Utopia Talk / Politics / Hitlers roots in US racism

williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 06:10:53 The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum The Holocaust Encyclopedia The meanings of “race” and “racism” have varied over time and in different political, social, and cultural settings. This discussion question focuses on the history of racial antisemitism in Germany and its relationship to racism in the United States.  Which aspects of racism and eugenics in the United States most influenced racism in Nazi Germany? US racial and eugenic laws and practices were an inspiration to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.  Prior to taking power, the Nazi Party leader cited US policies in his 1925 political manifesto Mein Kampf (My Struggle). Hitler was impressed by the American notion of “Manifest Destiny.” The United States used this concept to justify the brutal forced displacement of Native Americans. The Americans expanded westward and destroyed Native Americans to make room for white settlers. According to Hitler, this history served as a precedent for Germany. Racist and eugenic practices and laws in the United States sometimes provided models for German legal experts. German lawyers and Nazi propagandists referred to precedents in the United States and elsewhere to argue that Nazi racial practices were legitimate and normal.  German legal experts cited, for example, a 1909 California eugenic law. This law permitted the sterilization of patients in state psychiatric hospitals, institutions for people with mental disabilities (including “the feebleminded” and epileptics), and prisons. American eugenicists, meanwhile, were proud they had provided this model. For instance, one of them took note of the Nazi law expanding permissible sterilization to individuals outside institutions. He even asserted, “The Nazis are beating us at our own game!” The Nazi regime enacted the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. Then 45 German legal experts traveled to the United States to research American examples for ways to implement the laws. One law they found useful was the Johnson-Reed Immigration Act of 1924. In their effort to determine how to define who was a Jew, German experts also studied US “blood fraction” laws. They looked at states that applied “blood fraction” principles to ban inter-racial marriages. One such example was the 1924 Racial Integrity Act of Virginia. This law defined “white persons'' as those who had no trace whatsoever of “blood” other than Caucasian, or had one-sixteenth or less American Indian “blood” and no other non-Caucasian blood.  The Nazi regime did adopt a “blood” standard to determine “racial” identity. However, it was less stringent than the Virginia law, tracing “blood heritage” of Jews back only three generations. More at: http://enc...s%20of%20American%20democracy.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 01 08:14:06 TTT for the drug addicts and neonazis Pills and CC etc
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 03:33:32 Exactly what response are you expecting out of another one of your syphilitic and aimless copy&pastes? You couldn't even be bothered to say a single thing about what you copy&pasted to put it into the context of anything present or relevant. You really are a fraud. Even a freshman undergrad student would not be allowed to simply copy&paste and say, «Voila!» yet you do even less than that; here you are, completely unable to see how indistinguishable you are from a generic A.I. spambot.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 03:40:03 Its good for people to know that your nazism doesnt have its roots just in Hitlers nazism, but that the deepest and darkest roots of Hitlers Nazism are to be found in families like your family. That the greatest genicodal evil is a family tradition in families like yours.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 03:43:08 More pathetic totalitarian-Regime thought-terminating clichés. I am not a "Nazi" or "fascist", you faggot. Find new words and maybe try to cite my actual words so you can see how completely disconnected your insane ramblings are from them.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 03:45:39 You are the epitome of a genuine Neonazi, from a long line of protonazis.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 03:53:58 Hitlers nazism began with Americans like you, your American predecessors were his greatest source of inspiration, and you are among the proudest flag bearers of the American heirs of the American form of nazism as it rises up again.
Pillz Member	Wed Apr 02 04:06:22 This is actually fascinating. The actual neonazi yelling into the void that everyone else is a nazi so he doesn't hate himself
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:15:24 Of course, the US version of nazism has always been more focused on pure racism than the German version. The German version list of people it rounded up to murder ran pretty much as follows: Communists Socialists Ethnic groups Homosexuals The American list of people it wants to round up and murder tends to look more like: Ethnic groups Homosexuals Communists Socialists
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 04:15:40 [williamthecoward]: "You are the epitome of a genuine Neonazi, from a long line of protonazis." Another assertion without an argument. Another thought-terminating cliché which shows that you are merely an unthinking tool of totalitarian Regime thought-reform. You are weak, predictable, and incapable of insight. [Pillz]: "This is actually fascinating. The actual neonazi yelling into the void that everyone else is a nazi so he doesn't hate himself" Good call, actually. I can say that I have never joined a Neo-Nazi gang and never even had the inclination, but williamthecoward has himself admitted to doing just that. It's just more projection. All of his insults are just him inside of a confessional yelling his resentment and bad conscience through a screen. He rarely even cares if there's anyone on the other side of that screen, and, if anything, a dialogue is an inconvenience to him.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:17:08 Im glad to see the American heirs of American protonazism on UP getting a lesson in their Nazi roots from The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, though.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 04:23:46 You really are incapable of escaping from thought-terminating clichés. Are you aware of how thoroughly indoctrinated you are?
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:23:58 Ok Nazi
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Apr 02 04:39:46 I know we abuse pathology, but this is genuine ASPD. Nowhere was this evident as these thread: http://uto...hread=93869&time=1739312557902 In summary, a our friend was asking for help and WTB could not even pretend to be a human being, let a lone a decent one capable of empathy. Followed up here: http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=93945&time=1739536059906 Where WTB finally realizes that he is the biggest scumbag on UP of all places. LOL :) williamthebastard Member Wed Feb 12 17:37:19 I do think that you've been met with a level of compassion here, however, plus that youre anonymous, that you could come really clean here and unload things going on in your mind that you may not have dared tell anyone. Surprisingly, Utopia, for once, is actually showing some genuine compassion. Even then his patience is thin trying to help. He has absolutely zero social skills, non-existent control of his emotions. His approach to helping people in distress is to yell at the LISTEN TO ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT! We should be glad he never had kids as they would be have been shaken to death at 2 weeks old.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 04:41:26 More recycling. More thought-terminating clichés. ♻️ You have no mind of your own, and in your impotence just returned to my thread to spam it closed. Pathetic. And in that thread your greatest "steel man" (if I can search in the wreckage of your cindering thoughts for one) is that mentioning jews itself produces "nazis" — a laughable non sequitur. Tiny-minded leftists truly cannot think beyond the clichés. Even as international left-wing progressives talk more about jews than I ever could, you would ignore your own hypocrisy simply because all you know is that "[CC is not on my team, and anyone not on my team is the 'bad thing']". Your weakness is your own inescapable prison. Your education was wasted on you. You are merely a slave.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:47:33 The US version of Nazism's tendency to place homosexuals so high on their list of people they want to murder probably has to do with it being more of a religious country than Germany. But I wonder if their tendency toward placing ethnic groups at the top of their list, unlike the German version which placed political opponents at the top, at least initially, (Jews were of course intimately tied to socialism) has to do with their belief that European blood was the finest bloodline, but they couldnt really place themselves in the European ethnogroup anymore. This might have created an ethnic uncertainty and topic of nervous instability among them, much like chauvinists who hate homosexuals often feel nervous about their deepest sexual proclivities
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:50:48 *As exemplified by CC's use of the word jew or jewry 35 times and faggot 60 times in her thread (and once in this thread so far)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Apr 02 04:54:51 That last thread is all of wtbs failings encapsulated in 1 thread. Not only does he fail basic empathy and establishing any kind of rapport with people he is trying to help. He once again speaks as an authority, this time on medical examinations in the form of MRIs and X-rays, based on how many times MRI vs X-ray comes up in the texts he translates. He concludes that one is better than the other and that X-rays being phased out. Once again failing basic high school level research, not even reading the links he provides.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 04:54:55 * The reason she uses faggot twice as many times as Jews is, of course, because she mentions Jews in terms of their apparent destruction of the supreme white race, while faggot is what she calls everyone who pokes their nose into her thread.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Apr 02 04:59:10 Does WTB thank me for educating him? No he constantly projects violence towards my family. He is the kind of guy that would get violent because you looked at him funny. Which makes me think that he did not join that nazi gang because he was bullied. That is not the whole story. WTB is clearly driven by dominance and power, there are clear sadistic elements to his behavior.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 05:04:48 Another example of how the US version of and inspiration for German Nazism was more concerned with murdering ethnic groups than the German is shown by: "One such example was the 1924 Racial Integrity Act of Virginia. This law defined “white persons'' as those who had no trace whatsoever of “blood” other than Caucasian, or had one-sixteenth or less American Indian “blood” and no other non-Caucasian blood. The Nazi regime did adopt a “blood” standard to determine “racial” identity. However, it was less stringent than the Virginia law, tracing “blood heritage” of Jews back only three generations." Germans allowed people who had Jewish ancestry 4 generations back to be considered German while the US version forbade any ancestry other than European ancestry at all to be allowed.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 05:08:17 It is nice to see UP's romantic couple united once again in their defence of genocidal racism, though. Ilse Koch would of course support the extermination of her online BF in a second in practicality, but that topic is for another thread
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 05:32:47 [williamthecoward]: "much like chauvinists who hate homosexuals often feel nervous about their deepest sexual proclivities" lol. And there it is! :D I just made fun of this leftist tendency in the other thread ("why is it always the UK?" http://uto...hread=94257&time=1743588835251 ): "[Hur hur, why do you care so much? Must be you're a little gay yourself if you're so interested in gay issues? Hur hur]." ..so, of course, williamthecoward couldn't help but walk right into this low-IQ trap here. He is such a fucking retard XD [williamthecoward]: "The reason she uses faggot" Nope. The reason I use the word faggot is because you're a faggot. You should probably check the correlation between your presence and the frequency of people saying, "Faggot," since I'd bet that you think that there are too many people in your regular life who use the word. It's kind of an accidental sampling bias, like how a person bleeding from the head might find it "strange" that lots of people ask him, "Are you okay?" And, unlike your inept and inarticulate use of "Nazi", there is a lot of evidence that you're a blithering faggot. Like, you're a weak leftist, you're impotent, you're pathetic, you're a sissy little bitchboy, you're overly emotional, you fall apart in the smallest breeze, you're afraid of everything, and you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded. It's pretty easy to identify that you're a faggot, you faggot. [williamthecoward]: "the supreme white race" You think White people are the "supreme ... race"? That's fucking psychotic. What's wrong with you? No race is the "supreme race". That's the kind of psycho talk that the Muslims in the UK are using to justify the mass-rape of White people. And would it interest you to know that many jewish people also believe themselves to be the "supreme race" and that that is part of their belief system wherein they are "Chosen"? It's a sick and twisted aspect of slave morality that I outright condemn. No people is "Chosen" and no people is "supreme"; our actions and good works define our benevolence, and that does not happen through passive status. [williamthecoward]: "defence of genocidal racism" Nowhere have I defended "genocidal racism", much less genocide at all, much less killing. My consistent position is that people such as yourself should live forever with a perfect memory and a conscience. So why are you lying? At best, you're making a weak reference to the other thread (same link), wherein I mentioned that pedophiles should get the death penalty. Do you disagree with that position? Do you think that there are so many pedophiles that putting them to death would produce a "genocide"? Interesting if so. I'd suspect that there are not many of them. Do you know something that I do not regarding their numbers? Would your knowledge interest local police? [Nim]: "WTB is clearly driven by dominance and power, there are clear sadistic elements to his behavior." Absolutely. I've pointed this out with regards to people with slave morality, but people caught up in this oppressor/oppressed false dichotomy truly believe that the only solution is for them to become oppressors. In their myopic minds, those are the only two options (oppressor or oppressed), so "victory" for them means enslavement and annihilation. That's always the danger in these resentful types. They merely want to punish people who are better than them.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 05:58:22 Its interesting that Iran also was a close friend of Hitler, although, of course, like Incel Boi, their racial hatred has largely been concentrated to Arabs "In 1936, the Hitler cabinet declared Iranians to be immune to the Nuremberg Laws. Demands from the Allies for the expulsion of German residents in Iran, mostly workers and diplomats, were refused by the Shah. Shahrukh promoted the idea of revenge for the massacre of the Purim in biblical times and suggested his Iranian followers attack the Jews. Nightly newspapers were distributed in Tehran and swastikas were often painted on Jewish homes and shops. In that time, Iranians had a very similar anti-Semitic worldview. While the Nazis villainized the Jews, Persians had a deep rooted hatred towards Arabs. In 1941, because of his heavy Nazi tendencies, and out of fear of another genocide of semites taking place, the Allies forced Reza Shah to abdicate the throne to his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The British believed that Zahedi was planning a mass uprising against Allies, in cooperation with Nazi forces. He was arrested and found with German weapons and correspondence from a German agent. "
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 06:07:40 "Many Nazi generals and soldiers who fled the war, sought refuge in Iran, resulting in the continuation of Nazi ideologies and organizations in Iran. In commercial links, West Germany still remained well ahead of other European countries, even the United States, until 1974.[citation needed]" I suppose Incel's fantasies about Marx being a Satan worshipper, Marx being the Nazis most hated representative as both a Jew and a socialist, can largely be traced back to these roots
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 06:12:19 Now williamthecoward is just retreating to his syphilitic spamming. He's just copy&pasting random paragraphs that he scanned on Wikipedia (literally from this Wiki page http://en....ran_relations&oldid=1277707576 ). This is basically what he learned to do in his education: steal from Wiki. His professors must have been embarrassed that he could be so transparently derivative. Not a single thought of his own to contend with.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 02 06:27:00 CC, if you were offered a job as a concentration camp guard if you lose 200 lbs, do you think that would be a strong enough incentive for you to leave your bariatric bed? Or would it take even more than that, say, employment with an enhanced interrogation team?
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Apr 02 06:44:33 I'm guessing this is more of your projection, so why are you bed-ridden and overweight? Is it correct that you have a debilitating neurodegenerative disease? Is it a genetic disorder that you inherited from your parents? And why are you so interested in being a concentration-camp guard? I think it's because you're evil and you're seeking the discharge of your resentment, but how would you describe that by your own vocabulary?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Apr 02 08:44:46 CC ”I'm guessing this is more of your projection” It’s like all the words pathologizing posters that we have abused over the years, they all imploded into WTB.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Apr 02 17:40:43 Does this thread just exist so everyone can insult each other?
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