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Seb
rank Mon May 11 10:56:20
http://www...hread=96031&time=1778486513151

Continuing from here in relation to this post from Sam:

https://x.com/SaP011/status/2052416481543999737?s=20

The Daily Mail headline:

Iranian man who raped his lodger 'can't be deported in case he is persecuted in his homeland for being convicted racist'

- The UK doesn't deport or extradite people if there face death penalty or torture in their home countries

- Iran is unlikely to punish the man for a crime committed in the UK, so the tribunal is not concerned about him being persecuted in Iran for committing rape in the UK.

So how can these three facts be reconciled?

Hints:
1. Daily mail headlines often mislead by omission
2. Note the inverted commas in the headline, what do they mean?

Solution to be published tomorrow after 8am UK time.

Let's see if NaMBLA and Forwyn can achieve primary school level critical thinking.

williamthebastard
rank Mon May 11 11:10:47
But you know they cant. I promise they will not back down a single second more than Trump when he knows he's wrong, even if you post a million threads on the subject. I promise you that the more you prove them wrong, the more they will refuse to back down, until their dying breath.

Sam Adams
rank Mon May 11 11:57:09
This is going to be exceptionally retarded even by seb standards.

Lol.

Seb
rank Mon May 11 11:57:31
WtB oh I know.

Seb
rank Mon May 11 11:58:30
Sam:

Nope, it's incredibly simple and you are very dumb to be tricked by a clickbait headline again and again.

Sam Adams
rank Mon May 11 16:44:21
The daily mail headline almost certainly is closer to the truth than whatever babbling bullshit you come up with. History has proven them far more reliable than you(which obviously isn't saying much).

Keep in mind you yourself made an impossible set of statements that are mutually contradictory, regardless of the veracity of the original report.

williamthebastard
rank Mon May 11 17:01:23
"d you are very dumb to be tricked by a clickbait headline again and again."

Its not about intelligence really, any more than religion is. You can find perfectly intelligent people that believe the most insane religios stuff. Its about Csam only reading stuff by people who say what he emotionally wants to hear, all logic be completely damned. One of the reasons they refuse all serious debate. Their raging emotions shut down all rational considerations.

Forwyn
rank Mon May 11 17:18:56
Seb: ""we don't deport people if they will face death penalty."

Forwyn: "Wow that's retarded"

Seb: "They wouldn't face the death penalty you need to learn to read reeeeeee"

Forwyn: "Okay retard which is it"

Seb: "It's both!"

Mmk

Seb
rank Mon May 11 17:31:58
Forwyn:

Not at all surprising you cannot read a headline when you cannot even follow your own posts correctly.

Your suggestion was an immigrant could commit a crime in the UK that would result in a death penalty at home in order to avoid deportation.

It is true the we won't deport people to face the death penalty, or torture.

It is also true that in this case, or any other I can think of, there was no concern he would face death penalty or persecution in Iran for this or any other UK crime.

It is also true that the tribunal ruling did uphold his appeal, and the reasons for doing so involved risk of persecution in Iran.

How can both of these be true, asks Forwyn? The answer is simple!

All will be revealed tomorrow.

Forwyn
rank Mon May 11 18:11:16
The following two comments were made before I ever interjected:

jergul
rank Fri May 08 11:08:46
In his country, he would be executed sammy.

Seb
rank Fri May 08 22:11:28
We don't support death penalty and we don't deport people if they will face death penalty.

But thank you for agreeing with me on the point of substance.

Seb
rank Mon May 11 18:47:50
Forwyn:

Indeed, we don't support death penalty and don't deport people if they will face it or persecution.

And yes, he does risk execution in his country if deported.

What's the issue?

As for the point of substance: yes, it would be stupid if people could avoid deportation by committing a crime in the UK; but precisely two people are suggesting that, none of them in this conversation, and everyone else agrees that are wrong, and that can be understood instantly by reading the headline so I'm afraid there's no way of pretending the substantive issue is anything other than you and NaMBLA's illiteracy.

Seb
rank Mon May 11 18:50:31
Especially as you and NaMBLA fall for this "one weird headline-writer's trick" every fucking time going on now for at least a decade.

I think you just have to face you are very stupid.

Forwyn
rank Mon May 11 18:53:13
"What's the issue?"

Agreed, what is the issue?

You agree with the fact, the hypothetical is in line with the fact, there is no issue.

Unless it's that your eXpErTs say it can't happen, even though it's happening here. If that's the case, continue being retarded at your leisure.

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Seb rank	Mon May 11 10:56:20 http://www...hread=96031&time=1778486513151 Continuing from here in relation to this post from Sam: https://x.com/SaP011/status/2052416481543999737?s=20 The Daily Mail headline: Iranian man who raped his lodger 'can't be deported in case he is persecuted in his homeland for being convicted racist' - The UK doesn't deport or extradite people if there face death penalty or torture in their home countries - Iran is unlikely to punish the man for a crime committed in the UK, so the tribunal is not concerned about him being persecuted in Iran for committing rape in the UK. So how can these three facts be reconciled? Hints: 1. Daily mail headlines often mislead by omission 2. Note the inverted commas in the headline, what do they mean? Solution to be published tomorrow after 8am UK time. Let's see if NaMBLA and Forwyn can achieve primary school level critical thinking.
williamthebastard rank	Mon May 11 11:10:47 But you know they cant. I promise they will not back down a single second more than Trump when he knows he's wrong, even if you post a million threads on the subject. I promise you that the more you prove them wrong, the more they will refuse to back down, until their dying breath.
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 11 11:57:09 This is going to be exceptionally retarded even by seb standards. Lol.
Seb rank	Mon May 11 11:57:31 WtB oh I know.
Seb rank	Mon May 11 11:58:30 Sam: Nope, it's incredibly simple and you are very dumb to be tricked by a clickbait headline again and again.
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 11 16:44:21 The daily mail headline almost certainly is closer to the truth than whatever babbling bullshit you come up with. History has proven them far more reliable than you(which obviously isn't saying much). Keep in mind you yourself made an impossible set of statements that are mutually contradictory, regardless of the veracity of the original report.
williamthebastard rank	Mon May 11 17:01:23 "d you are very dumb to be tricked by a clickbait headline again and again." Its not about intelligence really, any more than religion is. You can find perfectly intelligent people that believe the most insane religios stuff. Its about Csam only reading stuff by people who say what he emotionally wants to hear, all logic be completely damned. One of the reasons they refuse all serious debate. Their raging emotions shut down all rational considerations.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 11 17:18:56 Seb: ""we don't deport people if they will face death penalty." Forwyn: "Wow that's retarded" Seb: "They wouldn't face the death penalty you need to learn to read reeeeeee" Forwyn: "Okay retard which is it" Seb: "It's both!" Mmk
Seb rank	Mon May 11 17:31:58 Forwyn: Not at all surprising you cannot read a headline when you cannot even follow your own posts correctly. Your suggestion was an immigrant could commit a crime in the UK that would result in a death penalty at home in order to avoid deportation. It is true the we won't deport people to face the death penalty, or torture. It is also true that in this case, or any other I can think of, there was no concern he would face death penalty or persecution in Iran for this or any other UK crime. It is also true that the tribunal ruling did uphold his appeal, and the reasons for doing so involved risk of persecution in Iran. How can both of these be true, asks Forwyn? The answer is simple! All will be revealed tomorrow.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 11 18:11:16 The following two comments were made before I ever interjected: jergul rank Fri May 08 11:08:46 In his country, he would be executed sammy. Seb rank Fri May 08 22:11:28 We don't support death penalty and we don't deport people if they will face death penalty. But thank you for agreeing with me on the point of substance.
Seb rank	Mon May 11 18:47:50 Forwyn: Indeed, we don't support death penalty and don't deport people if they will face it or persecution. And yes, he does risk execution in his country if deported. What's the issue? As for the point of substance: yes, it would be stupid if people could avoid deportation by committing a crime in the UK; but precisely two people are suggesting that, none of them in this conversation, and everyone else agrees that are wrong, and that can be understood instantly by reading the headline so I'm afraid there's no way of pretending the substantive issue is anything other than you and NaMBLA's illiteracy.
Seb rank	Mon May 11 18:50:31 Especially as you and NaMBLA fall for this "one weird headline-writer's trick" every fucking time going on now for at least a decade. I think you just have to face you are very stupid.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 11 18:53:13 "What's the issue?" Agreed, what is the issue? You agree with the fact, the hypothetical is in line with the fact, there is no issue. Unless it's that your eXpErTs say it can't happen, even though it's happening here. If that's the case, continue being retarded at your leisure.
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