Utopia Talk / Politics / The future of world powers

Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 02:59:53 Well, the US ain't what it was in 1990. No denying the rise of China as a major player. The EU forged out of neccesity to be a player on the world stage. Others.... China has absolutely taken the lead in raw manufacturing ability...they still have a brand though that isn't trusted for quality...falling behind in the space race, gaining influence, population shrinking and ageing RAPIDLY. US, still makes money, still leads in military, business and high end manufacturing, tech, Space, failing on infrastructure, many other metrics, sliding back towards dystopian robber barrons. EU-Nice place to live, has very little pull internationally, 2nd rate world power but still known for high quality manufacturing, food, high standards of living, good side kick on things like space and R&D
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 05 03:53:13 Ya pretty much. Russia India and brazil are worthless. Japan and Korea aged themselves into oblivion.
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 04:20:17 Sam, China may do that too, AI job replacement may dave them....idk
Im better then you rank	Fri Jun 05 05:06:09 Iran is quickly becoming a major power.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 05 07:47:58 What high end manufacture are you talking about that the US is leading in?
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 05 08:17:09 Rockets + satellites Airplanes - Europe can almost keep up. Weapons - by far Computer chips Medical devices Medicine - by far Oil equipment Things the US is tied for Cars - China will probably pull away soon Ships Robots- China may pull away Food and alcohol Things the US clearly does not have the lead in Solar panels 3d printers Batteries Consumer electronics Ski equipment Pretty much all low tech items... China dominates here.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 05 08:27:04 Here's a better question? What manufacturing does Europe lead in. Lol
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 08:43:03 lolol u folks is livin in mikeyland while bein high on copium it seems
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 08:56:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHWmRv0aNhc u is a inferior civilization. look at it. ur a frikkin 1950 civ lol gets on high speed rail, train station looks like space ship. hs rails affordable. super comfy and luxurious. calls a didi car. car arrives in 2 min. trip cost 50 cents or somethin. pays with palm of hand at convenience store rides public bike 4 20cents. simple use app. easy peasy u is livin in 1950 goes 2 big futuristic mall. orders food on app be4 arrivin. arrives and grabs da food waitin 4 them. affordable. same shit wuld have cost 20-25 bucks over here... orders anythin online from different stores. bought 2 air phones randomly. gets delivered 2 store where they drink in less than 20 min. fuckin hell, we is 90 year old granpa still thinkin it is 1950 walks around in streets. food everywhere. charges phone on random stone. yes stone. in da streets. get fuckin rekted goes back 2 hotel room, orders 2 noodles, icecream, side snacks, 2 more dishes. less than 10 bucks total. gets delivered 2 hotel room by robot. all 3 different stores delivered in unda 20 min. UNDA 20 MIN!!!! all while bein in da most futuristic most bling bling city in da world. and theres 30 more of these cities in china. ur god dayum 1950 black white tellie
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 09:15:16 u is ancient and is time u wake up from ur copiumslumba u been livin in denial livin in a dreamworld my neos u is not da main character, but u is a battery lol
jergul rank	Fri Jun 05 09:41:00 Aircraft correct Cars - China produces 3 times more cars Rockets and sats - correct Weapons - Handguns yes. The rest no. Not close. Medical devices - yes. Medicine - yes (not by far) Oil production equipment. Computer chips. Not even close. 15% max. We will have to talk about space toasters (starlink on degradable orbits) in a few years.
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 14:49:58 China produces more cars.... but it's missing nuance. There are good reasons why BYD is worth a fraction of Tesla. Pretty sure they still dont turn a profit on selling cars. Then we have the landwind...which epitomizes Chinese manufacturing....it looks good on the outside, but there are reasons it is so much cheaper than what it looks like.
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 14:50:04 Here's a comprehensive breakdown of where the US stands in chip manufacturing — its real advantages, structural weaknesses, and the strategic picture: Where the US genuinely dominates The US advantage isn't primarily in making chips — it's in designing them and controlling the tools others use to design them. Chip design & IP: American companies — Nvidia, AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, Intel — design the world's most advanced chips. US-based chip companies are shaping the roadmap for the next generation of computing, driven by decades of R&D investment and a strong startup ecosystem. (Cubefabs) EDA software (the design toolchain): This is arguably the most powerful chokepoint. Modern chips can fit tens of billions of transistors per square inch, and the software enabling designers to create those blueprints — Electronic Design Automation (EDA) — is dominated by three US-headquartered companies: Synopsys, Cadence, and Mentor Graphics/Siemens EDA. (Center for Strategic and International Studies) Over 70% of China's EDA market is controlled by US firms, built on decades of R&D — and Chinese alternatives lack the precision and scalability needed for advanced chips, giving US companies a multi-year lead. (Ainvest) Export controls as strategic leverage: US and allied companies have dominant control over the most advanced parts of the global chip supply chain, allowing export restrictions to potentially block Chinese companies from accessing critical goods — not just chips themselves, but equipment, machinery, and software required to produce them domestically. (Effective Altruism Forum) This played out in real time in 2025: when the US imposed EDA export restrictions in May 2025, China retaliated by tightening licensing on rare earth minerals, which it controls for over 90% of global processing capacity — forcing a reversal within six weeks. (Sourceability) Where the US is still catching up: physical manufacturing Despite billions invested to bring advanced semiconductor manufacturing onshore, the US still faces a major dependency on other countries for back-end packaging — the factories that turn processed silicon wafers into finished chips. (Harvard Business Review) A new fab in the US costs approximately 30% more to build and operate over 10 years than one in Taiwan, South Korea, or Singapore, and 37–50% more than one in China (Semiconductor Industry Association) — driven by labor costs, construction premiums, and scarce engineering talent. The TSMC Arizona fab is a landmark investment, but Silicon Valley has historically depended on Taiwan to supply roughly 90% of advanced chips, and national security experts have warned that a total loss of Taiwanese supply could cause an 11% plunge in US economic output. (Technetbook) The AI chip moment Deloitte estimates the AI chip market in 2026 will reach approximately $500 billion (Deloitte Insights) , driven upward sharply by AI demand. The US — led by Nvidia — is positioned to capture the bulk of that market through design dominance, but physical production still flows heavily through Taiwan. Bottom line: The US holds an almost unassailable lead in chip design, design software, and IP — the highest-margin, highest-leverage layers of the stack. Physical manufacturing is the vulnerability being addressed through the CHIPS Act and TSMC Arizona, but it'll take years and remains structurally more expensive than Asia. The real economic weapon is the EDA/software chokehold, which is why the US-China chip war keeps gravitating back to those tools.
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 14:56:26 ^anotha delusional fool byd is "worth less" than crapla coz ur markets is heavily ovavalued casino speculation in reality byd is worth many times more than crapla. Many. it sells more. it has betta cars. period. tesla is a dead company walkin but ur whole nation is livin in mikeycopiumland. so thats why tesla is priced so high. similarly 2 spacex...make no mistake. its a scam!
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 15:01:10 omh god these dumbass neos. i can only show u da door fools. u is da ones 2 have 2 walk through it. look at life in china. now look at life in u. china is closer 2 2155. u is closer to 1950. butbuutbuut u is "winnin"...lol winnin wut xactly. coz some conman told u, u is flyin his rockets 2 mars soon. meanwhile jonnie is waitin 20 years 4 dat shit. like how his little brother lonnie waited 4 da hypaloop mikey aint in texas no more!!! while chinese peasants pay 4 grocery items with there palms or face. sit in ultra modern trainstation, have supa apps dat do literally everything, have tons of appartments and homes 2 chose from. while u pray 2 billionaire conmans 2 come help u rofl. u have a higher chance prayin 2 da green marsman
williamthebastard rank	Fri Jun 05 15:07:09 Extremely volatile and unpredictable Maga times means its much harder to predict than this, and this is not one of the most likely scenarios, though one of the more rose-tinted ones from a US perspective
williamthebastard rank	Fri Jun 05 15:11:28 The one thing there is no doubt about is that China is taking top place in the next decade, whether alongside any other powers or alone remains to be seen. Also, this nonsense about them producing cheap knock-offs - didnt you learn from Japan, South Korea etc when they went through a rapid period of producing cheap knock-offs that we all laughed at until they were leading quality leaders at competitive prices just a few years later, while the West was wiping the smirk off its face?
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 15:52:26 Wtb, 1, not even comparable. 2. Hlwasnt Japan set to dominate the US econkmically by now? How did that work out...oh, a rapidly aging population you say.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Jun 05 16:05:48 wot
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 16:33:28 ya heard it here folks. these neos be high on copium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur1Yr9x2QTc accordin 2 these neos, these jonnie fuckin snows, os ova china is lost!
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 16:36:08 as they say in harry cashcow potta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD-vfqAe8G8 MUGGLE TRUTH OUT! me is believe me eyes dont i. while u is believe in ur propfunda who gives u daily dosises of copium, ur tiny little egos cant handle da truth
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 16:44:14 butbuutbuut u is "winnin" conman promised u spacey rockets 2 mars rofl "airplanes" "satelites" "medical devices" "chips" non existant things u cant even name one. meanwhile china has actual ai being used in traffic. in payment, in fuckin farmin robots deliver food. order anything any hour even 22:00 in ur hotel room and watch it get delivered within 20 min, make payments book and buy tickets on ur phone 4 2morrow 5 min brand spankin blin bling metros take u there in high comfort clean and affordable. neva havin 2 worry bout crime and gangstas and shit hungry on ur way? buy something 2 eat, fully affordable. u got none of dis. NONE. and on top of it, da white bible promised u da hypaloop 20 years ago in da next 10 years ur being ruled by pddidies china feels like 2150 ur country...try not 2 step on dat poop on da pavement lol while commutin 2 work. rememba how in da 90s at school we was seein these depressin ol soviet buildin blocks of da 1960s and 1970s... is ur turn now boy. u didnt even notice but everyone else did. watchin some of ur cities feels like watchin soviet 1960 blocks lol
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 17:19:21 The humor of people pushing"da future" and pointing to trains isn't lost on me.
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 17:40:24 Actually, I'd probably have to give infrastructure to the Euros. China has built alot, and some is good. But with so many tofu dreg projects. Even the stuff they build in other countries, so, not built for GDP goals. China built the hongqi bridge, large fancy bridge...collapsed after 7 months.
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 05 17:54:27 i like how ur so brain rolled dat u can stand there and say things like dat and still be completely serious bout it rofl nottin u said there is even close 2 any truth. also tofu dredge >>> cheese dredge dats 4 sure
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 18:30:48 Im not claiming the US infrastructure is good by any means. I frequently complain about it and our lack of investment into it. That said the more I think about it, western EU is pretty hard to say they don't have better infrastructure. I would say China probably beats the US on infrastructure, even in my OP I admit US Inf is un maintained.
Habebe rank	Fri Jun 05 18:32:03 I was the one arguing that we should pull money from the military into INF. .5 trillion more yearly into the military? Imagine what that could do for INF.
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