Utopia Talk / Politics / Forwyn bullshit about UK immigration

Seb rank	Fri Jun 05 12:31:31 Forwyn: "They get to live in community housing" Incorrect, you are not able to get community housing as an immigrant. You have "no recourse to public funds" which includes housing benefit. This is the the govt is having to rent hotels to put them in. " while they have ten kids who will vote" Again, not correct. Just racist paranoia e.g. "they breed like cockroaches!!!!". Firstly, a point often ignored but which I explicitly raised: most immigrants return home at some point. Secondly you aren't automatically eligible for citizenship if you are born in the UK unless one of your parents is British. Which is another issue with many of your simplistic readings of stats. Because you've adopted NAZI/Confederate blood law like concept, you see many of the kids of white British people as being fundamentally foreign. In your mind "native" is a status that can only be lost, and "immigrant" is a permanent stain that can only spread. This is the essential problem here: you resent it but you literally have a racist NAZI concept implicitly lurking at the centre of your world view. The logical extension is white people should be forbidden from falling in love and marrying a foreigner, and if they do, their partner and child and their children and their children's children must all be second class citizens. Yes, I have one child, but even though she looks white, in your world she isn't because my wife is Latina. In your world, it's an affront that she should be allowed to vote, that she should be afforded citizenship. In your world, she's a pollutant, degrading the white native gene pool. "Right...except they did the same thing to Henry" They did not, they did the opposite. They thought he was intoxicated, they put him in recovery which is what medically you should do. They did not attempt to asphyxiate him into submission. "Only...after they called him a liar, and ignored his pleas, and he stopped breathing." As the judge pointed out: 1. He presented with no obvious serious wounds, just the cut on his face (non life threatening) and intoxicated as he had been reported to 999. 2. Perpetrators lie to the police all the time. Of course they thought he was likely lying to avoid being cuffed and, potentially, attack or try to escape. This is why police routinely cuff people before body searches. You have no issues with this practice when used in stop-and-search. 3. When he they put him on his side and his condition rapidly deteriorated, they immediately started CPR. The simple matter is the police did little wrong, and what little wrong they did had nothing to do with race. You never asked me how you would respond to the following scenario: Police are called to the scene by a white family who report their son being attacked by a drunk, violent black man. Upon arriving the black man claims, slurring, that he's been stabbed. The police immediately turn around, arrest the white kid with a black eye, caution him, and begin investigating him for this claimed stabbing. You would lose your mind. You would say it was clear evidence of that police favouring an obviously self motivated claim from a black person to avoid being seen as racist, and two tier policing on an innocent white kid. Yet that's exactly what you are criticise the police here for. "we have both his fucking blood levels and the pills found." It's not in doubt he'd taken drugs, but the whole "gent panic" "crack panic" is not a real thing. It exists only in police reports to justify much heavier handed treatment of minorities on arrest. There's no actual difference in physiological response to drugs when high to substantiate it. There's medical papers on it. He was panicked when the police tried to bundle him into the car. He was worried they'd do racist violence to him. He was right to be worried . A racist police officer killed him, not as a legitimate act of policing: enough to get the officer convicted of murder in a country that gives broad immunity to disproportionate police violence. He is not in prison for a mistake. He is in prison for a gratuitous crime.
Forwyn rank	Fri Jun 05 17:09:46 Over 600 words of lies, and maybe 10% of it is factual. You selectively hone in on word choice to strategically defend your dishonest point; this is the British way. "They're not in community housing, they're just in hotels!" Yes, asylum seekers get accommodations plus an allowance. Then when they get refugee status or indefinite leave, full access to housing and benefits. And even before that, they can get local support for child welfare. "Most immigrants return home" is generally true for students and workers, but net migration has remained high for upwards of a decade - I've shared these figures with you several times. Births to non-UK mothers is 40%. 20% of the people on your islands are foreign. Your broad assessment is emotional and factually untrue. Opposing rapid, low-selection mass immigration and noting its fiscal, cultural, and electoral effects is not a Nazi ideology, no matter how vigorously you struggle to simplify issues for easier handling in accordance with your diminished IQ. Higher fertility + UK-born children gaining citizenship + chain migration shifts demographics and electorates over generations. There are proven ethnic gaps in voting patterns. These are objective facts, and your worldview is that anyone who has concerns with this are traitors. The flipside is truer than yours. As an aside to your idiotic strawman: Latina is Western, with largely shared values. Repealing a latina woman's suffrage would occur because she's a woman, not ethnicity. ----- On Nowak/Floyd...more lies and ignorance. The police/pathologist/Seb stance is that Nowak had already lost too much blood to be saved. Where was that blood, Seb? What did Nowak do to display intoxication, Seb? Would you like to double down on your earlier lie that he was drunk? Your hypothetical is not the slam dunk you think it is, for a couple reasons: US police, for all of their faults, would absolutely change course at the mention of a weaponized assault. Would they completely 180°? Probably not, but they would detain the other party and more thoroughly assess for wounds. This kid was tiny and non-combative, there was absolutely zero reason to hold him down until he was lifeless. Meanwhile, the flipside is true. If the races were flipped in this case you'd be crying about the internal biases of white cops.
Forwyn rank	Fri Jun 05 17:16:21 The fent panic portion deserves its own comment, because it's so clearly objectively true, proven by multiple studies, that you're essentially claiming the sky is not blue and to say that it is is racist. Do you really think that, "Drugs do not do drug things" is a serious stance from a serious person? Excited Delirium http://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3088378/ Excited (or agitated) delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs that alter dopamine processing, hyperthermia, and, most notably, sometimes with death of the affected person in the custody of law enforcement. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest, although the cause is debated. Unfortunately an adequate treatment plan has yet to be established, in part due to the fact that most patients die before hospital arrival. While there is still much to be discovered about the pathophysiology and treatment, it is hoped that this extensive review will provide both police and medical personnel with the information necessary to recognize and respond appropriately to excited delirium. Excited Delirium and Sudden Death: A Syndromal Disorder at the Extreme End of the Neuropsychiatric Continuum http://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5061757/ Over the past decade, the excited delirium syndrome (ExDS) has raised continued controversy regarding the cause and manner of death of some highly agitated persons held in police custody, restrained or incapacitated by electrical devices. At autopsy, medical examiners have difficulty in identifying an anatomic cause of death, but frequently cite psychostimulant intoxication as a contributing factor. The characteristic symptoms of ExDS include bizarre and aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence toward others, unexpected physical strength, and hyperthermia. Throughout the United States and Canada, these cases are most frequently associated with cocaine, methamphetamine, and designer cathinone abuse. Acute exhaustive mania and sudden death presents with behavioral symptoms that are identical to what is described for ExDS in psychostimulant abusers. Bell's mania or acute exhaustive mania was first described in the 1850's by American psychiatrist Luther Bell in institutionalized psychiatric patients. This rare disorder of violent mania, elevated body temperature and autonomic collapse continued to be described by others in the psychiatric literature, but with different names until the first cases of ExDS were seen at the beginning of the cocaine epidemic by medical examiners. The neurochemical pathology examination of brain tissues after death revealed a loss of dopamine transporter regulation together with increases in heat shock protein 70 (hsp70) expression as a biomarker of hyperthermia. The similarity in the behavioral symptoms between extremely agitated psychostimulant abusers and unmedicated psychiatric patients suggests that a genetic disorder that leads to dysregulated central dopamine transporter function could be a precipitating cause of the acute delirium and sudden death. While the precise cause and mechanism of lethality remains controversial, the likely whys and wherefores of sudden death of ExDS victims are seen to be “biological,” since excessive dopamine in the brain triggers the manic excitement and delirium, which unabated, culminates in a loss of autonomic function that progresses to cardiorespiratory collapse. Excited delirium syndrome from psychostimulant abuse can mimic a violent scene of death http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s41935-019-0173-z Background Previous reported cases on excited delirium syndrome studied on the common clinical manifestations of the syndrome. The usual forensics implication for the syndrome is that death commonly is associated with restraint procedures by law enforcement agencies; however, not many cases reported highlights the difficulties in attributing a violent scene of death to the syndrome. Case presentation We present a case of a partially naked body found in an apartment unit under suspicious circumstances with multiple injuries. The scene of death was violent, and the body was found with blood wiped all over the floor and walls. Investigators believed a violent crime had occurred, and a suspect was reprimanded. However, upon autopsy, it was found that all injuries were superficially inflicted and were unlikely to have been part of an act of commission or caused his death. Internal examination found no remarkable pathology. Toxicology revealed a presence of psychostimulants, that is, methamphetamine, MDMA, and ethyl alcohol. Reconstruction of events by the witness, who was initially suspected of the ‘murder’, revealed that the injuries and his death could likely be explained by an episode of excited delirium. Conclusion The case highlights the challenges faced when attributing excited delirium syndrome as a cause of death. The syndrome can present with injuries from aggressive or bizarre behaviour, coupled with the destruction of property, which may confuse investigators on the possible manner of death.
Rugian rank	Fri Jun 05 17:37:38 I just got caught up on this story and skimmed through the last thread as well. Is Seb really defending the cops in this situation? LOL
Rugian rank	Fri Jun 05 17:38:34 You can admit to being wrong every once in a while Seb. It won't kill you. Just say it with me: two-tiered justice system.
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