Utopia Talk / Politics / Morbid curiosity-Musk vs Bureaucracy

Hrothgar Member	Tue Nov 12 23:08:20 http://www...ernment-efficiency-2024-11-13/ Will we actually see a drastic increase in efficiency in the US government, notorious for deeply engrained, slow, and wasteful inertia? Or will this lead to a recession as millions lose their government jobs?
murder Member	Tue Nov 12 23:53:40 Well Elon's just going to be funneling taxpayer dollars to his own companies, so I'm going to say that the Department of Government Efficiency is going to be a total failure.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 13 00:51:58 could be how Skynet forms rearranging the letters of Elon Musk yields Miles Dyson... if you add & remove some... but not that many...
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 13 03:47:08 I'm hoping we will be able to build things again in weeks and months instead of decades.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 03:54:59 If you are a useless government employee living off the taxpayers tit? Fuck off and get a job that produces something.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 06:23:18 Um. Isn't Musk now a useless (two chairs for one dept) govt employee (dept head) living of the taxpayer (huge subsidies to his companies)? Unfortunately the US public has been set up for the grift of the century. You are about to get the absolute pillaging that the Tories did under Boris. He will certainly cut lots of public servants, but he will also dole out billions to "efficient" private sector orgs who will then deliver absolute rock bottom minimum or less than that, and pocket the money. His cos will be first at the trough but it will be a feast.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 06:23:50 You'll come out of it with much less state capacity before which will manifest whenever the next crisis hits.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 13 07:14:36 The third Musk prediction seb makes 1. He is about to mentally burn out 2. Twitter will go bankrupt/collapse
jergul large member	Wed Nov 13 08:52:48 Seb A federal model offers quite a bit of protection from that kind of abuse. Unitary states have risks that devolution cannot fully counter
jergul large member	Wed Nov 13 08:53:47 Musk is definitely on ketamin. Hang on for the ride.
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 13 09:35:51 "You'll come out of it with much less state capacity before which will manifest whenever the next crisis hits." Lol. Reminder that civilians cleared more roads and delivered more aid in NC than feds
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 13 10:03:56 Oh man seb is going to be so fucking butthurt over this. Government efficiency? Slicing red tape and laying off unnecessary talkers? This is like kryptonite for you isnt it? Like a fat man looking at lettuce and stairmasters.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:26:42 "Um. Isn't Musk now a useless (two chairs for one dept) govt employee (dept head) living of the taxpayer (huge subsidies to his companies)?" They probably don't even see the irony.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:34:06 The good news is that Elon wants to put Starlink satellites around Mars ... and then a shit ton of satellites between Earth and Mars to facilitate communication between the two planets. Elon couldn't hope to turn a profit from that idiocy or even raise the capital for it, so of course he's got his hand out to the US government ... again. The world's wealthiest man owns an empire built off the taxpayer's teats. All very efficient of course.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 13 11:38:22 Forwyn Reread. I said a federal model with powers to the State is less vulnerable to mistakes at federal level than a unitary state. The States can always cover the shortfall.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 11:40:47 The leftists in this thread seem not to realize that simply *not* being a leftist and getting rid of leftists itself makes things more efficient. Just think of how much more efficient decision-making becomes without leftists needing their hands held through simple tasks. Just think of how much more rational UP becomes when the sebguls and murders stfu. Their absence improves any situation.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:59:11 The Department of Redundancy Department.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 12:01:44 It's funny that dumbasses will defend even transparently stupid shit. The only thing that could make this funnier is if the two headed department of government efficiency recommended creating another two headed department of government efficiency to improve government efficiency.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 12:02:42 For twice the efficiency! :o)
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 13 12:03:45 "The leftists in this thread seem not to realize that simply *not* being a leftist and getting rid of leftists itself makes things more efficient." Yup. Think of how much infrastructure we could build out if every project didn't need to spend 20+ years going through approvals processes and lawsuits. Hell, England's HS2 could have been completed and extended to Glasgow by now if the right regulatory environment existed there. Sadly, the UK is lost to Western Civilization. But here in America, we still have a chance to get things right (Musk willing).
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 12:05:24 I wonder if musk will even be paid. Looking forward to how awesome it's gonna be. And yes, more civilian/non profit groups have provided more aid and support in disaster areas than fema who purposely avoid certain areas cause the orange man cult.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 12:36:37 Nim: The first was an observation, not a prediction. The second, one need only look at the user numbers and revenue. The third, let's meet back in 4 years and see if I'm right. Expect massive outsourcing of services to contractors that cost more and delivery less
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 12:38:54 Forwyn: "Reminder that civilians cleared more roads and delivered more aid in NC than feds" Yup, an already damning indictment of the existing trends on outsourcing key functions and this losing the workforce you'd task this to because you've not contracted for it from a supplier.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 12:44:17 "Hell, England's HS2 could have been completed and extended to Glasgow by now if the right regulatory environment existed there." Your regular reminder that the bulk of the "regulatory" issues were conservative local councils that didn't want to see a train, an the vast bulk of the cost overruns were from the resultant requirement to dig a giant tunnel to put the train (rather than a simple cutting) to appease said conservative councils and their voters who now complain about inefficiency. Which govt just radically simplified planning regs on the first week in power, and are making further changes? Labour. The clue is in the name: conservatives like to conserve and put in lots of barriers to getting shit done. For all the talk of efficiency, what they actually mean is "don't spend any money on anything ever, except on pensions and govt contracting to my business".
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 12:47:43 "Reminder that civilians cleared more roads and delivered more aid in NC than feds" Republicans: We kneecap the federal government and then complain that it's not doing enough.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 13 12:52:25 Ah yes, the famously pro-business and pro-growth Labour Party. That's what everyone knows them for after all. New Labour has been dead for a long time. High-tax, higher-spend government is going to fuck you over long term. One marvels at the fact that the majority of the UK's existing rail infrastructure predates the Labour Party's existence. How in God's name did anything ever get done before the era of big government? Anyway, enjoy your perpetual strikes and inflation.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 13 12:58:33 Remember when musk cut 80% of twitter staff and all the talkers and leftists cried that it would fail?
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 13:12:40 Well it's definitely failing ... http://www...4-billion-loss-since-2022.html But not because of staff cuts.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 13:14:47 http://e.i...27-afbc-abb26d31798b?src=embed
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 13:26:19 Rugian: Well I say judge people by their actions. The conservatives have been in power since 2010, their signature moves in deregulation of planning being to gut fire regulations leading to a french company deliberately and fraudulently selling flamable building cladding that killed scores of people and destroyed billions in property value trapping tens of thousands of people in negative equity. Similarly they slashed house building targets citing planning laws with multiple attempts to "fix" the issue with primary legislation. At the same time they oversaw a massive cost overruns on the countries largest infrastructure project by reflexively catering to their voters hatred of infrastructure. Then Labour came in and in the first week made a few changes to statutory guidance allowing e.g. building on the green belt etc. So, er, yeah. Remember: the conservatives are the party of rent seekers, pensioners etc. They only care about capturing value, not creating it. Labour are the party of those that actually work, and who have a vested interest in businesses being able to prosper and grow.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 13:27:17 Conservatives, of course, family headed by "Fuck Business" Boris.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 13:27:31 *famously at one point headed by
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 13:31:05 "Remember when musk cut 80% of twitter staff and all the talkers and leftists cried that it would fail?" Remember the months of broken features, degraded performance, the bungled launch of blue ticks and subs? Remember the sacking of the moderation team leading to implosion of add revenue when inability to moderate resulted in porn (including CSAM) exploding driving away advertiser's and brands, leading to multiple regulatory fines for failure to follow up on said kiddie porn, and the steady and accelerating decline in user numbers?
Seb Member	Wed Nov 13 13:32:13 Let's bring that musky business genius for efficiency to the US armed forces. Cut the number of service personnel by 80% and wait for his droid Optimus army to materialise.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 13 14:20:17 "Remember the months of broken features, degraded performance" And other than a brief transition period with slightly degraded performance twitter has worked fine. I think you are mainly butthurt because you know your job is high on the cut list
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 14:28:05 [Rugian]: "Yup. Think of how much infrastructure we could build out if every project didn't need to spend 20+ years going through approvals processes and lawsuits." 100%. Leftists are basically just corporate parasites trying to convince managerial parasites that they serve some purpose. There's a reason that sebguls map so readily onto Dickens' Circumlocution Office. Their entire purpose is to destroy the system in such a way that their vile sinecures are protected. They do not help society at all. A mass purging of sebguls can have no negative effects. They can only lie about the negative effects of their absence, like how sebfag lies about the "Conservatives" being conservative (he simply will not stop telling this lie) or where he pretends that Twitter moderation failed after Musk took over (another egregious lie given that leftists were trying to poison the site to set a narrative for sebbish Guardian readers, and leftist moderation was immediately gutted and overcame the left's control of propaganda, revealing how much of a net positive this was). But it's like that scene in that commie TV show "Superstore" where the leftists faced with mass-firings asked something like, "[But who can bag groceries like Cheyenne?]" and someone explains, "[Literally anyone. There's nothing special about what you do. You're completely replaceable.]" sebguls, murders, tumblefags, and earthfaggots are all completely replaceable. There is nothing special about them. That is why they are leftists. That is why their politics insists on parasitism; it secures their sinecures.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 13 14:43:13 It is funny that seb thinks uk conservatives are conservative.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 15:37:09 No. What's funny is that seb has a meltdown and believes the US will collapse because the government will become more efficient.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 15:41:40 seb is like a guy whose job is to shit the breakroom floor warning that if he's fired that no one will clean shit off the breakroom floor anymore.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 11:46:09 Sam: "you know your job is high on the cut list" Lol. Sam thinks Musk is getting a UK appointment!
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 11:54:18 Sam: "It is funny that seb thinks uk conservatives are conservative" They are, in they literal meaning of conservative. They object to changes to the status quo. They are pro business, in the way conservatives have always been pro the business interests of the wealthy: rent seeking businesses. Your deficiency in the history of politics and political philosophy is - again - your problem. It's the Liberals that have historically been the party of enterprise, trade and commerce. Adam Smith was a Liberal, not a conservative and when he spoke of free markets in origin of wealth he was referring to freedom from rents. Cargo-culting politics is very on-brand for you Sam. For a while, the republicans embraced neo-liberalism while claiming the mantle of conservatism in social values and the dubious claim that neoliberal tendencies were part of established American culture so championing them was conservatism. Those days are long gone, having elected a proponent of tarrifs - very much in line with e.g. traditional UK conservative policies like imperial preference and corn law etc.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 11:56:15 Essentially Sam and Rugian's problem with UK Conservatives is that they behave like conservatives not like Liberals, and his problem with Liberals and Labour is not what they do, but because he associates them with conservative policies rather than Liberal ones.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 11:57:39 It's no wonder they are so confused. For them, politics is just a matter of kit colours and cheerleaders like any other dumb sport. And this is why America is screwed.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 14 12:26:00 "Sam thinks Musk is getting a UK appointment!" Farage will cut your job when he is your next pm. Lol. "And this is why America is screwed." Lol UK would lose a war vs idaho has a lower standard of living than alabama, and is gayer than new jersey.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 15:27:04 Sam: "Farage will cut your job when he is your next pm" I doubt it, not that he will ever get in. In any case I'll just go work for a consultancy again and get paid more for the same job and call it private sector efficiency.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 14 16:41:10 What is "paid more" in uk speak these days anyways? Lol. Like i hope you at least get to live in an area with few of the high crime migrants you have a habit of importing? Can you guys afford cars yet?
obaminated Member	Thu Nov 14 16:44:34 Seb, the underpaid public servant doing what he does for the benefit of his country.... not the underpaid public servant doing what he does because he can't get a job in the private sector.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 14 16:48:35 He failed out of physics :(
Seb Member	Thu Nov 14 17:01:26 Sam: No I don't like in your fevered imagination. obaminated: I was a consultant for a bit. I like being the decision maker, not the advisor. I like that a lot more than the extra money. And yes, I enjoy public service. Funny how the right goes on about patriotism but the revealed preference is always self enrichment above all other concerns. Sam: I didn't. Did my masters , my PhD, a post doc and a bunch of publications. Made my contribution to nuclear fusion, defined o wanted something with more tangible impact. Unlike you, who failed in a number of your early ambitions.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 14 17:33:56 Lol. If only you knew my current job. Anyway if you could have managed nuclear fusion work you would have stuck with it. It is indisputable, even to a mind such as yours, that nuclear fusion will do more good for humanity than all government functionaries combined. Ever. It is even more indisputable that nuclear fusion is more interesting than all non-military government functionaries combined.
obaminated Member	Thu Nov 14 18:12:22 I don't understand the need for people on this forum to bullshit what they do. Either be honest about it or be vague but don't claim obvious bullshit. Cuckhat obviously being the most egregious.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 04:16:19 Sam: Nuclear fusion isn't going to work as an industry, so no point taking a low paid job to pursue it just to prove I could contribute after I'd already proved it. Nuclear fusion isn't more beneficial than e.g. Pandemic response by public health officials. It's also hilarious to compare these when nuclear fusion is predominantly a public programme. Like nuclear fission.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 04:17:39 Obaminated: Would you dox yourself here? You can take it or leave it.
obaminated Member	Fri Nov 15 05:43:40 That's why I said be honest or vague. Also why I've never said exactly where I live or exactly what I do. Lord knows if fagfish knew what I did for a living he could ruin me by associating with this site.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 06:38:12 I'm honest and vague. You can take it on trust or ignore it. That said for those who've been on the site for about 25 years and have a good memory...
murder Member	Fri Nov 15 07:17:53 Or investigative skills.
murder Member	Fri Nov 15 08:05:02 Great news guys! Elon Musk is looking for suckers ... I mean volunteers to work 80+ hours a week for no pay! http://www...urs-a-week-with-no-pay-7024545 But he only wants sexy people.
murder Member	Fri Nov 15 08:08:05 Honestly what trust fund incel doesn't have 80+ hours a week to spend doing tedious work for free?
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 15 08:37:30 "Nuclear fusion isn't more beneficial than e.g. Pandemic response by public health officials. " Lol wut.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 10:46:54 Sam: Marginal benefits of fusion over fission are minimal (one of the reasons I left the field) - all effective pandemic response has been by the public officials, and even relatively mild ones fuck the economy sideways; and a bad one is one of the most likely things to destroy civilisation. So yeah, effective public health delivery is many, many times more beneficial than nuclear fusion, and that's only one non-military government function. I'd also add building and maintaining strategic transport infrastructure, particularly roads. Easily and demonstrably more beneficial than nuclear fusion. But given nuclear fusion research has 90% been delivered by government functions in the form of national labs etc. it's kind of a no brainer. Is set greater than sub set? Yes.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 15 11:00:59 "all effective pandemic response has been by the public officials" So... utterly ineffective and useless. Amazing self-own.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 11:18:53 Sam thinks eliminating smallpox was of no value. Guess you are right behind Kenedy being appointed eh?
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 15 11:59:45 99% of that effort goes to doctors. Public policy is much more retarded in recent years. We have a very clear example how inept public policy utterly failed against the latest pandemic.
Forwyn Member	Fri Nov 15 12:06:05 "Yup, an already damning indictment of the existing trends on outsourcing key functions and this losing the workforce you'd task this to because you've not contracted for it from a supplier." It's rather pie-in-the-sky to expect to have a fleet of dozers and excavators sitting mothballed, ready to drop on top of a fucking mountain lol. Municipalities have these because they use them. Farmers on the mountain have them because they use them. "Nuclear fusion isn't more beneficial than e.g. Pandemic response by public health officials." Lol yes it is. By magnitudes.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 15 12:13:24 everything good about modern life comes from the work of scientists and engineers. Athens and rome had the same bureaucrats. Better, some of them, at least relative to the latest crop of incompetent modern ones.
Forwyn Member	Fri Nov 15 12:29:55 The word "quarantine" originated with Black Death. Which contributed more to the virtual extermination of plague, Sebs or tetracycline?
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 12:34:54 Forwyn: "Municipalities have these because they use them." Municipalities are part of "the state" - but they won't have them in future. The model you'll head down is to flog them off to a private company, who'll rent it back as a service, cream a profit. call it efficient; and in emergency demand a change request.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 12:36:14 Sam: "Public health officials aren't employed by the state". Lol.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 12:38:56 It's hilarious watching you twats invent these imaginary state functionaries because you can't handle that these people you've been calling bureaucrats doing this shit *are* doctors, engineers, scientists etc whilst also being civil servants employed by the state to run public health, engineering and research by the state that the private sector wouldn't ever do.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 15 12:40:20 On fusion. Most likely the capital costs of any production will lead to prohbitive pricing. So a niche, artisan way of generating usuable energy. With that said, we do need niche, artisan nuclear submarines, CVs and spaceships. Perhaps nice for antarctic research bases too. Beyond that? Nothing anyone currently living on this planet will see rolled out in any meaningful numbers. So, nah. Seb is way more useful.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 15 12:42:18 Frankly, the only massive cuts the US can make to government is the bloated civil service wearing combat uniforms. Do you really need a military more expensive than the rest of the world combined? Amazingly, most of you think you do. The cognitive dissonance in thinking government bad, military good is quite stunning.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 13:26:53 jergul: None of the plausible fusion reactor schemes would work for subs, carrier or spaceship. Power to mass ratios and power to volume ratio's don't work. Fission beats it every time. Fission reactors being commercialised by a bunch civil servants working for the state. The British State as it happens.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 13:27:04
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 13:27:41 "So, nah. Seb is way more useful." I mean, sure it's a comparative statement, but I think that is the nicest thing you've ever said to me jergul. I might print it out and frame it.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 15 13:28:30 "these people you've been calling bureaucrats doing this shit *are* doctors, engineers, scientists" Lmfao
murder Member	Fri Nov 15 13:41:52 "Frankly, the only massive cuts the US can make to government is the bloated civil service wearing combat uniforms. Do you really need a military more expensive than the rest of the world combined?" We literally parked two armies clear on the other side of the planet for two decades. That's how oversized our armed forces are. There is no legitimate reason for maintaining an armed force that can occupy two far off nations. We could and should do away with the entire army and air national guards ... for starters.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 13:43:40 Sam literally can't handle the idea that civil servant refers to who you are employed by, not your profession.
murder Member	Fri Nov 15 13:44:23 "I mean, sure it's a comparative statement, but I think that is the nicest thing you've ever said to me jergul." I was wondering if it hurt when he pressed "submit reply".
Forwyn Member	Fri Nov 15 13:53:56 "Municipalities are part of "the state" - but they won't have them in future." "The state" isn't a monolith. Leftists often confuse this when screeching about pushes for federal cuts: "Who would pay for muhhh roads, muhhh firefighters, muhhh schools?" Cities and states, as they do already. We don't need EU-level disaster relief. For the most part, all the feds have to offer is cash and military surplus.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 14:19:17 murder: Not at all, he is smart enough to know it will hurt me more to feel obligated to acknowledge the compliment.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 15 14:24:00 Forwyn: ""The state" isn't a monolith." - yeah who said it was? "We don't need EU-level disaster relief." I mean that's an interesting take in my view. Having at least some federal capacity seems a sensible idea given that individual states can be overwhelmed by large infrequent events which it would be less economic for each state to maintain a separate low utilisation capacity for. The fact you have to rely on charity to do core state responsibilities is like disaster response points to a fundamental capacity / capability gap.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 15 14:46:57 Seb You are welcome! I have kittens, so am charitable :). Gravity well is a problem for orbital lifting mass (but for artisan projects...does it matter?), but mass and volume are not otherwise terribly limiting in space or at sea. Though those are just examples pulled out of my mass. Uhm ass. My point was that fission is not really commercial at scale, but can have niche applications none the less. My imagination on what nich may be flawed.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 15 14:49:06 Fusion rather*
Seb Member	Sat Nov 16 04:21:01 Jergul: Low energy to mass is problematic for a thrust perspective. Plus a need to handle not only very high temperatures but very low ones isn't great for space where heat management is a bitch.
Seb Member	Sat Nov 16 05:34:11 Sam I think, is just having a bit of a breakdown driven by cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, we know he knows it's stupid and against US interests and unAmerican to let the Russians win in Ukraine. He also knows Trump is a catastrophe and appointing a health secretary that says there's no such thing as a safe and effective vaccine is dumb as rocks. On the other hand he's entirely invested in believing himself and his country superior to others so he absolutely cannot acknowledge this. Instead he diverts his entire faculties to seeking out facts to create a worldviews that other countries are worse to maintain the integrity of his world view. Alas, this mentality is how great powers fall.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 16 13:17:10 "Alas, this mentality is how great powers fall." This from the guy whose red tape high taxes and high crime immigration drove all the high iq innovators from his country to mine, making mine better and his worse. Lol Thanks buddy. You do make it easy for us. Sure trump is a shithead, but heres the hilarious thing... the US under trump is still better than the eu/uk. Your incompetence has made you worse than trump.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 06:01:02 "crime immigration drove all the high iq innovators from his country to mine" Except: 1. It hasn't. 2. There's a greater brain drain to Europe which has higher taxes so...
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 06:02:26 "the US under trump is still better than the eu/uk" Cf. "Instead he diverts his entire faculties to seeking out facts to create a worldviews that other countries are worse to maintain the integrity of his world view." Countries that elect folks like Trump don't stay top for long.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 12:05:01 "1. It hasn't." Lol care to name some british innovation that is newer than the dehaviland comet? "Countries that elect folks like Trump don't stay top for long." While in a sane world you would be correct... look who our competition is: even more tyrannical and incompetent russia, china and you. Lol.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 12:29:26 "Lol care to name some british innovation that is newer than the dehaviland comet?" We've covered this a number of times in the last week with me giving you a list, including pointing out the architecture of moss of the chips in the products in your house are using licensed British tech, and the fact that the AI architectures behind chatGPT originated with DeepMind. Don't propose to repeat that a fourth time. "While in a sane world you would be correct..." China may be tyranical but it is behaving in a far smarter fashion. A sane and functional US could beat it, but it's going to eat you for breakfast because you are dumb, lazy, greedy and cowardly. I mean look at you. You're too gutless to even address the deficiencies and failures of your own "tribe" and instead turn outwards trying to console yourself by projecting deficiencies on others.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 16:17:12 So there was a few intelligent brits and they all left to work for us companies? Geee why did they leave?
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 16:42:13 They didn't leave. They are still here, the same way that ARM hasn't decamped to wherever SoftBank is headquartered. All that happened is that Google bought the company. Hence, we need to stop letting foreign monopolies buy our IP, and protect our domestic market to allow domestic IP to scale.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 17:43:41 So... you are claiming people that sold their tech and got rich... would stay in high tax shitty climate no fun uk?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 17:53:50 Heres some actual data instead of listening to the lies of seb. http://wor...ry-rankings/patents-by-country Despite being 1/5th the us population the UK only has 1/30th of the patents compared with the USA. Europe as a whole is waaaayyyyy below US and asia. Thats why you are on the american internet on an american designed computer, built in asia, running american software. Theres no place in the modern world for the UK and your incompentant ways. Nothing much for you to do about it now but cry and get conquered by africans.
jergul large member	Sun Nov 17 20:29:52 Poor sammy does not understand how patenting works. "A patent only gives you rights in the country in which you have been granted a patent, and a Norwegian patent is only valid in Norway. If you want protection in other countries, you must submit a patent application in these countries." The US is an important market. Of course people want to apply for patent protection there much more often than in the UK. The patent application process is quite draining and costs money, so you have to be strategic about what countries you want patent protection in. Per capita number of scientific articles authored is a better measure. Norway ranks 6th, The UK 24th and the US 39th. But way to go Vatican State with first place.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 22:02:50 "Thats why you are on the american internet" The world wide web was invented in CERN by a Brit. "on an american designed computer," I'm using Huawei p20 pro, it's using chips licensed British designs.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 17 22:09:29 The correct way to deal with a Liz Truss level of incompetency is to boot it the fuck out. Thing is, Truss was foisted upon the UK by a geriatric and senile party membership that has under 200k voters. Trump won the public vote *after* his disastrous first term. The US will not be able to get him out of office, even as his policies produce chaos. The republicans will not have the courage to course correct. They will be Sam's instead, and bury their heads in the sand trying to console themselves with the fiction that everywhere else is worse.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 23:40:47 "The world wide web was invented in CERN by a Brit." Lol. "Im using Huawei p20 pro, it's using chips licensed British designs." Amazing. The uk has fallen so far, that in a discussion about how much the uk sucks, seb admits he has to resort to using a chinese phone. Hah.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 23:42:40 "Per capita number of scientific articles authored is a better measure. Norway ranks 6th" Sorry, the US doesnt actually care that you transgendered a fish and then wrote about it. We are busy designing mars colonies.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 17 23:44:44 The three norwegians that actually had good ideas were given US residency and they moved to san jose and seattle.
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