fire under this thief's hat. It's not ISIS. It's a well-coordinated team from several other, also widely known, abbreviations."
TheChildren Member	Sat Mar 23 08:37:57 what beef they have with russia. i call horsesht. we all know it. they have ramadan. but chose now. yea right. also, why was da roof burnin and shit...it is called signallin. 2 give da signal 2 there group waitin from da distance or maybe space satellite or drone cough cough, so they can see it.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 23 10:40:18 I like how russian conscruction techniques are so shitty that a few ragheads with bottles of gas burned down the entire theater.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 23 10:59:47 Like what did they build the roof of the giant public theater out of? Wood? The seats were oil based plastic? I havent seen incompetence like this since sebs grenfel. And at leaat that was just a shitbox for poor migrants.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 23 11:03:18 So the muslims flew to moscow on march 4-5. US intel learned about the attack and warned russia on march 6-7. Nice of us. Our intel kindof rocks, even with wokeness kreeping in. Russia ignored our warning and got buttfucked. Lmao this story is hilarious.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 11:34:02 ” why was da roof burnin and shit....” It could be for the dramatic effect. it looks more dramatic on TikTok if there is fire and smoke.
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 23 12:55:24 Kyrylo Budanov has apparently threathened Russia with terror attacks earlier. He seemed to have made a comment about this attack that has angered people, but I can’t find what he has said. Anyhoo… his days are probably numbered. I think he is going to get Kinzhaled. Maybe within 24 hours.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 23 13:10:56 You think that huh? Lmfao
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 13:23:41 lol sammy. Here is a security warning from me based on "intelligence". A mass shooting even will happen in the US soon :).
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 13:24:27 The trick you see it to be general. Then your prophecy will always come true.
murder Member	Sat Mar 23 16:40:55 Are there a lot of terror attacks in Russia?
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 16:52:44 Murder From your perspective? Barely any.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Mar 23 18:50:48 Obviously US intelligence sniffed out some muslim terrorists had flown from istanbul to moscow and were imminently planning something. The timing is too coincidental. Perhaps we hacked their phones or had a mole in their cell. Perhaps we have turkish airlines entire passenger database. Dunno how exactly but we knew.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 23 20:09:42 The problem is mostly that it does not matter. Russia will create a narrative that suits them in the same way the US created a narrative that suited when a bunch of Saudi nationals attacked New York.
TheChildren Member	Sun Mar 24 01:07:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5AFq5OLkG0
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 24 07:19:46 Are we still united against terrorism? I still have not seen or heard the Swedish government condemn this terrorist attack or offer their condolences to Russia.
Rugian Member	Sun Mar 24 07:55:48 "Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs @SweMFA Sweden is appalled by the attack at Crocus City Hall in Moscow. We condemn any attacks against civilians. Our thoughts are with all those affected." http://twitter.com/SweMFA/status/1771419939477315639
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 24 09:17:29 No one is going to read that tweet. They need to say this on tv and to the newspapers.
Paramount Member	Sun Mar 24 14:05:05 If it was ISIS, why didn't anyone yell Allahu Akbar in any of the videos? And why did they chose to flee from the scene rather than to remain on the scene and go down in a shoot out or by a suicide bomb? Maybe Genocide Joe or Voldomort Zelenskyj can explain why.
TheChildren Member	Sun Mar 24 14:11:53 false flag opz... they was mercs 4 sure
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 26 18:04:23 Looks like the terrorists received training and was preparing for this terror attack in the NATO country Turkiye. Putin has forced Erdogan to raid the training facility in Istanbul.
murder Member	Tue Mar 26 18:32:34 Erdogan thought they were training for Hamas. :o)
murder Member	Tue Mar 26 18:34:32 Russia already has these guys talking. They thought it would be like attacking the US and getting sent to Guantanamo. Welcome to the real world.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 26 18:53:15 I doubt they thought Russia would treat prisoners like America Still, odd for isis fighters, aka Muslims, to commit a terror attack causing massive casualties and not stay and fight to the death. Maybe they had a exit strategy to allow them to escape and commit further attacks but were betrayed. The US warned Russia about a pending terror but ignored it, so maybe we provided further information once Russia started to listen.
murder Member	Wed Mar 27 06:11:27 I assume that they thought that Russia was so distracted by the war that they wouldn't be able to respond. I hope they are masochists.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 27 08:09:08 Not been following in detail but: 1. No guarantee at all that the people they've arrested are the perps unless there's actual footage. Much easier to pick up some immigrants. 2. They can't respond properly, that's why they are pretending it was really Ukraine, US and UK - so they can just continue attacking Ukraine and not now have to worry about anything in another theatre.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 27 08:40:39 Seb Any other CTs to share with us?
jergul large member	Wed Mar 27 08:50:54 Like I said to sammy, Russia has to blame and punish Ukraine for the attack to avoid future copy-cat initiatives by Ukraine. For better or for worse, Ukraine is best placed to lure russian speaking mudhutters into taking weapons from caches and striking concert like venues. Based on method-means-opportunity. Nothing Ukraine has said after the attack suggests it has any moral scruples about staging such things, so we can discount the moral counter argument. Also. Track record. So yes. In this case, the facts do not matter. Russia has to treat every such terror attack as if planned and initiated by Ukraine.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 27 08:52:05 motive-means-opportunity*
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 27 09:05:08 ”The US warned Russia about a pending terror but ignored it” The US did not contact the Russian government and they never shared the info on what they knew about the terror attack with the Russian government. All that the US did was to go out on US/Western main stream media and warn THEIR OWN CITIZENS about a possible terror attack in Russia. This is why Putin responded the way he did – dismissed the whole thing as an attempt by the Americans to influence the Russian election. Had the Americans actually shared the intelligence that they had with the Russians, then it is likely that the terror attack would never have happened. So, Genocide Joe and USA are complict in the terror attack in Moscow.
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 27 09:13:04 The USA wanted the terror attack to happen. See also how happy it made Ukraine? Budanov was praising it and saying that it will happen again. The USA and Ukraine (and Israel) are offically terrorist states. ISIS-K …lol give me break. More like ISIS-UK!
Seb Member	Wed Mar 27 13:50:58 Jergul: I see, Russia should ignore the fundamentalist group that attacked them and instead blame Ukraine, to punish Ukraine (how can it do so more than it is) to deter Ukraine - who has commited no such attacks - because they are more likely to stage further attacks than Isis, that did the attacks, and Muslim minorities in Russia. Jergul thought is truly something to behold.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 27 13:52:17 Paramount: The US wanted the attack to happen so much it warned Russia it was being planned to jedi mind trick Putin into publicly dismissing the warning. Genius brain 11D chess there.
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