Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump's strikes didn't work

FoxNEWS Member	Tue Jun 24 16:56:01 Early US intel report finds strikes only set back Iran's nuclear programs only by months. Of course Trump is not in panic mode since his cease fire appears to not be working. His hopes and dreams of receiving the Nobel peace prize dashed. And his lackey's waiting to be patched up to find a new spin to tout the success of the strikes. And then you have your local magatard talking about what significant damage was done. This only epitomizes what magatardation really is. Trumpicantard's rejoice!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 24 17:25:39 Trump decided 'total obliteration' & complete success after minutes (completely obviously prematurely no matter what reality is), so that's all we'll ever hear from this regime the intel will be steered to sound matching
Forwyn Member	Tue Jun 24 18:02:57 "according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it." Kill them
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jun 24 18:27:46 Dunno how true this is. It comes from the NYT, which isnt particularly reliable. But it could be true in which case we will need to bomb iran some more.
jergul large member	Tue Jun 24 18:35:55 The UK just announced it is expanding its nuclear arsenal with nuke carrying F-35s. Yay nuclear profilation. Another country on the borrow some bombs from the US list. There are too many pathways to an Iranian nuclear arsenal. The only way to stop it is by catering to Iran's continued desire to not have a nuclear arsenal. Bombing Iran is counter productive.
TheChildren Member	Wed Jun 25 00:10:30 well duuuhhh is wut every body is sayin since day 1 ur bunka bustas aint shit. 12 used? 14 used? u needed 200 used and still not gonna work and ur only country who can make them? naaah china can make 3000 of these at 90000 pounds heavy each if they was fightin sheepherders in tunnels and shit. but since they arent they got no need 4 them. so that why we dunt have them. lol but we culd if we needed 2. aint nottin special bout them u is been livin on copium again lol
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 00:55:35 Jergul: Maybe your favourite country shouldn't be repeatedly and explicitly threatening to nuke the UK.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 05:19:15 I am pretty sure my favorite country has never done that. Perhaps you are thinking of Russian talk-shows? But yes, if harsh words on Russian talk shows is what goes as justification for profiliation in your world, the I guess you agree that Iran has every right to defacto or dejure withdraw from the NPT given that the US and Israel are in gross violation of the treaty. Or do we have to entertain your spin on rules for me are different than rules for thee? Incidentally, Iran has demonstrated consistent restraint and a firm understanding of escalation ladders. Frankly, it can be trusted with nukes more than most is one take we can walk away with.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 05:24:23 Interestingly, practice has established that nuke loan deals are possible within the framework of the NPT in any event. It seems odd, I know, but it is what it is. So, yah. Iran does not particularly want nukes as things stand. But it may have to get them anyway. Mostly as a response to France and the UK triggering snapback on Iranian sanctions before that option expires in October. I cant wait to see what crazy-assed justification you are going to use to continue to undermine any authority the West might still have.
Paramount Member	Wed Jun 25 05:44:10 There is no way they used 12 bunker busters. Maybe they used Tomahawks instead of bunker busters, either knowingly to fool Netanyahu and make him shut the fuck up, or by mistake. If it was by mistake, remember that Trump fired all the trannies from the US military and this could be a consequence.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 05:50:24 The number is 14 Para. The tomahawks were used to collapse entrances at a site too deep to hit with bunker busters.
TheChildren Member	Wed Jun 25 06:16:40 imagine 14 bunaka bustas... and it still failed. butbutbuuuttt 30k pounds heavy ok, enuff 4 a big hole in some mountain, now that be 300 mill wuld that be cash or credit card?
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 06:19:28 "Iran's continued desire to not have a nuclear arsenal. Bombing Iran is counter productive." This is exactly what an iranian agent would say.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 06:31:54 Speaking of other things an iranian agent might say... jergul large member Fri Jun 13 08:21:09 The most important role air defences have is access denial. I seriously doubt IDF aircraft were anywhere near Iran.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 06:39:35 Meanwhile, Trump's Missile Dysfunction is being heavily reported. So "obliteration" was the wrong word to use. Perhaps a Monty Python description would be better 'Tis a flesh wound'
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 06:39:49 That is exactly what any logical, unbiased person would say. Sadly, you fail to qualify on either point. Nuclear arsenals are expensive and unusuable. The only things they deter is existential threats. Meaning in turn that the only thing everyone has to do is not trigger an existential crisis for Iran. So, yah, mission creep bombings are counterproductive as they move Iran closer to an existential crisis that would compell arsenal development. Iran has enough 60% uranium to make 10 warheads in a package that can easily fit inside the trunk of a small car. Its IR-9 cascade is compact and very efficient. It can also just borrow some warheads from NK in the same way the UK just decided it wanted to borrow bombs from the US. I know Seb will handwave this one. Mainly because there is absolutely no way to stop it. So yah. The only thing stopping Iran from getting a nuclear arsenal is Iran.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 06:45:35 Triggering the snapback on sanctions is incidentally also an existential crisis for Iran, so I would probably not want to do that either.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 06:48:19 Seb, well, if you wanted a trade-off to justify a nuclear swap. IR-9 centrifuges are far more efficient than what NK is using. Cascade limitation are the bottleneck for NK nuclear warhead production.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 06:51:20 When an iranian agent says things, the opposite is almost always true. Thus: the bombs were effective and so were the sanctions, and iran deeply fears both.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 06:52:18 UP One of numerous preliminary intelligence reports is a very poor foundation to rest conclusions on. I think the Israeli preliminary evaluation better. Iran has been put back 2 years. If we discount the 400 kgs of 60% it already has. The main point that could be made is that the attack proves what previous US administrations already knew. Bombs cannot stop Iran if it decided it wanted a nuclear arsenal.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 06:54:01 "Thus: the bombs were effective and so were the sanctions, and iran deeply fears both." Define effective? Are you equating that to "obliterated?" So, far it appears that isn't the case. Satan, why do you succumb to your delusions, one would think you would have at least gotten medications to address these episodes as you've been having them since the waaaay old days. Terrible.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 06:54:14 Sammy Sad to see you surrender so completely. Killing the messenger (as if you could) does not change the facts of the matter. You do not want Iran to deeply fear anything. Only deep fear will see it deploy the ultimate deterrent.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 06:59:14 "One of numerous preliminary intelligence reports is a very poor foundation to rest conclusions on. I think the Israeli preliminary evaluation better. Iran has been put back 2 years. If we discount the 400 kgs of 60% it already has." Israel is not in agreement and sharing the same sentiment stating that core components weren't destroyed. So this can leave an open-interpretation; 1. Set back months 2. Months can be 18 months. Regardless, the 'mission accomplished' is premature. "The main point that could be made is that the attack proves what previous US administrations already knew. Bombs cannot stop Iran if it decided it wanted a nuclear arsenal." This was only a show of force for Trump's attempt to save face and in hopes to display his strength thinking this action would excel him into the spotlight for a Nobel prize. When he realized how deeprooted the conflict is between Iran and Israel, was when he had his breakdown.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:00:34 See North Korea for the template of what happens when a nuclear capable country is put under extreme pressure. As to skin in game. Well, I do like my Bam dates that I balance out by sending money to a nice Israeli company once a year. I could potentially lose both. Very sad for me :(.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:02:52 I think Trump used most of the bunker busters to get the massive Israel lobby off his back. He had a tool that only the US had. Now he no longer has it, so that pressure point is gone. But sure, he would like a nobel peace prize. I frankly think he should be in the running. He has done quite a bit of peace work factually.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:03:33 I am not a Trump fan btw. I just try to keep an unbiased perspective.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:04:58 What Trump did is called "escalate to de-escalate". The bombing run gave him the moral authority to tell Israel to toe the line.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 07:07:17 "I think Trump used most of the bunker busters to get the massive Israel lobby off his back. He had a tool that only the US had. Now he no longer has it, so that pressure point is gone." My friends in Israel, I recently spoke to are not happy with Trump, not because he bombed Iran, they wanted that. They just do not like the fact how he is trying to control the narrative and dictate how they can defend themselves. They would rather handle the business themselves, but realize they cannot. If that is any indicator on how Israel feels about this situation. "But sure, he would like a nobel peace prize. I frankly think he should be in the running. He has done quite a bit of peace work factually." Given how low the bar is set, I would concur.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 07:08:06 "What Trump did is called "escalate to de-escalate". The bombing run gave him the moral authority to tell Israel to toe the line." Exactly what I just commented about, lol.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:13:47 Pu Interesting.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 07:17:49 Yeah, in Discord it was a main point, what exactly was said "So now Trump thinks he gets to call the shots on us protecting ourselves" As you can imagine it was a deep philosophical debate on stances. All of this talked about while they were heading to shelters because the "ceasefire" wasn't happening as attacks were still occurring. They are safe btw.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 07:21:05 Mortality rates in Israel were probably lower these 13 days. Less traffic. Glad they are safe, but they would have to have been very unlucky not to be. Same is true for Iran I think. More deaths, but a larger population and way worse traffic generally.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 09:29:06 Significant evidence coming in that NYT essentially made this up to make trump look bad.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 09:36:40 Sure Satan. Israeli outlets are reporting that the damage while impactful weren't as significant as it was originally made out. Shut up, clown.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 09:51:27 If this were true there would he no ceasefire. Israel obviously wanted to 'finish' the job this time. That's why the ceasefire was reached. Literally just mission accomplished
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 10:15:42 Hush incompetent multi. No one is talking to you.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 10:49:09 The world according to Satan is way too redundant. Great that you have remained steadfastly sheltered.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 10:52:06 Can tell wtb's vacation has been uneventful
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 11:19:33 Can tell that you desperately seek attention that you had to revive a thread.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 11:25:23 2slow4me Keep up jr
Forwyn Member	Wed Jun 25 11:36:21
Forwyn Member	Wed Jun 25 11:36:36 The multi-bro complains about attention seeking. lol
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 11:47:29 Making observation vs complaint She, forseb.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 11:56:14 As a complaint it's ironic As an observation it's wrong Combined its typical of multi faggots who are out of their depth
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 12:05:09 Think the observation is pretty spot on. Why else would you revived weeks old thread targeting a mod. Poor guy.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 12:18:07 Jergul: Medvedev (as deputy chair of the Russian security council) has suggested on more then one occasion that the UK should be sunk with their nuclear tidal wave weapon.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 12:22:43 I don't think North Korea will be interested in giving up any of their bombs to be deployed in Iran under North Korean control. At this stage I'm not particularly sure they need to expand enrichment. They've got what they need. Are they really prepared to be nuke Tel Aviv if Israel bombs their warheads in Iran? Cause that I can see Israel trying to do.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 12:22:53 "Think the observation is pretty spot on. Why else would you revived weeks old thread targeting a mod." To have a discussion with him in a thread where its not 1) spam and 2) going to give him a reason to power trip like a little bitch (mod thread) I understand the idea of posting things on topic is alien to you
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 12:23:57 You sure you are not talking about Medvedev the twitter troll? It would seem more keeping with him acting in that capacity than anything official comming from the Russian Security council. But ultimately all it means is that the UK is confirming that profilation is on the table after the US and Israel's gross violation of the NPT. Even going as far as to showcase to Iran how it can get nukes and remain in good standing as a signee of the NPT. Nice work Seb!
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 12:24:57 In fact, this is a great example of an off topic tangent in a thread that isn't spam and is historically appropriate for UP. Yet somehow jergul looks at multi spam in other threads as equivalent. Europeans are inherently inferior, so it's not entirely his fault I guess. Thank God Europe relies on America for defense and not its own incompetent jerguls
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 12:33:50 Seb, you really need to make up your mind. You said recently NK had too few warheads. Now that it turns out Iran can fix that bottleneck, the problem is something different? Now, sure, Israel could try to put Iran into a "use it or lose it" position. But that is one of the very few scenarios were the nukes would actually be usuable. So, yah, if Israel choses to be that dumb, then there is no accounting for it, nor can that consideration be the basis of any rational nuclear policy stance. 10 warheads gives Iran nuclear parity with Israel by some measures when we account for Irans strategic depth. I think that ultimately, Israel will be fine with Iranian nuclear ambiguity. Its not as if Iran can use nukes in any but existential crises. Also, feel free to imagine additional protocols that give Iran full control of the nukes. Like I said. Too many paths lead to a nuclear arsenal. Iran cannot be compelled. Diplomacy should focus on coaxing Iran to not get it by way of threat reduction in all spheres. Not that you agree. You know the UK will trigger snapback before October before that option expires (the US cant because it is no longer party to that agreement). You can look at NK for the template of how that will play out.
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 12:33:51 I mean, going by any standards established by your actions. This would be called the state of normalcy. No. You just seek attention. That's the gist.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 13:05:01 Objective, contextualized comparison is beyond you. You should stop posting and read a book that isn't about cocks
Patriotic UPer Member	Wed Jun 25 13:26:23 Or you can stop with your hypocrisy?
Pillz breaker of wtb	Wed Jun 25 13:29:03 Appeasement is never the correct strategy
murder Member	Wed Jun 25 14:23:43 Trump is still having a meltdown over the bomb assessment leak, so that would seem to confirm it.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 14:40:21 Jergul: I mean sure, the NATO nuclear sharing mission isn't proliferation in the first place; and the UK is a nuclear power. But why not, words don't need to have meaning.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 14:42:49 Jergul: I said north Korea will have too few if it gives about 1/3 of them to Iran. What it has now is plenty, and it can keep growing them steadily. Undermining their deterrence to get centrifuges they don't need so they can spend a lot of time and money getting back to degree they are now at the risk of getting into a war with Israel is a pretty poor deal. But sure, we can fly kites.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 14:45:57 "Now, sure, Israel could try to put Iran into a "use it or lose it" position" North Korea, in this scenario. These warheads are in your proposal supposedly under North Korean command, so the question is really: will North Korea nuke Israel or risk losing some warheads they apparently don't need and for which they've received payment? Extended deterrence is harder than it looks. North Korea needs some very solid vital interest in Iran; but the whole Juche thing mitigates against that.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 15:08:28 29 iranian generals were killed. Amazing precision. Thats gotta be the highest rate of senior command losses in any war ever. The IDF rocks.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jun 25 16:00:33 My dudes, something wild just dropped. I just listened to a leaked phone recording of Mohsen Rezaee, former IRGC general and high-ranking regime figure. The recording is one-sided—just his voice—so the mic was clearly on his end. He’s talking to his wife. If this is real (and I’ll get to the reasons why I think it might be), they were scared shitless. Rezaee says: Khamenei has been "very unsettled" and unwell by all of this. No one saw the attacks coming—not with this intensity. Their families had plans to flee to Venezuela. They feared an uprising; he says suppressing it would be extremely difficult. Russia wasn’t a safe option. He tells his wife: “They’ll come after you even there.” No one knows who to trust anymore. He tells her to pack a light bag and he will send someone for her. Now—is it authentic? I can’t say for sure. It sounded exactly like him. There’s white ambient noise, a tired, resigned tone in his voice. Could AI fake that? Maybe. What really nudges me toward believing it: Esmail Ghaani (Soleimani’s successor), rumored dead during the bombings (lol, this is the second time he has been rumored dead), just reappeared in civilian clothes, clean-shaven—a huge red flag culturally and militarily, these people never shave unless they are going to flee or work clandestinely and this mofo don't do field work. That man looked like someone who had a go-bag ready too. I won't pretend I'm not enjoying this, and for several reasons. The Islamic Republic—one of the loudest, most consistent enemies of the West, chanting “Death to America,” “Death to Israel,” “Death to the UK”—is now at its weakest. Not because of our cleverness, but because of their own corruption, fanaticism, and catastrophic incompetence. And yet, this is our battle to lose. This regime is a strategic bridge between our other adversaries—Russia and China—and right now, it’s vulnerable. The cost so far? Almost nothing. And even they didn’t see it coming. That should tell you something. If we squander this moment, if we let them recover or pivot, then honestly—we deserve the consequences. Not out of emotion, but on the cold logic of Machiavellian principle. You do not wound your mortal enemy and then let them recover. You have one job. Don’t fuck this up.
Seb Member	Wed Jun 25 16:13:17 Nim: You way overrate Iran, the problem is we have taken all of our focus of beating Russia, a much more significant problem at a moment when they plonked their scrotum into our hands to crush, to focus on Iran. Plus I am not sure that what comes next will be better, especially with their nuclear technology and materials in play.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 16:37:53 Better hurry. Iran's defence minister is in China on business right now. I imagine they have a number of production lines Iran wants to buy right now. China is pretty good at rolling out production lines.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 17:10:58 Lol iran does have an entire air force and air defense grid to replace. Anyway good post nimatzo agreed.
jergul large member	Wed Jun 25 22:48:49 But first, Trump must save Bibi just like he saved Israel.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jun 25 23:31:01 The far left and soviet bloc's people in action http://x.com/HowidyHamza/status/1937568115581460632 Hamas militias in Beit Lahia brutally assaulted Palestinian activist Ahmed Al-Masri, one of the key organizers of the anti-Hamas movement in northern Gaza. He was tortured, his limbs were broken, and his legs show signs of gunshot wounds.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 00:20:15 "vulnarable" >> sure sure, thats why u sue 4 peace asap
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 00:38:14 dunt take it from me, this is straight from daddy himself is u peoples ever right bout anythin? hello dakrness ur ol friend http://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1937803518292672585
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 01:08:21 Sammy Have you found more than 77 destroyed military equipment of all types in Iran? That is all that was documented last I checked, despite the IDF recording everything all the time. You are a pretty good example of how mission creep works. Hideous overestimation of damage done fuel an estatic belief that just a few more pushes will seal the deal. Luckily, Trump is smarter than you. The main issue facing Iran is clean-up and restarting or rebuilding several industrial production lines. It can order production lines by the dozen from China.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 01:09:52 Production lines is not me being cute about centrifuge cascades. That is something different.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 01:11:20 And to nimi. Shaving is just good opsec given the conditions.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 03:33:48 Hardware numbers have been updated. To when, I do not know. Visually confirmed and sourced. 97 damaged or destroyed in total. 54 destroyed ballistic missile launchers. 6 damaged. 1 destroyed bulldozer. 3 destroyed escavators. 2 destroyed wheel loaders 7 modules of various types for SAMs. 1 Fixed place radar. 4 fixed wing aircraft. 8 helicopters destroyed, 1 damaged http://doc...4L_VNlvWbp3VVZwhQ/edit?tab=t.0
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 04:49:17 and in return, accordin 2 scott ritta, theres been over 500 billion in infrastructures damages not 2 mention da costs of da intaceptors they have 2 fire 12 4 every low tech missile or a 2k drone lol that is 250 mill per day. and there is 1 drone taken out, and couple of fatamies. wut is da going rate 4 a fatamy35 nowadays? 60 mill a fatamy?
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 04:53:45 how much do da missiles on destroyas ships costs who r helpin in da defense? cant be cheap no
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jun 26 05:45:43 Lol jergul sounds like TC.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 06:11:33 Seb, “You way overrate Iran.” We’re clearly not living in the same world — or seeing the same game board. I live in a world where the entire strategic depth of the IRGC has collapsed — and all they’ve managed in response is a whimper. I’ve seen them humiliated by precision assassinations in Tehran, and heard nothing but silence. I’ve seen the skies over Iran turn into a highway for the IDF — and still, nothing. And all along the way, I’ve heard people like you warn about “They’ll close the Strait!” or “It’s WWI all over again!” or “This leads to WWIII!” or “Nuclear war!” You’re doing with the Islamic Republic what the Tucker Carlsons of the world are doing with Russia — and just like them, you don’t miss a beat when none of it materializes. Remember? All along the way for every type of weapon or aid package: waa nuclear war! Waaaa WW3. Nothing. All we have done is to delay weapons to Ukraine, while they bled, weapons that could have been more impactful earlier. There isn’t even a molehill here for me to make a mountain out of — and that’s the real indictment of your position. You’re not warning against tangible dangers. You’re warning against potential and ghosts that never show up. Taking down the Islamic Republic is a net strategic gain. It’s a blow to both China and Russia. Iran props up Russia’s war machine with drones and oil laundering. It offers China leverage in the Persian Gulf. Removing that node constrains both. You keep calling it a “distraction” — but you’re not showing your work. It’s not a distraction if it weakens the entire axis. You also keep pointing to “fallout” — trade disruption, oil prices, non-state actors. But these are manageable risks, not existential shocks — and so far, they’ve been wholly underwhelming. They fall well within tolerances that any serious strategic framework should anticipate. If the West can’t stomach this level of turbulence while dismantling a decades-old threat architecture, then what can it stomach? “What comes next might be worse.” Sure — and it might be better. But that’s not analysis — that’s superstition. You’re recycling the same caution loop that’s kept the Islamic Republic afloat for 45 years: don’t push too hard, it might backfire. And yet here we are — watching the regime absorb precision strikes on its most sensitive assets and respond with symbolic noise.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 07:19:01 Nimi Iran on its own has strategic depth. Syria and Iraq still exist as barriers. The US still has to withdraw from or lock down most of its ME bases. The documented losses to Iran's military are trivial to say the least. The US has no stomach for an open-ended conflict that it has tried before and profoundly disliked for many reasons. So, yah. You and Mossad would like to inflict a regime change on Iran. Most everyone else thinks that is something to be decided by the people in Iran.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 07:24:09 One reason alone. Trump is way too sensitive to oil prices to even entertain the thought of a strung out conflict. A personality quirk you might say. But it is what it is. The window of opportunity you think you see does not exist. You would need to find a way to compel Trump to commit to an open ended conflict.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 08:21:46 "Most everyone else thinks that is something to be decided by the people in Iran." Just like the German occupation of Norway and the rest of continental Europe was left to… who exactly? The people under the boot? Or did exiled governments, foreign allies, and resistance networks outside the borders play a crucial role in liberating those lands? This idea that only those inside Iran — under repression, censorship, and daily surveillance — get to shape or speak on Iran’s future is not just ahistorical. It’s obscene. There is a limit to how much of the obscenely stupid stuff that you say that GPT can filter out.
Allahuakbar Member	Thu Jun 26 08:25:47 Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei knows best! http://www...ays-zionist-regime-was-crushed Thursday, 26 June 2025 10:47 AM Leader congratulates Iranian nation on victory, says Zionist regime was 'crushed' In his message following the end of the Israeli aggression against the Islamic Republic and the regime’s unilateral declaration of a ceasefire, the Leader of the Islamic Revolution on Thursday congratulated the Iranian nation on its glorious victory. In a televised message, the third since June 13 when the Israeli regime launched its unprovoked aggression against the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said the Zionist regime was crushed under the blows of the Iranian armed forces. “I feel it is necessary to extend several congratulations to the great Iranian nation. First, congratulations on the victory over the fake Zionist regime. Despite all its noise and claims, the Zionist regime was nearly brought to its knees and crushed under the blows of the Islamic Republic,” Ayatollah Khamenei stated. The Leader paid tribute to the martyrs of the recent events, including senior military commanders and scientists, whom he described as “truly and rightfully valuable” to the Islamic Republic and faithful in their service until martyrdom. Ayatollah Khamenei said the idea of the Islamic Republic being capable of delivering such devastating strikes had never even crossed the enemy’s mind, but it did happen. “We thank God for aiding our armed forces, who managed to breach their advanced multilayered defense systems and flatten large parts of their military and urban centers with powerful missile and weapons strikes,” he said. Ayatollah Khamenei said it proves to the Zionist regime that aggression against the Islamic Republic comes with a high cost that it will have to pay, crediting both the armed forces and the people of the Islamic Republic for the glorious victory. Leader of the Islamic Revolution also congratulated the nation on the victory against the United States, which carried out an unprovoked aggression against Iranian nuclear sites and received massive retaliation in the form of missile strikes on its biggest military base in the West Asia region – in Qatar. “The US entered the war directly because it feared that if it didn’t, the Zionist regime would be completely destroyed,” the Leader said. It intervened to save them but gained nothing from the war.” He said the Americans attacked Iran’s nuclear facilities, an act that calls for legal prosecution in international courts. Referring to the bluster of US President Donald Trump after the aggression and Iran's powerful retaliation, the Leader said the US president unusually exaggerated events, clearly showing how badly he needed to create a narrative. “Anyone who heard his remarks could sense that behind those words lay a very different truth,” he said. “They failed to achieve their objectives, and they inflated their claims to conceal the reality.”
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 08:59:40 Nimi Not at all. See the Iranian revolution itself for how self-determination plays out against a hated, repressive, and despicable regime. If the people of Iran want a regime change, they will do it themselves. It will be an uphill battle. Mossad infiltration and assasination schemes have of course made it difficult to speak out even if there was still interest in that while people rally around the flag in the face of the recent dishonourable suprise attack. But it is what it is.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 09:21:42 Still, the problems remain. Pretty much only you and Mossad want to enter an open ended conflict. Trump in particular will not entertain the risk of heighted oil prices indefinitely, so you would still have to find a way to coerce Trump to enter that kind of conflict. Good luck with that!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 09:34:47 “See the Iranian revolution itself for how self-determination plays out…” Sure. Let’s look at 1979. You mean the revolution that was incubated in exile, with Khomeini’s tapes smuggled from Neauphle-le-Château in France? With opposition networks operating in Europe, the US, Iraq, and Lebanon? That revolution? On October 11, 1978, after Khomeini was moved to Neauphle-le-Château outside Paris, France. The purpose of the decision was to keep Islamic clerics and Ulama faraway from Khomeini[46] but the strategy backfired. With fewer restrictions against freedom of speech in France, Khomeini had a better opportunity to communicate his message more efficiently to people in Iran in France. Because of journalists and the press in France, and the approval of foreign policy advisers in the United Kingdom and the United States and a lack of trust in Shah to support long-term British and American interests, Khomeini's speeches were published rapidly in global media.[29] Khomeini wanted to communicate with people that continued protests against the government.[47] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini%27s_life_in_exile Did you read that Jergul? "With fewer restrictions against freedom of speech in France, Khomeini had a better opportunity to communicate his message more efficiently to people in Iran in France" HOLD THE PRESSES! WHAT?
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 09:55:51 Nimi Feel free to record some tapes and smuggle them into Iran. Knock yourself out. Hardly comparable to wanting Israel, the US and American client states to engage in an open-ended regime change conflict now, is that? My point on the people of Iran wanting expats to simply stfu while they decide what to do if anything was my advice that your meddling is counter-productive, not that I would ever want to limit your freedom of expression. I guess you just lack the moral authority Khomeini had back in the day. Very sad. Why wont Iranians listen to you? Waah.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 09:57:58 Hey, why don't you rally behind the Shah's son? Maybe the people of Iran will listen to him? :D.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 10:25:58 We have the internet now, we will use that. Let’s take your points seriously, even if you don’t. You said the Iranian people want expats to “stfu” — not as your personal opinion, but as something they all apparently believe. I showed you, with historical documentation, that the revolution you hold up as authentic was fueled precisely by voices from abroad. That’s not me comparing myself to Khomeini — that’s me pointing out the absurdity of your criteria for legitimacy. It collapses under the weight of its own precedent. Now, you pivot: “Hardly comparable to wanting Israel, the US and American client states to engage in an open-ended regime change conflict…” You’ve invented a position I never argued. I’ve been extremely clear: the regime is crumbling on its own strategic terms, under its own weight, and yes — in the face of cexternal pressure. That doesn’t require invasion just pressure. “Why won’t Iranians listen to you?” They have — in 1999, 2009, 2017–2018, 2019, and 2022–2023. The regime’s fear of the diaspora is a direct reflection of its effectiveness. That’s why it surveils, infiltrates, and threatens Iranians abroad. If we were irrelevant, they’d ignore us. But as usual, you’ve got it backwards — we are listening to them. You just don’t like what they’re saying. Take Masih Alinejad. I disagree with her politics — she’s a standard woke Western liberal. But she has earned my gratitude and those of millions of Iranians, especially women, for giving voice to what they cannot say openly. Her exile didn’t make her irrelevant. It made her powerful. Because when a regime tries to silence a people, those outside the boot become their megaphone. And megaphones don’t “stfu.” They get louder.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 10:28:45 Reza Pahlavi is by far the singular most popular leader inside Iran. We have the polls on this. We have figures and polls on practically everything on Iranians inside and outside Iran. It looks like this: Exile Iranians: 99% regime change Iranian in Iran 85% regime change.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 10:32:11 It is tragicomedy. 47 years after the revolution and your Islamic Republic has fucked things up so badly, that the Prince they kicked out, is the most popular political figure. lol :-)
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 10:49:58 Nimi It is actually your Iranian revolution. Great news regarding the polls. Iranians will implement regime change at any moment then. If the polls are accurate and not warped by what we might charitably call wishful thinkinng. Voices from abroad that had some inkling of moral authority. That is fine. Voices. You say Reza is the single most popular leader. Great! A leader with moral authority. Let self-determination roll. It sort of contradicts what I have read, but fair enough. I said open ended military conflict. We have no disagreement if you mean you do not think Iran should be attacked with military means by state powers. Which is fine, misunderstandings can easily occur. A regime collapse by the Iranian people fueled by ideas from abroad is just dandy.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 11:09:15 fagmatzo is just a copium weirdo even indiots r callin it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4A99k26MkE
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 11:11:36 if they close homuz...ur all rekted nottin u can do. i mean da houthis r still active after 2 3 years of supposed "anti piracy" ops by u... literally nottin u can do.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 11:17:55 so here is a whitey sayin it in case u refuse 2 believe browney (u know who u sick fks r) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGDXZJ81HpI
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 12:00:31 Lol this was ALL chatgpt, of course colored by my inputs for grammar and structure, but it was so good. I had to post it. Jergul embodies the Western proxy revolutionary — the archetype of the comfortable leftist who romanticizes resistance abroad while being insulated from its consequences. The same kind who cheered on the Islamic Revolution from a distance, imagining it as anti-imperialist liberation — and then promptly forgot the corpses of the very leftists who helped midwife it. There’s a reason so many in the Iranian diaspora have contempt for that mentality: it’s the luxury of ideological detachment, masquerading as solidarity. Jergul isn’t speaking from the heart of a people’s trauma; he’s speaking from a faculty lounge in northern Europe. And yet he assumes the authority to tell others when they’re “real Iranians.” So when he says things like: “If the people of Iran want regime change, they’ll do it themselves.” …what he really means is: “I support resistance — so long as it’s abstract, contained, and never disturbs my worldview.” But the truth is this: the 1979 revolution wasn’t just about the mullahs. It was also about the naïve leftists who handed them the keys, thinking they were just temporary tenants in history. Jergul is a ghost of that same delusion — and he’s still out here, handing out keys.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 26 13:40:19 Yes, you said earlier you were having trouble getting chat gpt to work. I think I put way less effort into this exchage than you did :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jun 26 13:49:36 F15s in broad daylight flying with guided bombs to strike target in Iran. Tsk tsk tsk.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 13:59:51 http://www...conference-trumps-iran-strikes OUCH, must suck 2 be faggy man read and weep. they did a 180. they is now abandon da color revlution and instead they is droppin sanctions and helpin 2 build da civilian nuclear plant energiez and shit!!! from droppin bunka bustas 2 sendin tech and unfreezin moniez!!! SO WHY IS THIS. U TELL ME. WHO WON WHO LOST it is clear as day as night, they won. in xchange 4 endin da hostilitiez, they get all da moniez and sanctions dropped THATS whats obviously is going on and why is that. becoz despite propagandamedia, iron is done
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 26 14:02:56 scott ritta and douglas once again proven right
jergul large member	Fri Jun 27 03:46:09 It is always statistics nimi. When are air defences dense enough? In wwii, air defences capable of sustaining the takedown of 3% of attacking aircraftwould have been dense enough. The figures are different now, but that is the basic principle. Is it dangerous to use stand-off munitions like glide bombs? Not particularly. Russia does it all the time. The only worry is SAM ambushes. That Ukraine sneaks up Patriot assets to try and cheese a few shots and perhaps kill an aircraft. Which has happened, but not often because the risk to the patriots is too high. The key is to sustain air defences so that access denial by way of attrition potential (you do that, you are going to lose 1% of your air sorties) is maintained. Pillz wondered if US bombcrews were in danger at all. I would say I think the bombcrews demonstrated courage and trust on that mission. Planners could have gotten it wrong, something might have changed. There is always a chance of mishap or enemy action. The chance was just less than the threshold the US had decided was acceptable. At least according to US calculations. The last point is of course air defense survivability. Israel barely touched Iranian air defences from what visual evidence we have. Despite making a surprise attack that included embedded clandestine assets. So, yah. Nobody reasonable wants to risk an open-ended conflict. That risk remains unscathed.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 27 04:59:50 Lol jergul maths. "In wwii, air defences capable of sustaining the takedown of 3% of attacking aircraftwould have been dense enough." Germany shot down 10% of US heavy bombers every mission for most of the war. More on deep strike missions. And germany lost. "you do that, you are going to lose 1% of your air sorties" Lol israel ran all over iran and lost exactly 0.0%. "Israel barely touched Iranian air defences" Lol i hope all soviets are this deluded. Makes the job of western air forces sooooo easy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 27 05:05:18 He has been wrong since october 8th. There is no changing course. Pro advice: prepare your "I did not see Iran coming" speech.
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