Utopia Talk / Politics / National Guardsmen Shot in DC

Dukhat rank	Thu Nov 27 04:38:12 Bullet Casings were covered in Crayon that said "Antifa is TEH best" and "Trans Ideology Are Gooder"
Pillz rank	Thu Nov 27 06:36:58 I guess when democrats show them the nation is lawless, they act on it Just going to make the situation worse for leftists
Sam Adams rank	Thu Nov 27 07:11:02 One of cuckhats migrants shouting allah ackbar.
Forwyn rank	Thu Nov 27 08:02:14 Two National Guard troops from West Virginia were in critical condition after a 29-year-old man from Afghanistan shot them, according to officials. The man, who was also injured, entered the United States in 2021 under a Biden-era immigration program for Afghans leaving their country after the government fell to the Taliban. http://www.../us/national-guard-shooting-dc
Paramount rank	Thu Nov 27 09:15:16 ”an act of terror” How can it be an act of terror when he attacked the military? He didn’t attack any unarmed toddlers and women.
Dukhat rank	Thu Nov 27 09:40:19 Probably another Trump false flag. Pay one goober to commit a terrorist attack so he has a justification to send the national guard into every city. Just like his fake assassination attempt where we never heard about the shooter ever again.
Seb rank	Thu Nov 27 18:11:34 So a guy that worked with the CIA that then had to flee his homeland when Trump sold the Afghani's out to the Taliban, and then spent years being denigrated by the MAGAs, before Trump comes back in and starts a broad based crackdown threatening to deport immigrants cracked and decided to shoot some of the soldiers Trump illegally sent to intimidate his opponents and ethnic minorities? I can't really understand why that would have happened at all...
Sam Adams rank	Thu Nov 27 18:18:41 Ahhh seb is victim blaming again I see.
Pillz rank	Thu Nov 27 19:05:28 At least 1 of sebs' wife's sons is gonna grow up to be an islamist martyr
Rugian rank	Thu Nov 27 20:02:01 "some of the soldiers Trump illegally sent to intimidate his opponents and ethnic minorities?" I realize that you and the true have a tenuous relationship even on the best of days, but: 1) Trump's deployment of the National Guard to DC is almost certainly legal, regardless of what a random (Biden-appointed) judge says. DC is federal territory and it's a well-established precedent that the federal government has broad powers in governing it. 2) DC is famous for having a serious crime problem, including murder and other violent crime as well as homelessness. You don't care about that though because you're an affluent white liberal who isn't personally affected by all of those problems, so you can afford to soapbox about how we need to have more compassionate policing and claim that Trump is somehow "racist" for wanting law and order.
Pillz rank	Thu Nov 27 20:33:36 Seb should be raging against the white appropriation of laws by the evil white european imperialists, but he benefits from that injustice
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 01:56:33 @SA: "Ahhh seb is victim blaming again I see." Multiple things can be true at once. - Those national guardsmen shouldn't have been there to begin with. - We shouldn't be deporting Afghanis who fought by our side as a policy goal. That's an unconscionable betrayal of the highest order. - The combat veteran with PTSD, who isn't eligible for VA benefits such as mental health care, etc, who happens to have been born in Afghanistan, shouldn't have shot those troops. @Rugian: "DC is famous for having a serious crime problem, including murder and other violent crime as well as homelessness. You don't [bla bla bla]" Violent crime in DC hit a 25 year low right before Trump was sworn in. http://www...lent-crime-dc-hits-30-year-low A very typically authoritarian move is to create problem where one doesn't exist and then claim to provide the solution to the artificially and intentionally created problem. That's all we are seeing here.
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 28 02:08:23 Earthpig I liked you better when you weren't unquestionably swallowing MSM talking points. Year Number of Homicides 2024 187 2023 274 2022 203 2021 226 2020 198 2019 166 2018 160 2017 116 2016 135 2015 162
murder rank	Fri Nov 28 02:11:49 Officials criticize Biden vetting, but Afghan shooting suspect was granted asylum under Trump https://ww...was-granted-asylum-2025-11-27/
murder rank	Fri Nov 28 02:13:17 "... MSM talking points." That's from the DOJ. -
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 28 02:17:09 His talking point is from the MSM which selectively ran with a DOJ press release in order to claim that DC's crime problem was somehow fictional.
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 02:31:29 Homicide is a subset of violent crimes. It actually does like they fudged it. Throwing out COVID is reasonable, but I don't know why you'd throw out 2017. 2000 8,622 2001 9,414 2002 9,320 2003 9,060 2004 7,591 2005 8,032 2006 8,770 2007 8,323 2008 8,510 2009 8,089 2010 8,026 2011 7,433 2012 7,867 2013 8,418 2014 8,200 2015 8,539 2016 8,239 2017 6,975 2018 6,995 2019 7,403 2020 7,127 2021 2,886 2022 5,492 2023 7,850 2024 7,105
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 02:33:37 "His talking point is from the MSM which selectively ran with a DOJ press release in order to claim that DC's crime problem was somehow fictional." Your narrative is fictional. I'm not sure what "MSM" story or article you are referring to. Often unfounded accusations are confessions, however. What was the main story on Fox News today?
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 02:38:10 Always worth a reminder that Fox News is in fact the most viewed news network, the king of "MSM." Holy shit, the Fox News 5 pm show has **SEVEN TIMES** the viewership of CNN's 5 pm show. This statistic cuts off at 54 years old; I suspect that it would likely be significantly higher if all the boomers were included. http://www...arter-2025-cable-news-ratings/
obaminated rank	Fri Nov 28 03:33:00 Ep actually arguing that dc is a safe city. To hell with the people murdered yesterdayl
earthpig rank	Fri Nov 28 03:46:15 Obaminated making a straw man argument. Shocker.
Seb rank	Fri Nov 28 16:05:03 Sam: Trump was shot? I thought it was these two guardsman. Or are you saying that despite them getting shot, Trump is the true, real victim here?
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 28 17:04:04 EP It is you who is pushing a fantasy. I naturally assumed that you're getting your opinions from the MSM because it's the MSM that's been pushing the "zomg DC crime is at a 30 year low!!!!!!!" narrative in order to argue that Trump's policing efforts are unnecessary. In doing so, they have selectively focused on the headline finding of that one report to push the ridiculous narrative that things in DC are just fine and dandy and you can only be racist for pointing out otherwise. This narrative is obviously untrue, and it can only be found in MSM reporting. Hence why I am confident that you picked it up from there. http://new...ow&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen I, in contrast, merely relayed the consensus opinion of anyone who has even a passing familiarity with DC - that it has a major crime and homelessness problem. I didn't need Fox News to feed me that opinion, like the MSM fed you yours. I don't even watch Fox News. I don't visit the Fox News website, or click on any of their online videos. I barely read their articles even before they put them behind a membership wall, and now I don't read them at all. Bottom line EP, one of us is trapped in a bubble on this issue...and I'm entirely comfortable in saying that it's not me.
murder rank	Fri Nov 28 18:24:53 EP is trapped in a data bubble. -
Pillz rank	Fri Nov 28 18:36:29 Reading EP's posts is trolling yourself at this point
Forwyn rank	Fri Nov 28 20:23:02 "Ohhhhhhh nooooooooo not unarmed 20-year old girls picking up trash, crime isn't at record levels, you can't be upset at the status quo if it has become a statistical norm. Oh also racism" -ep/Seb
Dukhat rank	Fri Nov 28 20:24:11 "obviously untrue" Can't find any fucking real data that supports your assertion at all. Lines up with right-wing retards thinking they're always right when, at best, they're looking at out-of-context data
Pillz rank	Fri Nov 28 20:42:28 '"... you can't be upset at the status quo if it has become a statistical norm. Oh also racism" -ep/Seb' Sums up their positions nicely yes
Paramount rank	Fri Nov 28 21:22:12 So the shooter was trained by the CIA and was radicalized in the USA.
Rugian rank	Fri Nov 28 22:02:46 Earthpig really is giving off those West Coast "you shouldn't be outraged by having your car broken into or finding used needles in front of your home, it's just a normal part of life" vibes.
murder rank	Sat Nov 29 02:49:58 As opposed to school shootings? -
Pillz rank	Sat Nov 29 03:13:05 The illness is real
Seb rank	Sat Nov 29 14:52:07 "Becoming upset at the status quo" is a lovely euphemism for normalising sending in the military to do a civilian function.
Seb rank	Sat Nov 29 14:52:10 "Becoming upset at the status quo" is a lovely euphemism for normalising sending in the military to do a civilian function.
Forwyn rank	Sat Nov 29 18:06:26 "It's the military! It's the military!" Seb screamed, as a man with a simple revolver gunned down two unarmed members. "It's a civilian function!" Seb screamed, as judges repeatedly violent dregs after months or years, but homeowners who shoot burglars, and Pennys and Rittenhouses face decades. Fuck your system, and your selective outrage.
Forwyn rank	Sat Nov 29 18:06:56 repeatedly release*
Forwyn rank	Sat Nov 29 18:36:30 Unarmed victim btw: 'She was like, “People spit towards us, cuss at us, throw things at us, and we can’t do nothing.” She couldn’t detain nobody. She couldn’t stop them from doing wrong. It was— they told them to call the cops. She wanted to make the difference. She wanted to extremely. She was happy with it. And she just was also like, “Why am I here if I can’t do nothing? Where they limited them so much.” She’s like, “It’s pointless.” She’s like, “I get why we’re here. Crime is bad, but it’s pointless if we can’t do anything.”'
Pillz rank	Sat Nov 29 18:38:49 Rofl seb wants more murders rapes and drugs because fixing it is wrong
murder rank	Sat Nov 29 19:48:50 Guys it's OK ... the Guardsmen were from West Virginia.
Seb rank	Sun Nov 30 00:08:59 Forwyn: And the question you should ask is "why was she there"? I'm definitely not suggesting that she of her colleague were legitimate targets. You are missing the point entirely. You have a govt and a movement that is constantly sowing division and amping up tension. And you yourself are part of that dynamic. Of course shit like this happens. You tell people there's a "war" against crime, crime caused by "ethnics", you decide to show you are serious by sending the literal army in. You start grabbing people and deporting them to board kafka-esque prisons in other countries... keep turning up the dial, building the pressure, ramping up the rhetoric, increasing the theatre and drama... yeah people are going to get shot and killed. You treat governance with the casual irresponsibility of a child playing video games. So don't come at me with your faux hysterical bullshit. If you were a real adult you'd have recognised the dangers in all of this a long time ago.
Pillz rank	Sun Nov 30 00:11:52 Jesus Christ seb how are you so consistently and absolutely wrong about everything you say
Rugian rank	Sun Nov 30 00:35:26 "You have a govt and a movement that is constantly sowing division and amping up tension." Your. Police. Arrest. People. For. Facebook. Posts. How dare you think you're in a position to judgd us Seb? Seb, you should be forbidden from posting in this thread until you can at least answer one simple question. Do you think DC has a crime problem? Clearly you don't, since you have repeatedly accused those who have pointed it out of being racists. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Rugian rank	Sun Nov 30 00:41:27 Fun fact: On a per capita basis, DC over the last three years has averaged a murder rate of 1 per 3,173 people. During that same period, NYC averaged a murder rate of 1 per 21,090 people. DC has almost seven times the number of homicides of New York when adjusting for population...but it has no crime problem. ROFLMAO
Rugian rank	Sun Nov 30 00:42:27 "It's racist to say that black people shouldn't be dying so much from gang violence!" - Seb, EP, and all the other leftists on this board Holy shit.
Forwyn rank	Sun Nov 30 07:14:38 "And the question you should ask is "why was she there"?" As a weak stopgap and deterrent, and publicity stunt. "You have a govt and a movement that is constantly sowing division and amping up tension." You have a media and a movement that is constantly sowing division and amping up tension and declaring resistance, to actively confront members of the opposition in public. "You tell people there's a "war" against crime" There isn't. There should be. 0.5% of the population causes the majority of societal ills. "crime caused by "ethnics" Statistically, largely. But if criminal justice is enforced blindly and fairly, no targeting is required. Simply ignore Sebs and Sebwives when they whine that "ethnics" are the ones being picked up. "You start grabbing people and deporting them" Yes. That is the proper response to illegal immigration. "to board kafka-esque prisons in other countries..." The direct result of Seb's judges intervening at every junction. "keep turning up the dial, building the pressure, ramping up the rhetoric, increasing the theatre and drama... yeah people are going to get shot and killed." Indeed. Consult BBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc. "faux hysterical bullshit" Hilarious, coming from the side of Michael Brown, George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny, etc etc etc. Your ilk have been selectively ignoring feral violence for years. A grandpa gets killed by the knockout game, gets run over cycling, gets mob ambushed, total silence...one of them dies or even gets slight pushback, even someone cussing into a phone, punching back...wall to wall coverage. Please don't pretend to be the voice of reason here when you're simultaneously screaming racism and complaining about unarmed 20-year old girls because they're wearing camo. lmao
Seb rank	Sun Nov 30 15:46:18 Forwyn: "You have a media and a movement" that is reacting to your government in exactly the way that the govt wants. It's the faction you aligned with that decided the best way to govern the country is to adopt policies to elicit "pwn the libs" and drink "sweet liberal tears". What did you think would happen? That you'd just get to bask in the wails and lamentations of your defeated enemies?
Forwyn rank	Mon Dec 01 19:05:04 That would be fine and dandy, if we pretended this started in 2025, and not in 2016 before the dude even took office lol Last paragraph is an accurate summation after the rabid media suddenly playing softball and defense again, the #resistance hibernating, and a Biden DoJ gleefully pursuing every previous official.
Forwyn rank	Mon Dec 01 19:05:58 Even 2016 is a disservice, we're old enough to remember Bush as a Nazi and Satan, and Obama entering office with a Nobel
Pillz rank	Mon Dec 01 20:36:53 You're talking to a someone with the same intelligence as a slug
Dukhat rank	Mon Dec 01 21:24:46 It's amazing how some mediocre white people will believe anything and then repeat it at ad nauseum.
Pillz rank	Mon Dec 01 21:27:11 Yeah you and seb are disgraceful
murder rank	Mon Dec 01 21:46:25 "we're old enough to remember Bush as a Nazi and Satan" Not as portrayed in the corporate media you don't. And as much as the left hates Bush, the right hates him more for being pro-immigrant. "... and Obama entering office with a Nobel" That has nothing to do with the US corporate media. They don't hand out the Noble Peace Prize. -
Pillz rank	Mon Dec 01 21:52:34 murders brain is a pretzel
obaminated rank	Mon Dec 01 22:12:09 Murder actually claiming corporate media sans fox didnt schill for their messiah is wild.
Forwyn rank	Tue Dec 02 01:58:08 "Not as portrayed in the corporate media you don't." Wall to wall coverage of Katrina and Abu Ghraib would like a word. Daily tickers of total Iraq casualties on media chyrons are calling. "That has nothing to do with the US corporate media." The Nobel Committee is a group of politicians. "Nothing to do with" is a stretch.
Dukhat rank	Tue Dec 02 09:31:03 A lot like Trump. When proven wrong, just fall back to the greatest hits of blaming the media or the same fucking tired talking points.
Forwyn rank	Tue Dec 02 16:37:18 Cuckhat, Seb, and others think that radicalization can only happen from Facebook memes published by Russian bot farms. MSM would never do that, it is totally irrelevant. Do not ever try to connect dots, every institution is totally independent, even if they share finances and dine together and have emails showing collaboration.
Seb rank	Tue Dec 02 23:12:48 Forwyn: Democrats never decided to make their entire rationale in govt to try and inflict punishment on those they associated as republican.
Pillz rank	Tue Dec 02 23:24:43 Roflmao Seb's committed to the bit
murder rank	Wed Dec 03 00:03:47 "Wall to wall coverage of Katrina and Abu Ghraib would like a word." Those were kind of big stories, don't you think? You'll have to forgive the corporate media ... since there was no blow job or debate gaff to beat into the ground. "The Nobel Committee is a group of politicians. "Nothing to do with" is a stretch." The US corporate media doesn't determine the winner of that prize. -
Sam Adams rank	Wed Dec 03 17:43:48 http://x.com/zarrar_11PK/status/1996101544497086756?s=20 Another muslim migrant arrested for mass shooting preparation. ”Democrats never decided to make their entire rationale in govt to try and inflict punishment on those they associated as republican.” Lol retarded. 2020 cancel spree? Obama irs targeting? Why do you lie so blatantly seb.
murder rank	Wed Dec 03 20:49:01 "Another muslim migrant arrested for mass shooting preparation." And obaminated says they aren't assimilating. :o) -
Seb rank	Thu Dec 04 01:53:02 Oh yes, people en mass deciding they don't want to fucking watch a comedian who wanked off in front of a female staff member is totally the same as imposing armed military patrols on civil populations that don't want it. It's completely the same as arresting minorites "because they look like a migrant". You guys have totally cooked yourselves. I mean you are talking about Katrina - an actual objective massive fuck up; and Abu Graihb, and actual fucking war crime - and compare that to e.g. the whole Monika Lewinsky thing where the basic gist is the president ... had an affair. Republicans have been having an ever escalating temper tantrum ever since Nixon; exaggerating eveb the most basic accountability or application of the law as some massive injustice, and then using that to justify ever fucking bigger injustices committed in increasingly bad faith, to the point you've elected Donald fucking Trump twice... and you you've driven yourself so utterly insane you genuinely believe your own bullshit.
Forwyn rank	Thu Dec 04 19:26:46 Compare media response of Helene to Katrina. Compare media response of Abu Graihb to Libya and Syria. If your only comparison is 90's lunacy from our childhoods, you haven't been paying attention.
Forwyn rank	Thu Dec 04 19:27:30 "arresting minorites "because they look like a migrant"." Ignore, of course, that there are 10+ million brown illegals. Ignore what is in front of your faces, bigot!
Dukhat rank	Thu Dec 04 19:32:54 Foreskin descending into Cherub Cow madness. Constantly moving the goalposts to shit that doesn't matter or is incredibly subjective full of anecdotes from fake news plastered across social media because of the algorithm. Fucking idiot.
Pillz rank	Thu Dec 04 19:42:35 I'd always suspected that Cuckhats issue with CC's posts was just that he can't read anything longer than a tweet. But forwyns posts are not much longer than a tweet a lot of the time. So maybe he just can't really read.
murder rank	Thu Dec 04 22:58:25 "Compare media response of Helene to Katrina." It's odd that the media would focus on a hurricane that results in > 1200 deaths, the loss of tens of thousands of homes, and the flooding of a major American city. *eye-roll*
Forwyn rank	Fri Dec 05 00:04:20 Indeed, the administration should have diverted the hurricane to a rural area. *lobotomy*
murder rank	Fri Dec 05 02:01:49 While they are at it, maybe they can relocate that goalpost you just moved. -
Forwyn rank	Fri Dec 05 05:36:55 I'm not sure you understand the concept of moving goalposts. Media coverage of poor response was objectively entirely different, down to the presidential visits.
murder rank	Fri Dec 05 13:16:20 We're back to talking about the media coverage? Cool! Of course the coverage of the poor response was entirely different. The scale and concentration of the devastation was entirely different. There were several times more deaths in New Orleans alone during Katrina than there were in the entire state of North Carolina (by far the hardest hit state) during Helene. A bunch of levees gave way and a large chunk of a major US city was submerged while dead bodies were being fished out of the water. Many more people were in need of government aid. You desperately want to make this about shit it wasn't about, but you picked a horrible example. -
Forwyn rank	Fri Dec 05 19:43:29 And yet, they still fumbled in 2024. After the unprecedented surge in Katrina, FEMA etc. made massive overhauls to prevent such a reoccurrence. The media didn't harp on this at all. Instead, they praised Biden's appearance (this is a 180°) and spent significant time playing defense for the admin against online conspiracy theories. If John Kerry fumbled Katrina, it wouldn't be because he hated black people.
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