Utopia Talk / Politics / Man deported from US by accident

murder Member	Tue Apr 01 03:49:49 But not really. ----------------- ICE admits to an 'administrative error' after Maryland man sent to El Salvador prison Kilmer Armado Abrego-Garcia has legal status, according to his attorneys. A Maryland man with protected legal status was sent to the notorious prison in El Salvador following an "administrative error," a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official admitted in a sworn declaration on Monday. Kilmer Armado Abrego-Garcia who has a U.S. citizen wife and 5-year-old child is currently at CECOT, the notorious prison in El Salvador. The filing is part of a new lawsuit filed by Abrego-Garcia's attorneys who are requesting that the government of El Salvador return him to the U.S. after being sent there "because of an administrative error." In response, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him. According to Abrego-Garcia's attorneys, in 2019, a confidential informant "had advised that Abrego Garcia was an active member" of the gang MS-13. He later filed an I-589 application for asylum and although Abrego Garcia was found removable, an immigration judge "granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador." But earlier this month, Abrego-Garcia was stopped by ICE officers who "informed him that his immigration status had changed." After being detained over gang affiliations, he was transferred to a detention center in Texas. He was then sent to El Salvador on March 15. "Abrego-Garcia, a native and citizen of El Salvador, was on the third flight and thus had his removal order to El Salvador executed," said Robert L. Cerna, acting field office director for ICE in a sworn declaration. "This removal was an error." Abrego-Garcia's attorneys said that he "is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang" and said that the U.S. government "has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation." In response, the government said Abrego Garcia had the opportunity to present evidence to show he was not a part of MS-13. "Abrego Garcia had a full and fair opportunity to litigate the issue," the government said. "He had the opportunity to give evidence tending to show he was not part of MS-13, which he did not proffer." In the filing, Yaakov M. Roth Acting Assistant Attorney General Civil Division for the Department of Justice said the court lacks jurisdiction to review the removal of Abrego Garcia and said that the plaintiffs are seeking his release from Salvadoran custody by "financial pressure and diplomacy." Roth also added in the filing that there is no clear showing that "Abrego Garcia himself is likely to be tortured or killed in CECOT." "While there may be allegations of abuses in other Salvadoran prisons -- very few in relation to the large number of detainees -- there is no clear showing that Abrego Garcia himself is likely to be tortured or killed in CECOT," Roth said. "More fundamentally, this Court should defer to the government's determination that Abrego Garcia will not likely be tortured or killed in El Salvador." In the sworn declaration, Cerna said the removal was "carried out in good faith." "This was an oversight, and the removal was carried out in good faith based on the existence of a final order of removal and Abrego-Garcia's purported membership in MS-13," Cerna said. http://abc...land-man-el/story?id=120359991
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 04:25:47 Dont like your neighbour? That guy who's competing with you for the district manager position? You've been trying to date Kate at the office for months but you always see her flirting with Pablo from accounting? Put in a quick anonymous call and Bob's your uncle
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 01 10:11:44 "Abrego Garcia was an active member" of the gang MS-13." Lol oops.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 01 11:04:45 w/ no proof of it
murder Member	Tue Apr 01 11:21:58 "Abrego Garcia was an active member" of the gang MS-13." Or not. We'll never know because he was denied due process.
Forwyn Member	Tue Apr 01 11:39:54 "He later filed an I-589 application for asylum and although Abrego Garcia was found removable" Sounds like due process to me
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 01 12:07:59 he was deportable... putting him in a third world prison, not so much (the aspect that keeps getting ignored by R's/Faux)
murder Member	Tue Apr 01 13:51:33 "Sounds like due process to me" ... "ICE admits to an 'administrative error' after Maryland man sent to El Salvador prison"
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 01 14:09:43 So a previous judge ruled him deportable... a lib policy cancelled it and trump reinstated it?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 01 14:57:51 they aren't DEPORTING they are IMPRISONING people in a third party country shithole prison (that we then pay for)... that's people with NO charges, not even alleged ones, just if the always lying Trump admin decide on flimsy evidence that they are an MS-13 or TdA gang member (& by very widely stretching an old law) so yes, judges should definitely be examining it (rather than being impeached) & the supreme court should definitely rule against this insanity
Forwyn Member	Tue Apr 01 15:16:28 "Maryland man" "foreign gang member deemed deportable half a decade ago" Fixed that editorializing
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 01 15:45:12 let's hope he's guilty of something (no crime even alleged... JD Vance posted he had traffic violations, so obviously that's at best the most they have if lying Vance isn't lying) to fix something i said above, this guy at least -is- from El Salvador unlike some of the Venezuelans imprisoned there based on shit evidence (& that's also not of crimes, just of being gang members)
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 15:47:23 Oh, there are stories of canadians being imprisoned by the Naonazi USA every day. Canadian TV producers are seldom members of El Salvadorian gangs.
kargen Member	Tue Apr 01 16:49:05 He should have been deported not deported and incarcerated. Of course El Salvador could decide to incarcerate him after his return on their own. The left is now saying well since you admit to making the mistake have him returned. Unfortunately for that guy he is a citizen of El Salvador so we have very little if any say on whether or not he will be returned. What is a bit puzzling is he originally claimed to not be a gang member then later asked for asylum with the reason being rival gang members would hunt him down and kill him if returned. If he wasn't in a gang there would be no rival gang.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 16:51:41 "then later asked for asylum with the reason being rival gang members would hunt him down and kill him if returned" source?
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 16:54:31 to claim youre not a gang member and then claim other gangs are rivals would seem pretty brain-dead stuff, so source please. Dont worry, Ill wait.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 17:01:18 Oh dear, did you completely make that up?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Apr 01 17:11:39 Anyone OK with this has lost all rights to ever speak about civil rights (including that one protected by our 2nd amendment) or the constitutionality of, well, anything, ever again. This right here in particular is some bullshit: "In response, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him." also: " In response, the government said Abrego Garcia had the opportunity to present evidence to show he was not a part of MS-13. "Abrego Garcia had a full and fair opportunity to litigate the issue," the government said. "He had the opportunity to give evidence tending to show he was not part of MS-13, which he did not proffer." " You can't prove a negative, fuckface. If I allege that anyone here (or a neighbor that I don't like) is a member of this or that gang and the onus is on them to prove otherwise, NO ONE here could prove definitively that they aren't.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 01 18:30:51 i'm assuming/hoping when they say they can't get him back, they mean just -the court- can't order him back & that the gov't just doesn't care to get him back if they actually can't get back the people they send there, that makes it exponentially more fucked up we just have to just trust they have 100.0% accuracy (when already admitting a mistake)... plus there seems to be other cases of wrongly identified TdA members now in that prison (& somehow the current regime & its Faux/fraudoshpere/fucked-up-o-sphere only attacks the judge questioning this)
kargen Member	Wed Apr 02 00:13:19 Didn't make it up but also didn't do the research I should have. I read a couple of articles that claimed what I posted. Had more time tonight and he did request asylum because he feared gang retaliation. His lawyer stated the retaliation was because his family refused to pay protection money to the gangs. So I fucked that one up by not digging more. tumbleweed I would assume we could get people back that are not citizens of El Salvador. This guy is a citizen so probably they would need to file an extradition request. That would mean he is being charged with a serious crime in the US. Looks like he isn't charged with a serious crime so not sure extradition applies. The government could argue on his behalf that he be released but beyond that probably not much can be done. Earthpig he is a citizen of El Salvador not the United States. We have no right to demand a citizen of El Salvador be sent to the United States outside of extradition for serious crimes. He should not have been sent but now that he is in El Salvador what happens to him is largely up to them.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 00:51:22 "Didn't make it up but also didn't do the research I should have. I read a couple of articles that claimed what I posted. Had more time tonight and he did request asylum because he feared gang retaliation. His lawyer stated the retaliation was because his family refused to pay protection money to the gangs. So I fucked that one up by not digging more." Well, Im very impressed by that honesty, nice one.
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 04:55:07 "tumbleweed I would assume we could get people back that are not citizens of El Salvador. This guy is a citizen so probably they would need to file an extradition request." No. We are paying El Salvador to keep this guy locked up. All we have to do is inform El Salvador that we don't need the guy locked up and that we will no longer pay for his detention, and that removes any incentive for El Salvador to keep him locked up. At that point the guy can simply board a plane and come back to the US. El Salvador doesn't keep its citizens from traveling abroad. -
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 04:57:27 And the judge does have authority because he can find that the prison we have El Salvador operating for us violates US law and the Constitution ... and bar the US from transferring funds to El Salvador to finance it. -
Dukhat Member	Wed Apr 02 11:33:10 Cuckservatives: Individual Liberty and Due Process for Me but not for Thee
Forwyn Member	Wed Apr 02 12:32:26 Yes. Individual liberty for American citizens, not for foreign gang members. Freedom to protest in support of Hamas and other foreign terror groups for American citizens, not foreigners on student visas.
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 13:04:11 Maybe ... but due process for everyone in our jurisdiction. You don't know that this guy is a gang member no matter how many times you repeat it.
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 13:06:53 "Freedom to protest in support of Hamas and other foreign terror groups for American citizens, not foreigners on student visas." Also, it's fine to kick these foreigners out, but there's no need to arrest them as if they were fugitives from the law. We know who and where they are. Just inform them that their status has been revoked and they have X many days to pack their shit and leave. -
Forwyn Member	Wed Apr 02 13:09:21 How many times does he have to go to court before we say he had due process?
Sam Adams Member	Wed Apr 02 14:11:02 "How many times does he have to go to court before we say he had due process?" As many times as it takes for libs to feel good about resisting the bad orange man.
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 15:04:01 "How many times does he have to go to court before we say he had due process?" How many times would you have to go to court? -
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 15:06:51 "As many times as it takes for libs to feel good about resisting the bad orange man." As opposed to submitting to the bad orange man? Yes.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Apr 02 17:08:56 "Earthpig he is a citizen of El Salvador not the United States. We have no right to demand a citizen of El Salvador be sent to the United States outside of extradition for serious crimes. " 1st, that's some legalistic nonsense. 2nd, we are paying El Salvador to incarcerate him, which incidentally is some international pirate mercenary bullshit. Actually, in this case, and this doesn't happen often, I agree with much of what murder said, so no need to retype it. "How many times does he have to go to court before we say he had due process?" I don't know; how many convictions is Trump at?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Apr 02 17:26:57 "Yes. Individual liberty for American citizens, not for foreign gang members. Freedom to protest in support of Hamas and other foreign terror groups for American citizens, not foreigners on student visas." We need to have due process to establish if any of that, or none of that, actually happened. In particular, it's a well established fact that "protest in support of Hamas" is actually code for "protest against Israeli policy as it applies to Palestinians" at least 9 in 10 times it's alleged, so it's safe to say that 90% of deportations done under the guise of what you just alleged, are total fabrications and bullshit. Hence, the need for due process. And if you disagree with my 90% figure, and think it's more like 15% or 1%... hey, that's what due process is for, so you can prove me and the other "libs" wrong, to "stick it to the libs."
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 17:43:33 "Actually, in this case, and this doesn't happen often, I agree with much of what murder said ..." Eventually everyone realizes that I'm right about everything all the time. If I have an opinion on something ... I'm right.
Seb Member	Wed Apr 02 17:53:51 Forwyn: "Freedom to protest in support of Hamas and other foreign terror groups for American citizen" That's not factually true. The 1st amendment puts a prohibition on the state preventing it from limiting petitioning of the govt, freedom of assembly etc. It doesn't caveat that as allowing the state to do so for non citizens.
murder Member	Wed Apr 02 18:18:30 You have a right to free speech no matter who you are. But you're not entitled to be here. The government can deport you if they want to.
kargen Member	Wed Apr 02 18:43:57 I said something similar when Trump said he was going to use the Aliens Enemy Act. He doesn't have to use that act. He can just say they broke the law coming here so we are sending them home.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 02 21:24:51 an El Salvadorian prison is none of their homes
kargen Member	Wed Apr 02 23:50:15 You still have the brain cells to type so I know you are aware that by home I mean their country. When we deport people we don't give them a Lyft to their front door. When send them home to their country.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 03 00:45:56 your post makes no sense then as he's not using the Alien Enemies Act to deport anyone home, he's using it to put Venezuelans into an El Salvador prison (which for some reason the cult & its media calls 'deporting') not sure by what authority he's putting suspected MS-13 people there too, but probably illegal as well as is his way
Seb Member	Thu Apr 03 01:01:26 As tumbleweed says, that aren't being deported, they are being sent to a gulag.
Seb Member	Thu Apr 03 01:04:31 The fact the gulag is in another country is irrelevant. It's Guantanamo all over again. Only rather than renditioning "terrorists" it's pretty much anyone that they don't like. And if you look at the arguments that are using in court they are opening up the potential in law to do it to citizens.
murder Member	Thu Apr 03 06:00:28 My understanding is that the people being sent to El Salvador are going there because they don't want to go home.
murder Member	Sat Apr 05 19:17:55 DOJ places attorney on leave after struggling in Maryland migrant case Pam Bondi said DOJ lawyers must "zealously advocate" for the administration. The Justice Department has placed on indefinite paid leave the attorney who argued on behalf of the government on Friday in a lawsuit brought by a Maryland man who was deported to El Salvador in error, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News. Sources said Erez Reuveni, the acting deputy director for the Office of Immigration Litigation, was told by officials at the DOJ that he was being placed on leave over a "failure to zealously advocate" for the government's interests. "At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States," Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement on Saturday. "Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences." The Justice Department has also placed the deputy director of the Office of Immigration Litigation on paid administrative leave, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News. August Flentje, who was Reuveni's supervisor, was placed on administrative leave Saturday by officials at Main Justice for "failure to supervise a subordinate," according to the sources. The appellate brief that was submitted to the 4th Circuit Saturday morning bears Flentje's electronic signature. Justice Department officials did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment. The government is seeking to appeal an order from the judge who presided over Friday's hearing and ordered the department to facilitate the return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia by Monday. In Friday's hearing, Reuveni repeatedly struggled when pressed by Judge Paula Xinis of the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland for details surrounding Abrego Garcia's deportation -- and why the administration claimed it could not facilitate his return to the United States. At one point in the hearing, Reuveni was asked by Xinis under what authority law enforcement officers seized Abrego Garcia. Reuveni said he was frustrated that he did not have those answers. "Your honor, my answer to a lot of these questions is going to be frustrating, and I'm also frustrated that I have no answers for you on a lot of these questions," Reuveni said. http://abc...and-migrant/story?id=120526466
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Apr 05 21:27:34 yes, all must zealousy advocate for the crimes the administration is committing they've got quite a few shitbags who are safe on that front
murder Member	Mon Apr 07 16:26:55 The Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court has decided that maybe the government doesn't have to retrieve the guy they sent to a gulag in El Salvador. -
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 07 23:45:23 there's a seemingly gay makeup artist also in that prison... (whose social media really backs up his claims)... the regime's evidence is two crown tattoos that look nothing alike completely fucking crazy to disappear someone into a hellhole prison over an ambiguous tattoo anyway... the Supreme(ly bad) Court has canceled the judge's halt on the regime using the Alien Enemies Act (sort of on technical grounds, haven't really evaluated it) though at least have ruled the regime must give people ample notice so they can in fact file for a hearing to argue their case in court before being stuffed in a foreign prison [crazily that was ever being argued against] however the Trump admin will abuse/ignore the order presumably... giving them an hour notice or something... this Supreme Court is really fucking dumb... ^that's unrelated to the 'mistake' guy as the Alien Enemies Act is only about Venezuelans being labeled gang members & stuffed into the prison on obviously extremely flimsy evidence
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 14 13:22:16 piece of shit Pam Bondi is interpreting the unanimous Supreme Court ruling to facilitate the guy's return as just providing a plane if El Salvador releases him the leader of El Salvador is meeting w/ Trump & laughed 'how can i return a terrorist to the US?' & Trump nodding along so he'll rot in a hellhole prison... here's hoping he was a bad guy who deserved it (despite no real evidence)... sorry, wife & family
murder Member	Mon Apr 14 15:55:25 The Governor of Maryland should have an arrest warrant out for Bukele and Maryland and the man's family should ask a judge to seize all Salvadoran assets in the US including Bukele's plane until Abrego-Garcia is returned to the US.
kargen Member	Mon Apr 14 16:18:48 Better than giving him a rowboat and telling him good luck. As I said earlier in the thread the US can't force El Salvador to return him.
murder Member	Mon Apr 14 16:44:47 Pretty amusing that you think that Trump can ignore the law and flip off the Court, but he can't force a tiny nation to return someone they are imprisoning for us. Pretty amusing that you think Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 14 17:49:14 there's a lot of room between 'forcing' & doing exactly nothing (& yeah, they easily could get him back) also they could stop sending people there in general as the practice is fucking crazy...
murder Member	Mon Apr 14 18:43:12 Frankly the USSC deserves to be flipped off for their weak ass weasel language. We'll see if they grow a spine now or just surrender the country to its new dictator.
Rugian Member	Mon Apr 14 19:21:26 Note how murder and tumbleweed are openly simping for an illegal immigrant and suspected gang member who was rightfully deported back to his country of origin. ROFL. Trump 4D chess at work. Good job taking the 20% side of an 80/20 issue, libs.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 14 19:53:13 Have no idea what 80/20 means, but according to Adolescence and various articles, its one of the catch phrases parents are advised to watch out for to monitor their children on hate sites.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 14 20:02:58 I used to give Rugian too much credit and thought he was lying on purpose to troll, but Ive since realized he's stupider than that and his lies are actually only the usual brainwashed subconscious lies.
murder Member	Mon Apr 14 20:14:03 Rugian has always tried to pass himself off as if he isn't like Trump ... but he's exactly like Trump. He has embraced white nationalist dictatorship. -
Dukhat Member	Mon Apr 14 21:48:06 It doesn't matter if he is actually a gang member. (though all signs so far is that he isn't since the Trump administration can't provide any proof). Every person in the US deserves due process. Trump is trying to turn us into a South American banana republic and so-called "constitutional" conservatives are gleeful about it because they believe everything their social media feed tells them.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 15 04:16:38 Rugian: Important legal principles are always breached with cases like this. Once you've accepted that rule of law is set aside for unpopular causes, its just a question of demonizing your targets. Naively, you think you are part of the in group. But the thing is that for the people with actual power, you are disposable resource. Some of the guys the money behind Trump hire to provide the detail to their policy literally describe people like you as "excess population". In their future there's far far fewer people, owning a lot more stuff, and a lot more automation to avoid having to share their stuff and space with poor people. While you are certainly welcome to be an early backer as they get the ball rolling, you are not on the guest list for this future and they intend to drop support for the free tier service.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 15 11:19:34 all 3 levels of the courts said they should return him & i bet if you asked people: should this administration be putting people in a third world prison who are not convicted nor even accused of crimes? (plus claiming they can do nothing when making mistakes)... it'd be an '80/20' issue (or hopefully even better) -against- this insane dictatorship just your Faux/fraudosphere(social media bubble) crowd & cult are kept in the dark of facts anyone using the word 'deporting' or 'murderers/terrorists' when defending the acts against this guy or the Alien Enemies Act venezuelans is a deceitful liar, or misinformed by those deceitful liars
Forwyn Member	Tue Apr 15 13:58:03 "Every person in the US deserves due process." He was arrested in 2019 after living here illegally for eight years. How long does it take to obtain due process? He was denied asylum. Seb says he would have deported the knife Afghan after his asylum was denied. He keeps doubling down and proving himself a liar.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 15 16:07:30 ha, i called it (pretty sure i posted here somewhere anyway :p): the fucked-up regime has fired the person who admitted this was a mistake
kargen Member	Tue Apr 15 16:17:57 Every person does deserve due process and this guy probably didn't get due process. Doesn't change the fact that he is a citizen of El Salvador and unless we are extraditing him to face charges of a serious crime legally there isn't anything the US can do to compel El Salvador to return him.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 15 16:34:35 of course there fucking is. All it would have taken is for Trump to say, Hey, you think you can have a look at that situation and sort it out? And his far right lapdog from El Salvador would have had the guy released in 5 minutes
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 15 16:50:36 dictator: 'we're gonna stop paying you the millions of dollars to store our kidnappees unless you return that one guy' kindred spirit: 'oh ok boss, here you go'
kargen Member	Tue Apr 15 16:55:47 I'm not saying the US can't get him back. I am saying the US can't force his return. So a judge demanding Trump get the guy back is just whistling to be heard. Trump isn't trying to get him back and he should. I'm just pointing out at the end of the day it really isn't our decision.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 15 18:21:01 And yet the Trump admin managed to get a suspected human trafficker released from a foreign jail in Romania just a month ago. How weird.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 15 18:41:26 Lets see; one guy was not wrongfully deported from the USA, has loads of witnessess and evidence against him in two countries, the UK and Romania, and was wearing a bracelet in the comfort of his millionaire home. This is the guy the Trump admin got released a few weeks ago. The other guy was actually wrongfully deported from the USA and there is no evidence or witnesses at all against him and he is now locked up in one of the most dangerous jails on the planet. This is the guy the US cannot help in any way. Yeah, this makes sense.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 19:07:15 "I'm just pointing out at the end of the day it really isn't our decision." He's our prisoner being held on our dime. Not only can we get him back, but the judge can do it himself by seizing all of El Salvador's assets in the US and barring any transfer of funds to that country.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 19:08:49 "And yet the Trump admin managed to get a suspected human trafficker released from a foreign jail in Romania just a month ago. How weird." Yeah.
kargen Member	Tue Apr 15 19:30:56 "And yet the Trump admin managed to get a suspected human trafficker released from a foreign jail in Romania just a month ago." Any details on that? THe only thing I see is about two brothers that are allowed to travel again while awaiting trial. They agreed to go back once proceedings against them begin again. Not the same thing at all. They weren't in jail they were awaiting trial. He is their citizen and we can say hey we are not paying for that guy to be in jail if we want. Doesn't mean El Salvador has to give him back. We can do all kinds of shit to try and convince them but we can't force them. And the judge can't freeze shit without some civil or criminal case pending where funds to pay a possible settlement could be held.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 19:34:37 "Any details on that? THe only thing I see is about two brothers that are allowed to travel again while awaiting trial. They agreed to go back once proceedings against them begin again. Not the same thing at all. They weren't in jail they were awaiting trial." They were under house arrest.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 19:38:38 "He is their citizen and we can say hey we are not paying for that guy to be in jail if we want. Doesn't mean El Salvador has to give him back. We can do all kinds of shit to try and convince them but we can't force them. And the judge can't freeze shit without some civil or criminal case pending where funds to pay a possible settlement could be held." Sure he can. El Salvador is involved in human trafficking and kidnapping people right off US streets. Many people are saying that Bukele is kidnapping them to force them to sodomize him.
Dukhat Member	Tue Apr 15 19:52:27 This is deliberate. Trump getting the president of El Salvador to say untrue things to help him politically. Fact is this guy lived in the US legally for 10 years without ever committing a crime and one of the morons Trump hired jumped the gun and denied him due process over a rumour he was a gang member. He deserved due process and even worse he wasn’t just deported, they sent him to life in prison to a concentration camp with the worse people. Trump is a fascist piece of shit to the core and you cuckservatives have to lie to yourself to justify such a horrendous breach of personal liberty.
kargen Member	Tue Apr 15 21:32:19 If you aren't being willfully ignorant you need to brush up on your law there murder. If you are being willfully ignorant... well that is what we have come to expect from you these last several months.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 21:52:37 What law? There's no law. If there were laws Abrego-Garcia wouldn't have been kidnapped and sent aboard to an American financed gulag. It wasn't an accident. It wasn't a clerical error. Trump and his thugs willfully violated the law and then brought paraded the president of El Salvador through the oval office to rub it in the courts face that it was intentional. There are no constraints on the executive and there are no constraints on the courts either.
murder Member	Tue Apr 15 21:53:19 abroad*
Dukhat Member	Tue Apr 15 23:49:01 Kargen doing his best bit to gas-light. Repubs are experts in self-delusion.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 16 00:18:12 "Trump administration presses Romania to lift restrictions on Andrew Tate Donald Trump’s administration has pressed Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest. The Tates’ case was first brought up by US officials in a phone call with the Romanian government last week and then followed up by Trump’s special envoy Richard Grenell when he met the Romanian foreign minister at the Munich Security Conference, said three people familiar with the matter." http://www...0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 16 00:30:51 Of course, he made the PR mistake of his life by recently converting to Islam, or "abandoning the religion of his forefathers for a moon demon" as Nimatzo angrily spat out when he found out and felt betrayed to the core by his hitherto alpha male role model, so I suspect Trump will similarly abandon him too
Forwyn Member	Wed Apr 16 10:48:21 "Fact is this guy lived in the US legally for 10 years" False. He has only been "legal" since 2019, after living here illegally for eight years, and finally applying for asylum after being caught (which was denied). "He deserved due process" He has had two separate proceedings. A better question is why judges are able to sign non-deportation orders on illegals, with indefinite and indeterminate lengths of time.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 16 22:31:16 "After his meeting with Mr. Ulloa, Mr. Van Hollen told reporters that the explanation the vice president provided for continuing to keep Mr. Abrego Garcia in detention in the absence of a criminal charge against him was that the Trump administration was paying El Salvador to do so." http://www...abrego-garcia-deportation.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 16 23:31:52 lying piece of shit Pam Bondi tells shit Hannity that the guy is "one of the top MS-13 members" [new obviously fabricated claim] & a "terrorist" [a repeated fabricated claim]: http://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmxwlqc6ay27 yeah... ~15 years w/ zero criminal accusations, quite the terrorist, & somehow now a "top member" of the gang the only evidence of him ever being in the gang is by him wearing a Chicago Bulls hat (seriously) & 6 years ago an informant saying he was a member of the gang in New York (even though he never lived in New York) now we're paying to have him imprisoned on no charges in a gulag & the whole Right is cheering it on (while the dictator is openly working to also get US citizens disappeared there) shocking how quickly the ruination is occurring
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 16 23:36:09 ...& not remotely the only guy accused of no crimes that we're paying to be imprisoned there the Alien Enemies Act on Venezuelans -far- more disturbing as those not 'administrative errors', entirely purposeful & using crazy flimsy evidence for gang membership
Forwyn Member	Thu Apr 17 09:15:18 Re: the Chicago Bulls bullshit This is from gang detectives, not Trump admin, and we know how tw loves experts. http://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 18 09:59:38 Rip tw. In your desperation you backed a criminal you didn't know about and you want him back here. Why? Because Trump deported him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 11:47:41 what crime is the criminal (or 'terrorist' as the fucking liars say) guilty of (or even accused of)?
murder Member	Fri Apr 18 13:28:59 "what crime is the criminal (or 'terrorist' as the fucking liars say) guilty of (or even accused of)?" Do not question the great and powerful Trump!
Forwyn Member	Fri Apr 18 13:46:50 Sneaking into our nation. But apparently if you have suspected gang affiliations that warrant worry of rival gang retaliation, we'll just give you a work permit so you can stick around to beat your wife.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 14:25:04 indefinite imprisonment for crossing the border? the evidence against him: 6 years ago, he was detained while loitering outside a Home Depot w/ 3 others (it is known that immigrants loiter outside Home Depot to get picked up for manual labor jobs). Two of the men discarded marijuana as officers approached (unclear which two). Two had MS-13 tattoos & extensive criminal history. The guy in question not one of those two. The evidence that the guy in question was MS-13 is having the Bulls hat, a 'see no evil' sweatshirt, & the single informant claiming he was in the gang. No criminal history, no gang tattoos... (& still none 6 years later) Also being noted by the regime is that his wife after an argument once sought a protective order against him saying he could be violent, her then withdrawing and remaining with him. Anything else proving he's a violent terrorist (as Trump again claimed today) deserving of indefinite imprisonment w/o trial or even accusation of crime? ----- Trump repeatedly loitered w/ Jeffrey Epstein including having a party w/ just him & girls... thus proving he's a child trafficking rapist w/o need of trial, right? Trump's ex-wife accused him of -rape-, though also withdrew the claim (after paid-off or intimidated), though her revised statement still describes non-consensual sex Trump -does- have a criminal record, plus is clearly guilty of more felonies that he escaped justice on. For J6, the Faux propaganda can't even let the viewers know what he's charged w/ (as there's no defense & cleary guilty) & leaving their audience all misinformed that it was about inciting the riot. For classified docs, Trump offering a stupid obvious lie as his only defense, & so stupid & clearly false that again Faux & R's don't repeat it (plus even if it was crazily true, which it definitely isn't, it still makes his behavior grossly irresponsible) so which is more deserving of indefinite imprisonment w/o any criminal accusations or convictions (even though Trump has convictions & accusations)?
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 18 14:47:06 Rofl. Tw would defend weinstein. You are a morally bankrupt piece of shit.
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 18 14:49:09 "His wife sought a protective order against him but then dropped it, it's totally normal for a woman to seek protective orders against their spouses." " he was just hanging out with ms13 gang members and maybe he was dressed like one but he totally is innocent" Seriously tw, go suck an ms 13 gang members cock, maybe trump will resign if you do it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 14:50:34 being merely suspected of being a gang member is not sufficient for indefinite imprisonment... how is this a struggle for R's to see? plus it being a third world hellhole prison adding to the insanity... he's friends w/ Putin & Kim Jong Un, is it ok to send people accused of no crimes to their prisons too? plus Trump actively seeking for a way to send US citizens there too... supposedly seeking to do it in 'legal' fashion (how nice), but he did it w/ Venezuelans by completely abusing the Alien Enemies Act & fabricating claims they are working for the Venezuelan gov't at least the shitty Supreme Court said they have to now give the people notice & let them file for a hearing (if they know they can do that & can find a lawfirm willing to do it as Trump corruptly punishing any firm that files suits against his regime) start having a problem w/ the behavior
Forwyn Member	Fri Apr 18 15:32:12 He was sent back to his own nation. What Nayib does with him is their own business. The people of El Salvador love him for imprisoning gang members and utterly tanking their murder rate btw, single-handedly elevating their nation above the third-world. Just say we can never deport people, bro. Open the gates because you don't have balls. Muh empathy
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 15:41:58 he was sent to the prison, we are paying for it (which also makes no sense) imprisoning is NOT deporting + there was a current valid order that he could NOT be deported to El Salvador, the admin admitted the mistake (& guy fired for acknowledging it, as this criminal regime admits no mistakes)
Forwyn Member	Fri Apr 18 15:51:17 "+ there was a current valid order that he could NOT be deported to El Salvador" Should have never been issued. Why are we giving work permits to people we find here illegally? Hanging out with gang members?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 16:00:48 "Should have never been issued" so you acknowledge it was there & never cancelled so the "deportation" a mistake that they COULD rectify & choosing not to... we're done here (in that you've lost the argument) not done in that this totally fucked up regime continuing to behave as a lawless dictatorship, making up the rules as they go (a trait of Trump that's been completely obvious & repeatedly demonstrated)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 17:06:25 a judge is holding emergency hearing over another batch of abducted Venezuelans about to be sent to the El Salvador prison (ie "just deporting" as the nazis say) maybe this time the Supreme Court will eventually actually rule on the fucking crazy use of the Alien Enemies Act (they weirdly haven't yet, other than saying people need to be given sufficient notice, which the administration predictably likely ignoring)
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 18 21:26:16 Tw really wants to keep illegal criminals in this country.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 18 21:30:52 imprisoning people (especially in foreign prisons) who are not even accused of a crime is wrong... mind-boggling your side can't see it (or even acknowledge it... -ALWAYS- "he's just 'deporting'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" fucking brainwashed scary-ass cult
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