Utopia Talk / Politics / send those planes back!

TheChildren Member	Wed Apr 16 13:37:23 word is 100 to 200 boeings been cancelled! chayna dont want no more is u cookin or is cookin hello darkness ur ol friend
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 16 14:46:30 Mmm, theyre looking into buying airbuses instead. Mega.
Paramount Member	Wed Apr 16 14:57:08 Boeing losing the Chinese market. Haha Rip Boeing.
Paramount Member	Wed Apr 16 14:58:43 Ben Norton over at the Geopolitical Economy Report is doing an excellent report on this http://youtu.be/w6t1oQ5G668 Bwahaha
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 16 15:33:01 Trump’s trade war is wrecking America’s brand, from Teslas to Treasuries It’s been two weeks since President Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” tariff speech launched a global trade war, premised on absurd math, and erased trillions of dollars in market value. Every day since has been a stream of contradictory statements and brinkmanship with no way of knowing which declarations will stick. (Not helping: The looming threat of a constitutional crisis as the White House picks fights with American courts, higher education, the entire legal profession and most of the media.) It’s no wonder then that the rest of the world is taking a look at the United States — as a trading partner, a travel destination, a steward of the global financial market — and shaking their heads. Even before the tariffs were announced, multiple European countries, Canada and China issued travel updates warning their citizens about potentially being detained at the US border. Canadians have been especially vocal about canceling their trips to the US in protest of Trump’s policies, including tariffs. But they’re not alone: All foreign arrivals into major US airports tumbled 20% late last month compared with the same period a year ago, according to an Axios analysis — a fact that should alarm the more than $2 trillion US travel and tourism industry. The world’s appetite for American-made stuff is also taking a hit, especially in China, which is retaliating against Washington’s 145% tariff. On Tuesday, Bloomberg reported that Beijing has halted all deliveries of aircraft and parts made by Boeing, that quintessentially American manufacturer that directly or indirectly supports 1.6 million US jobs. Whether Beijing’s move is a negotiating tactic or a lasting boycott of the plane maker, it is decidedly bad news for Boeing, which hasn’t turned a profit in more than five years. But it’s great news for Boeing’s European rival, Airbus. When stocks fell in response to tariffs, the market for US government bonds — the boring-est, safest, most vanilla of assets — should have been the go-to place for investors. That didn’t happen. Sleepy Treasuries started behaving like risk assets, a sign that investors are losing confidence in America’s ability to pay its debt and manage its economy. That’s the financial equivalent of a five-alarm fire. Meanwhile, the value of the US dollar has been falling — another sign investors are shying away from what has historically been the market’s safe haven. “I think this is one of the biggest ‘own goals’ to US credibility in financial markets that I’ve ever seen in my lifetime,” said Heidi Crebo-Rediker http://edi...ica-brand-trade-war/index.html
Sam Adams Member	Wed Apr 16 16:29:12 Lol no parts? China gonna need their slow pleb trains real quick.
murder Member	Wed Apr 16 19:23:46 Everyone is calling to kiss Trump's ass and beg him for a deal. They will do anything, sir!
murder Member	Wed Apr 16 19:24:15 Anyway why the hell doesn't China make their own airliners? -
Sam Adams Member	Wed Apr 16 23:03:39 Safe reliable airliners are complex. Hard to copy.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Apr 17 05:11:10 Im reading that the EU uses burner phones when speaking to untrustworthy nations that they then destroy afterwards. Apparently, theyve started using them when speaking to the USA too, since theyre now considered one of the untrustworthy nations.
williamthebastard Member	Thu Apr 17 05:18:31 Meanwhile, when it comes to fighter jets Portugal and Canada are considering buying the Swedish JAS 39 Gripen E/F as a replacement for the American F-35 due to concerns over a "kill switch". Portugal and Canada are both considering alternatives to the now controversial American-made F-35 class of fighter jet, according to recent media reports. Micael Johansson, the CEO of Swedish company Saab, confirmed to Swedish media that Portugal and Canada are studying whether to buy the JAS 39 Gripen E/F fighter jet. The news comes weeks after Nuno Melo, Portugal’s defense minister, said he was skeptical over buying the US F-35A Lightening II, which is produced by American aerospace and defence company Lockheed Martin. The Gripen outperforms the F-35A Lightening II in its maximum speed, getting up to 2,400 km/h compared to the F-35’s 1,900 km/h. The Gripen can also fly further on missions and have greater fuel capacity. The Gripen is also less expensive than the F-35, Kowalski added, coming in at an estimated operating cost of between $4,700 (€4,135) and $7,000 (€6,159) an hour compared to the F35’s $33,000 (€26,391) to $40,000 (€35,188) an hour. Mission turnaround time is also quite different between the crafts, Erskine explained, with the Gripen being ready for a new mission in 20 minutes compared to the 3 hours needed for the F-35. The Rafale F4 is considered "extremely balanced" because it has a easy transition from land to carrier-based operations, easy to service, and good stealth that means it is useful for many types of missions, he added. Erskine said Europe should put together a coalition that shares technology, critical fighter jet parts, and supply chains to end that reliance on American technologies.
Paramount Member	Sat Apr 19 16:18:03 China has stopped buying gas from USA. First Boeing and now gas. China can buy cheap gas from Russia instead. USA is losing a lot.
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