Utopia Talk / Politics / The CDC updated its website

Rugian rank	Sun Nov 23 16:33:30 Autism and Vaccines Nov. 19, 2025 Key points The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities. HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html
Pillz rank	Sun Nov 23 18:23:59 Glad we're finally holding the medical community to the standard they should be. Food, medicine, etc are all entirely fucked. Can clearly track a pattern of new innovations to negative health or environmental impacts on a neat almost fixed schedule of discovery/commercialization/'conspiracy'/grassroots/courts/studies/action not that it ever really solves anything. We innovate too quickly now, without enough regard for the potential long term effects, because of the enormous capital invested & on the table. The one field where this is 'mostly' untrue is mechanical engineering, where the concern is less about the underlying technologies and more about 1) did they do their job right and 2) stacking tolerances (ie: the construction or fabrication process opens up a lot of potential for errors). Like, you can't look at the obesity epidemic and what we sell on grocery store shelves and think the FDA has done its job.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Nov 23 18:27:00 This is just as retarded as the CDC fighting racism instead of covid. Why can't we have same middle ground leadership.
Rugian rank	Mon Nov 24 01:22:18 Oh I missed this fun little detail: During his confirmation hearing, RFK had promised he wouldn't remove the headline "Vaccines do not cause autism" from the website. So the headline is still there. But it now has this giant asterisk: "* The header "Vaccines do not cause autism" has not been removed due to an agreement with the chair of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee that it would remain on the CDC website." God damn we live in idiotic times.
Forwyn rank	Mon Nov 24 01:54:44 "headline "Vaccines do not cause autism" from the website." Why was this retarded shit on there to begin with?
murder rank	Mon Nov 24 03:41:02 This is what the American people voted for. -
Dukhat rank	Mon Nov 24 20:50:18 “ Why was this retarded shit on there to begin with?” Foreskin says unironically when it’s, in fact, there for stupid shits like him.
Rugian rank	Mon Nov 24 21:41:28 Dukhat wasn't nice about it, but the best way to fight disinformation is with information. Disinformation designed to encourage vaccine hesitancy is shit that needs to be fought against.
Rugian rank	Mon Nov 24 21:43:32 And we're not talking about experimental Covid vaccines that got rolled out in a matter of months. We're talking about well-established vaccines that have been around for decades and eliminated diseases that plagued scores of our forefathers. I kind of like living in a world where I don't have to worry about measles or tuberculosis, thank you very much.
Forwyn rank	Mon Nov 24 22:13:16 "Disinformation" doesn't really apply here. No studies have established a causal link. That's not the same as the site header. I understand that nuance isn't always realistic when dealing with the low-info, but this reeks of, "Masks aren't beneficial! (because we have a shortage and need them) Wait, masks are beneficial, wear them now". Having sacred cows where dialogue is walled off just further erodes public trust. If we were really worried about an uptick in communicable diseases, we would have stopped the border flood of millions, instead of crying about a few thousand raw milk fanatics.
Pillz rank	Mon Nov 24 22:41:40 Evidence about the side effects of 'normal' childhood vaccines is sorely lacking. Essentially none of the studies cited are relevant or well done. Or so I saw in some committee meeting on cspan
Rugian rank	Tue Nov 25 00:25:42 "Having sacred cows where dialogue is walled off just further erodes public trust." This is the sort of thing that needs to be sacred. Herd immunity demands high rates of vaccination across the entire community. If vaccination as a whole ever becomes politicized wherein 50% of the population thinks that being smallpox-free is a lib hoax to deny us our freedoms, then we're in severe trouble. I realize that the CDC and NHS developed a severe credibility deficit during Covid. That shouldn't eradicate a century's worth of progress in eliminating highly infectious and deadly diseases. I rather like seeing my children all live past the age of 5, even if one of them ends up becoming good with numbers.
Forwyn rank	Tue Nov 25 01:00:15 Perfectly rational take. I just think that it: a) Overhypes the issue - Amish and homesteaders are statistically irrelevant, and aren't the type to public school anyway. The millions of southern unvaccinated guests are a much bigger problem. b) Justifiably reinforces the paranoia; if it's not strictly true, and we know it isn't, but we're using a gray truth to goad the masses into compliance, we succeed in the short term but lose in the long-term, as skeptics gain traction. c) Ostracizes autism caregivers; Rain Man is cute, an aggressive adolescent shitting his diapers and groping his para is not. It can be a cataclysmic condition with no hope of normalcy. We should seek its cause(s) in earnest, even if the truth could have negative outcomes. And if we find that X vaccine given at Y age increases chances (along with fifteen other environmental pollutants introduced in the last couple decades), a high-trust society would simply...pursue a new formulation. It doesn't mean we abandon vaccines.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Nov 25 03:54:10 ”Evidence about the side effects of 'normal' childhood vaccines is sorely lacking.” Wrong.
Average Ameriacn rank	Tue Nov 25 12:53:21 But they shouldn't be suspicious of the Trump vaccine, it doesn't cause any harm like the other vaccines.
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 04:12:33 I think "it hasn't been proven with absolute certainty that these two things are completely and totally unrelated" is a ridiculous standard, one that we do not generally see applied anywhere. Why are we using a different logical standard for autism and vaccines than we use for everything else? "Scientific studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines contribute to the development of autism" [...] "The rise in autism prevalence since the 1980s correlates with the rise in the number of vaccines given to infants." Scientific studies have not ruled out the possibility that coin-operated video game machines contribute to the prevalence of AIDS. The rise, and fall, of coin-operated video games from the 1970s to today correlates with the rise, and fall, of AIDS.
Pillz rank	Fri Nov 28 04:23:35 ....? Really? That's the dumbest fucking thing said since wtbs last post
Cherub Cow rank	Fri Dec 05 20:28:26 [Pillz]: "That's the dumbest fucking thing said since wtbs last post" Yeah, earthfag is retarded. He got some credit here about a decade ago for being a less-retarded sebgul, but now that he's incredibly low-information he has revealed that his "intelligence" hinged upon what was available on the Reddit front page.. hence.. he's only actually as "smart" as Redditor-Duckfag. .. And this is yet another good step by the admin. RFK has explained this previously in terms of regulatory capture and the vaccine schedule. People who defend absurd quantities of vaccines usually hinge their arguments on important vaccines such as Smallpox in the same way that modern leftists defending unions will talk about the 8-hour work day (established in 1937). It's a dated argument. Whereas, in the same way that BigPharma has a financial incentive in pushing a one-size-fits-all anti-vaccine such as COVID, BigPharma has a tremendous incentive in getting onto the vaccine schedule without justification. This means that all those childhood vaccines that liars will assure people are keeping people from getting polio (even when the vaccines are *not* just for polio — that same leftist-unionist lie/fallacy of composition) are actually just a way for BigPharma companies to have a consistent revenue source. In other words, these companies know that if they invest billions into getting onto the vaccine schedule, then they're forcing parents to consume their product, boosting their market positions through a forced consumer-base. They did this same exact thing with COVID, trying to get *their* products mandated even when there existed dozens of better products which required no such mandate (recall that it was mainly Moderna and Pfizer which were accepted as "proof of vaccination" — if you haven't heard of the non-mRNA vaccines that were available, good job, you're an agitprop victim). "Herd immunity" was just a lie that was sold to the public by conformist-manipulators to push past the disgust reaction for this malevolent financial imperative — and in its very name it appealed to these pathetic conformists ("[Be part of the herd, losers!]"). And this need be no "conspiracy theory", as the conformists call it. This was obvious via the incentives *not* used, such as that there could be a financial *de*-incentive for abuses such as nationalizing production of any scheduled vaccine so that companies would have no incentive to force themselves onto the schedule. Hilariously, Russia did this with their COVID shot, and the subverted leftists in Western governance positions responded by sanctioning Russian vaccine producers, further ensuring that Pfizer, Moderna, and corrupt Western politicians could force "vaccines" for profit. In other words, if you want to dogmatically defend the vaccine schedule and not just be a pathetic conformist, you've got to dogmatically defend hanging by the neck until dead any BigPharma rep, CEO, or government affiliate if they are found to have pushed their product onto the public to generate profit under the cynical terms of regulatory capture. If you oppose RFK pushing back against the vaccine schedule, then you should be pushing to have Fauci, (((Rochelle Walensky))), (((Albert Bourla))), Joe Biden, Stéphane Bancel, and Leana Wen hanged by the neck until dead. You cannot reasonably presume that the vaccine schedule was somehow "sacred" when the cost of violating it was not death.
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