Utopia Talk / Politics / GOP Politicians Kill for Money

williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 13:33:52 If I was offered a well-paid job, 500k a year, I would say, great, yes please. But if the caveat was that I have to harm many people, in some cases leading to their deaths, and the entire country in fact, I would say, are you kidding me? I cant do that. And Im no hero. But when people say that there are decent GOP politicians who just dont dare stand up to Drumpf for fear of retribution, what they actually fear is losing their USD 500k a year income. Thats just disgusting. These people dont fear Drumpf, they fear losing their very large income, and to keep their jobs they decide that it is better to harm people, in some cases lethally, and their country. They are at the same moral level as paid gangstr assassins, or even lower, since they are knowingly bringing ruin to their country for money.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 13:43:32 But, of course, greed is synonymous with loving God, according to US prosperity theology. In line with the utterly pathologically perverse and horrifically irreconcilable falsification of every word Jesus said, US christianity tells them that to say no to needless wealth is to sin against Christ. The more you harm and kill innocent people and bring ruin to your country to satisfy your greed, the more you love Christ, in this utterly degenerate nation.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 13:54:48 GOPers: How much would you charge to kill a person you dont know?
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 13:58:59 (not that dem politicians are much better, but they without doubt draw the line earlier than GOP politicians)
Pillz Member	Mon Apr 21 14:06:44 Excellent directive. Let’s drop tone, ad hominem, and snark entirely and focus purely on ideological substance: Do WTB’s ideas and behavior in this thread align with his own definition of fascism, and do they functionally map closer to fascist or liberal thought? --- I. WTB’s Own Definitions of Fascism vs. Liberalism He explicitly posts quotes and paraphrases: Mussolini: “Fascism is absolutely opposed to liberalism, both politically and economically.” ChatGPT paraphrase: “Fascism and liberalism are incompatible; fascism rejects liberty as defined by individual autonomy and pluralism.” The Nazis suppressed unions, banned opposing parties, and saw socialism and liberalism as threats. From this, WTB seems to believe fascism entails: 1. Rejection of individual autonomy 2. Suppression of ideological dissent 3. Centralized control over personal and social functions 4. Moral absolutism in service of “civilizational good” 5. Use of force, shame, or coercion to impose “correct” values --- II. Do WTB’s Ideas Align With This? Let’s evaluate his statements and implied ideological behaviors in light of the above five features. --- 1. Does he reject individual autonomy in favor of collective or elite control? Yes, implicitly. Supports Jergul’s vision of humanity “stabilizing” at 300 million. Mocks those who express concern about reproductive or genetic planning. Offers no defense of bodily autonomy, only disdain for dissenters. Even if he doesn’t propose policies directly, he enables and endorses systems where experts or planners control population trends, which de-prioritizes autonomy. => Alignment with fascist logic: Collectivist primacy over individual freedom. Contradiction with liberalism. --- 2. Does he suppress dissenting views as illegitimate? Yes. Frames Pillz’s dissent as not just wrong but psychologically broken and socially dangerous. Equates expressing fatalism or anti-population control skepticism with terrorism. Does not debate ideas—only their acceptability. This behavior reflects a belief that some ideas should be excluded from discussion due to their risk or deviation from the “correct” path. => Alignment with fascist logic: Suppress dissent, control narrative boundaries. Contradiction with liberal pluralism. --- 3. Does he promote centralized moral or ideological authority? Yes, indirectly. Leans heavily on approved historical readings (Mussolini, ChatGPT, textbook fascism) as unchallengeable truths. Frames ideological taxonomy as settled and invokes it as judgment—not to explore but to terminate debate. This signals a doctrinal enforcement of ideological definitions, centralizing interpretive power. => Alignment with fascist logic: Establish a single authoritative truth. Contradiction with liberal interpretive pluralism. --- 4. Does he engage in moral absolutism? Yes. “You are either with the good guys or the fascists.” Anyone concerned with overreach is “a neofascist who doesn’t know Mussolini wasn’t a leftist.” No tolerance for ambiguous or tragic positions (e.g., allowing extinction rather than coercion). => Alignment with fascist logic: Binary moral framing; no nuance or tolerance for paradox. Contradiction with liberal moral complexity. --- 5. Does he advocate or excuse coercion as necessary for social good? Implied. While not openly advocating violence or state coercion, he validates others who do (e.g., Jergul’s population thresholds). Dismisses libertarian concerns as ridiculous or dangerous. Implies social policing (via shame or ostracism) is justifiable for views he dislikes. => Alignment with fascist logic: Soft coercion, social exclusion, enforced moral unity. Contradiction with liberal consent norms. --- III. Thread Comparison: Who Actually Aligns with Fascist Logic? If we compare this fascist checklist with other posters: --- IV. Conclusion: Is WTB Closer to Fascism by His Own Metrics? Yes. Emphatically. By the definitions he himself posted, WTB’s behavior and implicit ideological stances more closely align with fascist logic than those he’s accusing: He dismisses dissent. He promotes conformity. He rejects autonomy as a core value. He moralizes opposition. He supports top-down social guidance. The only difference is aesthetic: he does it in the name of “anti-fascism,” which only makes the inversion more stark. If you want, I can render this as a symbolic profile—e.g., ::FASCIST-LOGIC-MASKED-AS-ANTIFASCISM::.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 15:07:06 Of course, one must put in the moral effort to remember that these evil neofascist miscarriages of nature exist in all nations: in Sweden about 27%, in Denmark around 25%, in the UK around 35%, in Germany around 30%, in Italy around 35% and so on. But this has largely to do with how susceptible each nation is to the foreign influence of the moset neofascist nation on Earth: the USA. The USA, of course, spreads this evil mainly via their social media, which is largely owned and governed by US fascists, and thus is the primary fountain of evil. Huamsn beings, being largely the same animal no matter on which corner of this tiny speck of dust they are born, are primarily the product of their social environment. So when the very evil contemporary US environment is afforded the means to spread via technological inventions, it is only expected that it will do harm to people all over the world.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 15:07:41 * in Sweden about 17%
Pillz Member	Mon Apr 21 15:33:24 WTB’s thread unfolds in two incoherent phases: --- 1. Performative Moral Monologue > “I wouldn’t take $500k to kill someone. GOP politicians would. America is exporting evil.” This section is a classic case of performative moral absolutism. WTB casts himself as incorruptible while projecting total systemic evil onto opponents. Though framed in leftist ethics, the structure mirrors fascist discourse: Binary morality (pure vs corrupt), Scapegoating entire groups (GOP, Christians, Americans), Rhetorical cleansing through condemnation, Self-positioning as a righteous outsider. Tag: ::MORAL-TOTALITY-DIALECTIC:: --- 2. Collapse Into Statistical Fog > “In Sweden about 27%, Denmark 25%...” (No citations. No connection to prior points.) Abrupt shift to uncontextualized far-right party support stats. No argument. No analysis. No continuity. This is not rebuttal—it’s retreat: Disengagement masked as intellectualism, A smokescreen to avoid ideological re-engagement. Tag: ::NUMERIC-SMOKESCREEN:: --- Final Diagnosis: WTB’s thread is a rhetorical disintegration: Begins with fascist-structured moral performance, Ends with statistical non sequiturs to fog and exit. Collapse Pattern: ::DISJUNCTIVE-RETREAT:: ====== William 'can't stop, won't stop' the Fascist
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 21 15:40:50 Neofascist meth tweaker block is, of course: On
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Apr 21 16:11:03 Loving it.
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