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Sam Adams
Member Wed Jan 08 09:48:33
http://pbs...W8AEHO-A?format=jpg&name=large

Lol oops.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Jan 08 09:53:53
http://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1876862059909926951

Lol more.

This is something seb would do.

murder
Member Wed Jan 08 10:19:34

Not really related but ... some people just have a talent for getting media coverage.

Alberto M. Carvalho is talking and getting national media attention ... and he's the superintendent of schools in Los Angeles!

He used to hold that position down here.

WTF does he have to do fighting the fires in California? I don't have the slightest idea.

That motherfucker can sniff out a camera and microphone from a hundred miles.

Rugian
Member Wed Jan 08 10:41:49
Re: OP...It's great that the revised order of the buzzwords literally makes the acronym DIE.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Jan 08 11:09:22
if only they had diverted the northern rivers to dampen all of the ground of California...

obaminated
Member Wed Jan 08 11:22:58
It's pretty bad. Winds are wild right now.

And sadly. I mean you can be cynical and say Darwin awards but... there is a video online with two foreigners and their dog inside their house with the fire literally in their backyard and they decided to hunker down in the house. They all burned to death. I mean. I guess some people freeze or just make bad decisions in life or death scenarios.

But fuck. If you see a huge fire and wild winds your best bet is to run and hope for the best.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Jan 08 11:43:35
Ya that video of them being in a house with their dog is retarded.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Jan 08 14:06:37
"
NO WATER IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS, NO MONEY IN FEMA. THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN IS LEAVING ME. THANKS JOE!
"
~ guess who's making things about him...

murder
Member Wed Jan 08 14:19:51

Everything is about him.

obaminated
Member Wed Jan 08 14:43:46
Tw and murder don't understand the term "the buck stops here "

He is the president. Yes. All national problems will be reflected on him.

Biden fucked him on immigration, fucked him on the economy and did his best to fuck him in the middle east.

Yet Iran is ready to talk and sell out hamas.

Immigrants are turning around because trump is here.

Liberals are freaking out because trumps main goal is to make sure the united states remains a superpower not beholden to anyone else.

TheChildren
Member Wed Jan 08 23:56:15
rofl so all da "they dunt got fuel in da rockets only watrer"

is all projection

in reality, ur country gotten soo broke, ur potholes remain unfixed for decades, ur fire exterminator stuff dunt even got water? WUT!!!!??

isnt malibu and shit one of ur richest hoods?

Paramount
Member Thu Jan 09 01:20:56
” NO WATER IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS, NO MONEY IN FEMA. THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN IS LEAVING ME. THANKS JOE!”

The Democrat’s idea of a smooth transition of power.

Paramount
Member Thu Jan 09 01:27:55
” in reality, ur country gotten soo broke, ur potholes remain unfixed for decades, ur fire exterminator stuff dunt even got water? WUT!!!!??

isnt malibu and shit one of ur richest hoods?”

Yeah. Individuals are rich but their communities are broke.

patom
Member Thu Jan 09 03:34:09
Well be reassured, once Trusk takes over Canada and gets control of the secret water faucet. He'll be able to make it rain all over California. That is after they fire Newsom and accept Trumps choice as Governor.

Seb
Member Thu Jan 09 06:22:31
Sam:

So slashing the fire department budget to fund increasing the police budget while crime is down, a very Sam policy, is fine.

The real problem is diversity!

Forwyn
Member Thu Jan 09 10:24:12
Hmm, I wonder what race/sex/affiliation the LA mayor is, Seb?

Lul. I wonder if the city commissioner board makeup is similar?

Lul

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 10:42:31
And where is the LA mayor? Ghana.

That's where a cities mayor should be, A foreign country.

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 10:43:24
Also newsom is a fantastic governor. When asked about why fire hydrants ran out of water he told reporters they should ask the local officials.

Buck stops somewhere else with him.

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 10:43:56
But thank God the Getty will be safe. Seriously. That place is priceless.

Average Ameriacn
Member Thu Jan 09 10:51:54
The fire is so big because they are no longer raking the forests in California.

Sam Adams
Member Thu Jan 09 11:58:39
"So slashing the fire department budget to fund increasing the police budget while crime is down, a very Sam policy, is fine."

It was actually the homeless getting the fire departments money, and crime is up massively in recent years.

No wonder leftards mismanagement is so omnipresent...low iqs struggle so much with basic facts

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 12:06:06
The fire is big because of a number of factors that occurred at the exact right time.

Rained a ton last year. Vegetation grew. It's dry this year. Vegetation is dry. Santa ana winds were insanely strong.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Jan 09 12:38:34
Rugian
Member Wed Jan 08 10:41:49
Re: OP...It's great that the revised order of the buzzwords literally makes the acronym DIE.

IT’S CALLED ANAGRAM YOU UNEDUCATED CAVE PERSON!

jergul
large member Thu Jan 09 12:51:16
You need more rugged individualism instead of stupid collectivist fire trucks and comprehensive home insurance.

Sam Adams
Member Thu Jan 09 13:09:55
Nah, need some concrete firebreaks and more firefighters with more water. But that requires competent government, which exists in few places but especially not LA.

Sam Adams
Member Thu Jan 09 13:31:54
2 days later, la still cant figure out how to pump water.

Amazing.

patom
Member Thu Jan 09 13:47:03
On Day '1' Trusk will in sure that every fire hydrant in the country has sufficient water to put out any fire raging across any city in the country.

Can't wait for your HERO to take charge of all the Fire departments in the country. I'll feel so much safer then.

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 13:47:41
And the winds are pretty much gone.

Forwyn
Member Thu Jan 09 15:20:08
"You need more rugged individualism instead of stupid collectivist fire trucks and comprehensive home insurance."

Maybe FEMA will save the day?

Sam Adams
Member Thu Jan 09 15:42:05
http://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1877240714595107183

Woke lafd official gets paid 400k. To talk and fight 0 fires.

Approximately 10,000h homes burned down.

obaminated
Member Thu Jan 09 17:19:37
48 billion in damages.

If it's an arsonist then he or she should be executed.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Jan 09 17:31:35
48 billion consecutive executions.

jergul
large member Thu Jan 09 19:59:34
An execution per dollar in damage? Seems a bit exessive to be frank.

TheChildren
Member Fri Jan 10 15:02:23
hundreads of millions...vapedporrized

http://www...e_is_listed_for_35m_on_zillow/

Rugian
Member Fri Jan 10 15:39:56
Where are Crassus' fire brigades when you need them

Fat Fag
Member Sat Jan 11 11:32:13
LOL

http://com...uction-halt-fires-los-angeles/

Fallout Season 2 Halts Production Due to Los Angeles Fires

obaminated
Member Sat Jan 11 11:40:29
Say what you will about Rudy in 2024. But id take Rudy over Karen in an emergency.

jergul
large member Sat Jan 11 11:44:57
Fallout Season 2 Halts Production Due to Los Angeles Fires

You would think the production crew could use the ambiance creatively.

Peter Walsh
Member Sat Jan 11 13:10:44
http://www...a-kenneth-fire-cops-arson.html

A homeless man allegedly trying to start a fire with a blowtorch was tackled and zip-tied by furious Los Angeles locals carrying out a citizen's arrest.

Locals claim the man was riding a bicycle around the Woodland Hills neighborhood on Thursday afternoon and carrying a large 'propane tank or a flamethrower'.

Community members claim they surrounded the man, brought him to the ground and detained him up with zip ties after they allegedly saw him trying to set fire to an object behind a vehicle.

One witness said the man was 'very focused on moving forward with the blow torch', telling FOX 11 the suspect said: 'I can't stop. I can't stop. I'm not putting this down. I'm doing this.'

Forwyn
Member Sat Jan 11 15:07:56
lmao. Seb's hire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghBAcxEMzM

Paramount
Member Sun Jan 12 11:38:33
Has the USA run out of firefighters?

USA needs help from Mexico and Canada to put out the fire. USA is no longer a superpower.

Rugian
Member Sun Jan 12 11:45:35
Paramount

Maybe China could provide some firefighters. If you really want to get TC to take the bait.

Paramount
Member Sun Jan 12 12:10:22
Anthony Stinken can go to China and beg.

murder
Member Sun Jan 12 17:43:29

"A homeless man allegedly trying to start a fire with a blowtorch"

Where the fuck does a homeless man get a blowtorch?

Sam Adams
Member Sun Jan 12 19:01:45
This is the us. California. The heart of blue country. Homeless are given tons of handouts, and allowed to steal.

Paramount
Member Mon Jan 13 01:34:53
This is the consequence of letting any dumbass own and operate a blowtorch.

patom
Member Mon Jan 13 03:30:53
A question?
Where are they going to find the labor to rebuild?
Trusk's new Border Czar said he's going out and rounding up all the illegal aliens. Guess what? If you check out just about every building development in this country there as a large proportion of the laborers who fit the description of Illegal Aliens.

Palisades Park may very well become a homeless encampment.

patom
Member Mon Jan 13 03:32:36
Construction has an open secret when it comes to the number of workers lacking permanent legal status on jobsites. Immigrants entering the country illegally make up about 23% of the construction laborer workforce in the United States, according to a 2021 report from the Center for American Progress.

TheChildren
Member Mon Jan 13 03:37:32
it alrdy turned in2 homeless park this week, keep up with da news wuld u.

u think all those multi million dolla homes r gonna get rebuild, rebuildin it 4 wut?

da entire area is now wasteland. those multi mill aint costin multi million no more

butbutbtu da land retains da value.
maybe part of it. but at da same time, u wuld be rebuildin in2 a warzone, so yea pump anotha 5 million in2 rebuildin ur mansion surrounded by...

trash and poop and homeless people?

lol it is over kiddo. da area is gonna be da future trash belt

Forwyn
Member Mon Jan 13 08:33:07
When patom was working age, construction workers could raise a family. Now he thinks $12/hr is a good wage, and cheers illegals keeping wages down. "But who will build muh houses?"

lol old cuck

jergul
large member Mon Jan 13 10:07:42
Forwyn
Sadly, illegals are only one of the things keeping wages down. It is just a tiny facet or wage stagnation. You have seen that over the last few years in practice. Labour shortages everywhere. Did wage increases actually outpace inflation for middle and low age earners?

You really have to do something about how wealth and income is divided (who has benefited from productivity gains since 1973? That is the problem).

jergul
large member Mon Jan 13 10:08:13
low income earners*

patom
Member Mon Jan 13 10:10:45
Forwyn, when did I write that construction workers could raise a family on $12 an hr. today? Anyhow what they are paid doesn't have fuck all to do with the availability of the people needed to actually do the labor.
Building contractors all across this country are so far behind it's unbelievable. Not because they don't have the material. It is because they don't have the laborers to do the work.
Hell you don't have to tell me I'm old. But I do have to tell you that your head is firmly planted in your ass.
But since you are young and obviously know everything perhaps you could answer the question. Where are they going to find all the labor needed to rebuild Palisades. Especially with ICE coming around to round up 20% of the work force?

Forwyn
Member Mon Jan 13 18:42:13
I dunno man, maybe they should head to Home Depot at 7am with $500 cash to hire ten Venezuelans instead of hiring Americans at decent wage.

Imagine cucking for illegals in fucking Maine, where you've never seen one lmao

patom
Member Tue Jan 14 06:25:52
Christ you are dumber than a box of rocks. I'm thinking you couldn't find Maine on a map.

Forwyn
Member Tue Jan 14 06:48:18
"The availability of labor has nothing to do with wages"

lmfao dumbass Boomer

patom
Member Tue Jan 14 06:55:35
Well no shit Sherlock. In order to even begin talking wages you need warm bodies to fill those positions.

I'm older than the Boomers dummy.

Forwyn
Member Tue Jan 14 09:01:48
If an ad is placed for $12 an hour and a dozen Venezuelan illegals respond, they don't need to bump the number.

If they don't, the ad is placed again for $15.

This isn't rocket science, Boomer-antecedent

murder
Member Tue Jan 14 09:59:05

He's talking about a labor shortage.

White Americans don't like doing hard work.

jergul
large member Tue Jan 14 11:14:19
Forwyn
Even the 15 dollar rate is worse than a Mcjob. I get that you are citing the invisible hand, but that mechanism can only function in a market were labour can afford to walk away when offered a less than living wage.

obaminated
Member Tue Jan 14 12:23:12
What happened to this thread?

Death toll is at 24 now.

Forwyn
Member Tue Jan 14 18:23:07
"White Americans don't like doing hard work."

Lol, maybe you should leave Florida bro, and figure out who is doing all of the welding, hvac, plumbing, truck-driving, electrical, etc. etc. etc.

They don't like doing under-the-table work for wages wherein only 8 migrants living in a room can survive.

"that mechanism can only function in a market were labour can afford to walk away when offered a less than living wage."

Clearly that is more feasible when 10% of the listed population hasn't shown up illicitly in the last twenty years and outpace job growth by millions.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 15 02:58:49
Forwyn:

"They don't like doing under-the-table work for wages wherein only 8 migrants living in a room can survive"

Right but two things here:
1. Who consumes the outputs of this labour and would they be able to afford absorbing the higher costs of a living wage?

2. Given the likely rise in price and decrease in affordability, what would it mean for standards of living to do that? They are probably going to go down, and probably for the middle class.

Policy wise there are two approaches.

One market based: reduce labour market friction and generally strengthen the bargaining power of labour. Competition for labour increases as a result, wages rise. Migrants will be unlikely to accept low wages for long if they can trade up. This however assumes jobs are plentiful. However, perversely that leaves the incentive for employers to illegally employ irregular migrants and if they are not actively punished, they tend to benefit hugely as it's hard for irregular to switch job. This creates a strong incentive for all employers in some sectors.

The other approach is more strongly regulatory (and in some ways easier). Set a living minimum wage to remove the financial incentive for low paid migration, track this by marrying tax bills and financial records, investigate anomalies. Focus heavily on the employer.

It's generally much easier to prove an employer is underpaying labour than it is to prove they are using irregular labour.

But basically careful what you wish for. You might do something like the UK did in Brexit. Yay, you stopped Eastern European seasonal posted workers coming to pick fruit, but local wage prices are still too high to do so economically and the cheap labour isn't where the jobs are and transport/relocation isn't possible for people who aren't going to sleep 8 to a room.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 15 03:03:50
The net result of that can be a reduction in living standards and economic activity without commensurate improvement other than "hooray, less foreigners".

Always important to focus on the goal. The shift in the UK polling on freedom of movement with EU suggests many people thought getting rid of it to reduce migration would generally create economic opportunities for locals, and it has not. And for those where reducing migration was an end in itself rather than instrumental have found it's increased it due to structural problems. Particularly certain "unskilled" labour which actually requires a bunch of skills and qualifications that cost too much time and effort to obtain given wages; but are necessary for industries/sectors that cannot absorb the required price rises; and which deliver services essential for the rest of the economy. E.g. health and social care being a good one.

TheChildren
Member Wed Jan 15 03:14:41
that one giant homeless park

da entire area is apparently now da size of paris

i guess u can still xperience da la vibes when u boot up grand theft auto 5, that will be da only place u will be able 2 xperience dat shit in da future

Forwyn
Member Wed Jan 15 08:41:13
"1. Who consumes the outputs of this labour and would they be able to afford absorbing the higher costs of a living wage?"

Both parties, because immigrants need housing and food, too.

"2. Given the likely rise in price and decrease in affordability, what would it mean for standards of living to do that? They are probably going to go down, and probably for the middle class."

Demand drives prices just as much as labor costs.

Yeah, folks might not get their cheap pistachios. Maybe they shouldn't, if it relies on illegal wages.

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Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 08 09:48:33 http://pbs...W8AEHO-A?format=jpg&name=large Lol oops.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 08 09:53:53 http://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1876862059909926951 Lol more. This is something seb would do.
murder Member	Wed Jan 08 10:19:34 Not really related but ... some people just have a talent for getting media coverage. Alberto M. Carvalho is talking and getting national media attention ... and he's the superintendent of schools in Los Angeles! He used to hold that position down here. WTF does he have to do fighting the fires in California? I don't have the slightest idea. That motherfucker can sniff out a camera and microphone from a hundred miles.
Rugian Member	Wed Jan 08 10:41:49 Re: OP...It's great that the revised order of the buzzwords literally makes the acronym DIE.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 08 11:09:22 if only they had diverted the northern rivers to dampen all of the ground of California...
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 08 11:22:58 It's pretty bad. Winds are wild right now. And sadly. I mean you can be cynical and say Darwin awards but... there is a video online with two foreigners and their dog inside their house with the fire literally in their backyard and they decided to hunker down in the house. They all burned to death. I mean. I guess some people freeze or just make bad decisions in life or death scenarios. But fuck. If you see a huge fire and wild winds your best bet is to run and hope for the best.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 08 11:43:35 Ya that video of them being in a house with their dog is retarded.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 08 14:06:37 " NO WATER IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS, NO MONEY IN FEMA. THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN IS LEAVING ME. THANKS JOE! " ~ guess who's making things about him...
murder Member	Wed Jan 08 14:19:51 Everything is about him.
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 08 14:43:46 Tw and murder don't understand the term "the buck stops here " He is the president. Yes. All national problems will be reflected on him. Biden fucked him on immigration, fucked him on the economy and did his best to fuck him in the middle east. Yet Iran is ready to talk and sell out hamas. Immigrants are turning around because trump is here. Liberals are freaking out because trumps main goal is to make sure the united states remains a superpower not beholden to anyone else.
TheChildren Member	Wed Jan 08 23:56:15 rofl so all da "they dunt got fuel in da rockets only watrer" is all projection in reality, ur country gotten soo broke, ur potholes remain unfixed for decades, ur fire exterminator stuff dunt even got water? WUT!!!!?? isnt malibu and shit one of ur richest hoods?
Paramount Member	Thu Jan 09 01:20:56 ” NO WATER IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS, NO MONEY IN FEMA. THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN IS LEAVING ME. THANKS JOE!” The Democrat’s idea of a smooth transition of power.
Paramount Member	Thu Jan 09 01:27:55 ” in reality, ur country gotten soo broke, ur potholes remain unfixed for decades, ur fire exterminator stuff dunt even got water? WUT!!!!?? isnt malibu and shit one of ur richest hoods?” Yeah. Individuals are rich but their communities are broke.
patom Member	Thu Jan 09 03:34:09 Well be reassured, once Trusk takes over Canada and gets control of the secret water faucet. He'll be able to make it rain all over California. That is after they fire Newsom and accept Trumps choice as Governor.
Seb Member	Thu Jan 09 06:22:31 Sam: So slashing the fire department budget to fund increasing the police budget while crime is down, a very Sam policy, is fine. The real problem is diversity!
Forwyn Member	Thu Jan 09 10:24:12 Hmm, I wonder what race/sex/affiliation the LA mayor is, Seb? Lul. I wonder if the city commissioner board makeup is similar? Lul
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 10:42:31 And where is the LA mayor? Ghana. That's where a cities mayor should be, A foreign country.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 10:43:24 Also newsom is a fantastic governor. When asked about why fire hydrants ran out of water he told reporters they should ask the local officials. Buck stops somewhere else with him.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 10:43:56 But thank God the Getty will be safe. Seriously. That place is priceless.
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu Jan 09 10:51:54 The fire is so big because they are no longer raking the forests in California.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 09 11:58:39 "So slashing the fire department budget to fund increasing the police budget while crime is down, a very Sam policy, is fine." It was actually the homeless getting the fire departments money, and crime is up massively in recent years. No wonder leftards mismanagement is so omnipresent...low iqs struggle so much with basic facts
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 12:06:06 The fire is big because of a number of factors that occurred at the exact right time. Rained a ton last year. Vegetation grew. It's dry this year. Vegetation is dry. Santa ana winds were insanely strong.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jan 09 12:38:34 Rugian Member Wed Jan 08 10:41:49 Re: OP...It's great that the revised order of the buzzwords literally makes the acronym DIE. IT’S CALLED ANAGRAM YOU UNEDUCATED CAVE PERSON!
jergul large member	Thu Jan 09 12:51:16 You need more rugged individualism instead of stupid collectivist fire trucks and comprehensive home insurance.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 09 13:09:55 Nah, need some concrete firebreaks and more firefighters with more water. But that requires competent government, which exists in few places but especially not LA.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 09 13:31:54 2 days later, la still cant figure out how to pump water. Amazing.
patom Member	Thu Jan 09 13:47:03 On Day '1' Trusk will in sure that every fire hydrant in the country has sufficient water to put out any fire raging across any city in the country. Can't wait for your HERO to take charge of all the Fire departments in the country. I'll feel so much safer then.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 13:47:41 And the winds are pretty much gone.
Forwyn Member	Thu Jan 09 15:20:08 "You need more rugged individualism instead of stupid collectivist fire trucks and comprehensive home insurance." Maybe FEMA will save the day?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 09 15:42:05 http://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1877240714595107183 Woke lafd official gets paid 400k. To talk and fight 0 fires. Approximately 10,000h homes burned down.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 09 17:19:37 48 billion in damages. If it's an arsonist then he or she should be executed.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jan 09 17:31:35 48 billion consecutive executions.
jergul large member	Thu Jan 09 19:59:34 An execution per dollar in damage? Seems a bit exessive to be frank.
TheChildren Member	Fri Jan 10 15:02:23 hundreads of millions...vapedporrized http://www...e_is_listed_for_35m_on_zillow/
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 10 15:39:56 Where are Crassus' fire brigades when you need them
Fat Fag Member	Sat Jan 11 11:32:13 LOL http://com...uction-halt-fires-los-angeles/ Fallout Season 2 Halts Production Due to Los Angeles Fires
obaminated Member	Sat Jan 11 11:40:29 Say what you will about Rudy in 2024. But id take Rudy over Karen in an emergency.
jergul large member	Sat Jan 11 11:44:57 Fallout Season 2 Halts Production Due to Los Angeles Fires You would think the production crew could use the ambiance creatively.
Peter Walsh Member	Sat Jan 11 13:10:44 http://www...a-kenneth-fire-cops-arson.html A homeless man allegedly trying to start a fire with a blowtorch was tackled and zip-tied by furious Los Angeles locals carrying out a citizen's arrest. Locals claim the man was riding a bicycle around the Woodland Hills neighborhood on Thursday afternoon and carrying a large 'propane tank or a flamethrower'. Community members claim they surrounded the man, brought him to the ground and detained him up with zip ties after they allegedly saw him trying to set fire to an object behind a vehicle. One witness said the man was 'very focused on moving forward with the blow torch', telling FOX 11 the suspect said: 'I can't stop. I can't stop. I'm not putting this down. I'm doing this.'
Forwyn Member	Sat Jan 11 15:07:56 lmao. Seb's hire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghBAcxEMzM
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 12 11:38:33 Has the USA run out of firefighters? USA needs help from Mexico and Canada to put out the fire. USA is no longer a superpower.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 12 11:45:35 Paramount Maybe China could provide some firefighters. If you really want to get TC to take the bait.
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 12 12:10:22 Anthony Stinken can go to China and beg.
murder Member	Sun Jan 12 17:43:29 "A homeless man allegedly trying to start a fire with a blowtorch" Where the fuck does a homeless man get a blowtorch?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 12 19:01:45 This is the us. California. The heart of blue country. Homeless are given tons of handouts, and allowed to steal.
Paramount Member	Mon Jan 13 01:34:53 This is the consequence of letting any dumbass own and operate a blowtorch.
patom Member	Mon Jan 13 03:30:53 A question? Where are they going to find the labor to rebuild? Trusk's new Border Czar said he's going out and rounding up all the illegal aliens. Guess what? If you check out just about every building development in this country there as a large proportion of the laborers who fit the description of Illegal Aliens. Palisades Park may very well become a homeless encampment.
patom Member	Mon Jan 13 03:32:36 Construction has an open secret when it comes to the number of workers lacking permanent legal status on jobsites. Immigrants entering the country illegally make up about 23% of the construction laborer workforce in the United States, according to a 2021 report from the Center for American Progress.
TheChildren Member	Mon Jan 13 03:37:32 it alrdy turned in2 homeless park this week, keep up with da news wuld u. u think all those multi million dolla homes r gonna get rebuild, rebuildin it 4 wut? da entire area is now wasteland. those multi mill aint costin multi million no more butbutbtu da land retains da value. maybe part of it. but at da same time, u wuld be rebuildin in2 a warzone, so yea pump anotha 5 million in2 rebuildin ur mansion surrounded by... trash and poop and homeless people? lol it is over kiddo. da area is gonna be da future trash belt
Forwyn Member	Mon Jan 13 08:33:07 When patom was working age, construction workers could raise a family. Now he thinks $12/hr is a good wage, and cheers illegals keeping wages down. "But who will build muh houses?" lol old cuck
jergul large member	Mon Jan 13 10:07:42 Forwyn Sadly, illegals are only one of the things keeping wages down. It is just a tiny facet or wage stagnation. You have seen that over the last few years in practice. Labour shortages everywhere. Did wage increases actually outpace inflation for middle and low age earners? You really have to do something about how wealth and income is divided (who has benefited from productivity gains since 1973? That is the problem).
jergul large member	Mon Jan 13 10:08:13 low income earners*
patom Member	Mon Jan 13 10:10:45 Forwyn, when did I write that construction workers could raise a family on $12 an hr. today? Anyhow what they are paid doesn't have fuck all to do with the availability of the people needed to actually do the labor. Building contractors all across this country are so far behind it's unbelievable. Not because they don't have the material. It is because they don't have the laborers to do the work. Hell you don't have to tell me I'm old. But I do have to tell you that your head is firmly planted in your ass. But since you are young and obviously know everything perhaps you could answer the question. Where are they going to find all the labor needed to rebuild Palisades. Especially with ICE coming around to round up 20% of the work force?
Forwyn Member	Mon Jan 13 18:42:13 I dunno man, maybe they should head to Home Depot at 7am with $500 cash to hire ten Venezuelans instead of hiring Americans at decent wage. Imagine cucking for illegals in fucking Maine, where you've never seen one lmao
patom Member	Tue Jan 14 06:25:52 Christ you are dumber than a box of rocks. I'm thinking you couldn't find Maine on a map.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jan 14 06:48:18 "The availability of labor has nothing to do with wages" lmfao dumbass Boomer
patom Member	Tue Jan 14 06:55:35 Well no shit Sherlock. In order to even begin talking wages you need warm bodies to fill those positions. I'm older than the Boomers dummy.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jan 14 09:01:48 If an ad is placed for $12 an hour and a dozen Venezuelan illegals respond, they don't need to bump the number. If they don't, the ad is placed again for $15. This isn't rocket science, Boomer-antecedent
murder Member	Tue Jan 14 09:59:05 He's talking about a labor shortage. White Americans don't like doing hard work.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 14 11:14:19 Forwyn Even the 15 dollar rate is worse than a Mcjob. I get that you are citing the invisible hand, but that mechanism can only function in a market were labour can afford to walk away when offered a less than living wage.
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 14 12:23:12 What happened to this thread? Death toll is at 24 now.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jan 14 18:23:07 "White Americans don't like doing hard work." Lol, maybe you should leave Florida bro, and figure out who is doing all of the welding, hvac, plumbing, truck-driving, electrical, etc. etc. etc. They don't like doing under-the-table work for wages wherein only 8 migrants living in a room can survive. "that mechanism can only function in a market were labour can afford to walk away when offered a less than living wage." Clearly that is more feasible when 10% of the listed population hasn't shown up illicitly in the last twenty years and outpace job growth by millions.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 15 02:58:49 Forwyn: "They don't like doing under-the-table work for wages wherein only 8 migrants living in a room can survive" Right but two things here: 1. Who consumes the outputs of this labour and would they be able to afford absorbing the higher costs of a living wage? 2. Given the likely rise in price and decrease in affordability, what would it mean for standards of living to do that? They are probably going to go down, and probably for the middle class. Policy wise there are two approaches. One market based: reduce labour market friction and generally strengthen the bargaining power of labour. Competition for labour increases as a result, wages rise. Migrants will be unlikely to accept low wages for long if they can trade up. This however assumes jobs are plentiful. However, perversely that leaves the incentive for employers to illegally employ irregular migrants and if they are not actively punished, they tend to benefit hugely as it's hard for irregular to switch job. This creates a strong incentive for all employers in some sectors. The other approach is more strongly regulatory (and in some ways easier). Set a living minimum wage to remove the financial incentive for low paid migration, track this by marrying tax bills and financial records, investigate anomalies. Focus heavily on the employer. It's generally much easier to prove an employer is underpaying labour than it is to prove they are using irregular labour. But basically careful what you wish for. You might do something like the UK did in Brexit. Yay, you stopped Eastern European seasonal posted workers coming to pick fruit, but local wage prices are still too high to do so economically and the cheap labour isn't where the jobs are and transport/relocation isn't possible for people who aren't going to sleep 8 to a room.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 15 03:03:50 The net result of that can be a reduction in living standards and economic activity without commensurate improvement other than "hooray, less foreigners". Always important to focus on the goal. The shift in the UK polling on freedom of movement with EU suggests many people thought getting rid of it to reduce migration would generally create economic opportunities for locals, and it has not. And for those where reducing migration was an end in itself rather than instrumental have found it's increased it due to structural problems. Particularly certain "unskilled" labour which actually requires a bunch of skills and qualifications that cost too much time and effort to obtain given wages; but are necessary for industries/sectors that cannot absorb the required price rises; and which deliver services essential for the rest of the economy. E.g. health and social care being a good one.
TheChildren Member	Wed Jan 15 03:14:41 that one giant homeless park da entire area is apparently now da size of paris i guess u can still xperience da la vibes when u boot up grand theft auto 5, that will be da only place u will be able 2 xperience dat shit in da future
Forwyn Member	Wed Jan 15 08:41:13 "1. Who consumes the outputs of this labour and would they be able to afford absorbing the higher costs of a living wage?" Both parties, because immigrants need housing and food, too. "2. Given the likely rise in price and decrease in affordability, what would it mean for standards of living to do that? They are probably going to go down, and probably for the middle class." Demand drives prices just as much as labor costs. Yeah, folks might not get their cheap pistachios. Maybe they shouldn't, if it relies on illegal wages.
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