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Habebe rank	Sun Apr 12 17:25:00 https://ww...ompared-luigi-mangi-rcna273704 I'm reminded of the Arab (Saudi?) Who spoke of more extremism coming from the west when people feel less oppurtunity.
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 17:49:49 Hang him. Expedited trial, no appeals. Piece of shit.
Seb rank	Sun Apr 12 18:12:47 Doesn't sound like he's against capitalism so much as rampant exploitation. Remind me, what happened in Boston December 1773?
murder rank	Sun Apr 12 18:14:46 Chamel Abdulkarim Sounds like more extremism coming from the east. -
murder rank	Sun Apr 12 18:19:48 "All you had to do was pay us enough to live. Pay us more of the value WE bring. Not corporate. Didn’t see the shareholders picking up a shift." He's not wrong. -
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 18:24:09 "Remind me, what happened in Boston December 1773?" The British government got a bit too cute with its attempts to coax the colonials into paying taxes imposed from London by forcing them to buy EIC tea, and so said tea got thrown into the harbor. In response, Parliament ordered the Port of Boston be shut down, dissolved the Massachusetts provincial government, sent a military general backed with Army troops to impose martial law, and effectively gave British officials carte blanche to commit abuses against the local citizenry by taking away the colony's ability to try them for crimes committed. Then the Army tried to seize our weappns. So we justifiably started shooting redcoats and declared our independence. Fuck the King. What does that have to do with the burning of a warehouse though?
Habebe rank	Sun Apr 12 18:30:10 The current US job market is absolutely exploitative.
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 18:46:08 Sure. And let's stipulate that being a warehouse worker kind of sucks, and while the pay is decent (as far as blue-collar work goes) it's crumbs compared to what the companies are making. None of that justifies the destruction of $650,000,000 worth of property.
Habebe rank	Sun Apr 12 18:47:14 Not condoning behaviour and understanding the frustration that led to it can both be done.
murder rank	Sun Apr 12 18:50:43 "None of that justifies the destruction of $650,000,000 worth of property." Obviously. Especially since it put lives at risk. -
murder rank	Sun Apr 12 18:52:23 "What does that have to do with the burning of a warehouse though?" I think Seb's point is that when people feel that they are being exploited, they tend to act out. -
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 18:57:52 Not similar circumstances. The British government tried to arbitrarily change the working relationship with its colonies that had been in place for almost 200 years. This guy was butthurt because he thought his pay was not commensurate with his labor One of those situations could have been resolved by the guy finding another job. The other could only be resolved by having Mel Gibson axe some motherfucking lobsterbacks.
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 19:04:46 Seb is also mischaracterizing the Boston Tea Party and who made the disproportionate action in that event. The Americans dumped some tea in a harbor. The British had a meltdown and all but forced the Americans into war by going straight to Defcon 1 with their response. One of the biggest fails in modern history. Don't piss off your uncontrollable colonies by shitting all over them.
Forwyn rank	Sun Apr 12 20:34:29 Dude was getting paid almost $30/hr and, according to his co-workers, couldn't be bothered to show up on time or work hard. Not all lazy pieces of shit are leftists, but every leftist is a lazy piece of shit. This one is also an invader. Bullet.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Apr 12 20:53:22 Seems like a giant building full of paper should have better firefighting.
Rugian rank	Sun Apr 12 21:05:07 That's what I was thinking. 2020-vintage institutional-grade building buit by reputable industrial developers (REDA and Clarion) with modern ESFR fire sprinklers... ...something went seriously wrong here with the FLS system.
Seb rank	Sun Apr 12 21:56:03 Rugian: Ah, but being taxed does? "The British had a meltdown and all but forced the Americans into war by going straight to Defcon 1 with their response." You called for the guy to get hanged. Murder: I was pointing out violent property destruction as a form of protest is literally part of your founding and celebrated as such. Rugian: "something went seriously wrong here with the FLS system" You think maybe the company that doesn't pay its staff a living wage might also have skimped on investing in other stuff too?
Habebe rank	Sun Apr 12 22:00:12 I would think we have building code regulations, you don't always have much of a choice in that stuff if you wish to stay in business.
Forwyn rank	Sun Apr 12 22:18:02 "doesn't pay its staff a living wage" lmao low-info Seb
Sam Adams rank	Mon Apr 13 01:44:54 His wage was considerably higher than the average wage in the the UK. Lol
Habebe rank	Mon Apr 13 02:21:10 For Cali, IDK if that's great though.
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 09:05:23 Sabotage literally means to clog the machinery (as in wooden shoe to jam production). Sabot is a clog in French. A rational corporate system would incorporate sabotage into its payments. How much do we actually have to pay workers to keep them from breaking stuff? Right now, corporate obviously does not have to pay enough. So sabotage actions help foster a new equilibrium.
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 09:09:11 So yah, an illegal industrial action. Not terrorism or anything like it. 540 million is like nothing. Trump runs interdiction against corporate America all the time with billion dollar threats. Corporate pays of Trump. At some point, it should consider paying off workers with living wages. Living wages made the US the greatest country on the planet. Unlivable wages took that away. So get the corporate cock out of you mouths and get a grip.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Apr 13 15:13:54 Nietzsche says that the reason rulers in the past also joined battles in wars was because they knew they had to prove to the citizenry that they deserved their elevated position and priviliges, else they'd lose them to a peasant revolt. He said one of the dangers of capitalism was that it would allow the mediocre to gain great power, and the common man realizing that these new leaders, the Elons, the Trumps, werent any more deserving or better than them. And that would lead to the absence of loyalty or respect for these new rulers, and eventually they would instead revolt against this new form of society.
Forwyn rank	Mon Apr 13 17:04:56 Yes, it gives the mediocre with Dunning-Kruger the delusional idea that they are exactly the same as as an individual that is objectively better than them in every conceivable metric, and lash out destructively at the society that allowed them to live better than said rulers in the past
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 17:56:04 Forwyn I think you are conflating circumstance with inherent value. I doubt Trump could be employed as a Walmart greeter if circumstances dictated he must do that. Musk of course is obviously unemployable.
Forwyn rank	Mon Apr 13 17:58:12 With 1,000 iterations of these three, born in a poor family: - Elon is successful in most iterations - Trump is a loser in most iterations - Chamel Abdulkarim is a loser in 100% of iterations
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 18:01:45 Industrial actions are to be expected, though there are odd cultural elements "going postal" over grievances instead of property or production line disruption. I suppose those are still the norm given that severance often involves security escorts and locking people out of systems to avoid disruption. Severance here involves working through the 6 month severance period, then having a going away party.
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 18:03:44 Yes, people from poor families often have great outcomes for children obviously deep in Asberger territory. Like, there are so many examples of success stories of that type.
Forwyn rank	Mon Apr 13 18:07:06 What mental designation would you assign to Chamel Abdulkarim?
jergul rank	Mon Apr 13 18:52:35 I have no idea. Who cares?
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