Utopia Talk / Politics / Keir Starmer going...going...

Rugian rank	Sun Jun 21 10:14:28 Word is he's resigning Monday. Good riddance(?)
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jun 21 10:16:33 Lol When is farage gonna be pm Seb you cuck
Average Ameriacn rank	Sun Jun 21 10:34:57 Who did Trump favor as his successor?
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jun 21 10:35:21 https://x.com/harry_the_k/status/2068428252956229677?s=20
murder rank	Sun Jun 21 16:23:42 They should just change PMs every day. -
Rugian rank	Sun Jun 21 16:47:27 It's official now: ---- Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Keir Starmer will resign as Prime Minister of The United Kingdom. He failed badly on two very important subjects- IMMIGRATION AND ENERGY (OPEN NORTH SEA OIL!). I wish him well! President DJT
Average Ameriacn rank	Sun Jun 21 16:47:38 Can they bring back Tony Blair? He was always loyal to Bush and might be loyal to Trump, too.
Paramount rank	Sun Jun 21 22:26:42 Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Seb rank	Sun Jun 21 22:32:29 NaMBLA: Never. Starmer is likely resigning to make way for a more left wing PM (Burnham); who just smashed Reform in a by election where reform was very close to winning; Burnham successfully uniting the left wing vote. Farrage is too Marmite. 60% of the electorate hate him so much they'll vote for whichever candidate can beat Reform.
Seb rank	Sun Jun 21 22:39:25 Rugian: Under Starmer's govt immigration has fallen from a peak of 900k under the conservatives to 170k, almost entirely driven by a reduction in non-european migrants and increase in removals of failed asylum applications. On current rate we are on track to meet the target Cameron set but never achieved, net migration under 100k, sometime next year. This is likely to greatly exacerbate economic problems, but leaving aside the idiocy of the policy; the one thing they haven't failed at is immigration. They've delivered exactly what you lot have been asking for and which no conservative govt in the last 20 years have been able to do. North Sea oil isn't going to help, it's nowhere near enough to supply the UK demand, and the contribution to global supply isn't going to materially change prices. I do wonder why anyone listens to this guy. I mean isn't it obvious he's a massive loser yet?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jun 22 14:42:18 Lol out of shape low iq cuck look. This man defines sebland. He'll win for sure. https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/2069033912802918647?s=20
Paramount rank	Mon Jun 22 16:43:18 ”Six years ago I inherited a party that was politically, financially and morally bankrupt," Starmer said.” Lol. His party even even more politically, financially and especially morally bankrupt now than it was six years ago. Wtf Starmer ought to be put in jail the moment he steps out from 10 Downing Street. Or better yet, he should be hanged after a proper Nuremberg trial.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jun 22 17:05:10 Reminder: As evidenced by sebfag stealing and attempting to project my use of "bot", "NPC", and "totalitarian" when he realized that they were extremely true about him and his ilk: [CC]: "Good reminder here that whenever sebfag mentions "NAMBLA" it is because I correctly have been calling the pedo-left "LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA" for more than 5 years, and sebfag only recently had the 80-IQ idea to project his totalitarian party's guilt onto others. Seb is slower than Internet Explorer. Seb is an absolutely pathetic person." ....... ....... [Sam]: "When is farage gonna be pm [/] Seb you cuck" Lulz, Farage is definitely a cuck. Restore is needed. [sebfaggot]: "This is likely to greatly exacerbate economic problems" Rofl. "[Muh GDP]"
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jun 22 17:05:45 "Famously unemotional Starmer finally lets his emotions break through. The Southport masacre couldn't do it, nor Nowak, White or Broadhurst murders. But losing the power to bring 'The full force of the law' to his political enemies has." http://x.com/Kingbingo_/status/2069005734449119498
LazyCommunist rank	Tue Jun 23 05:39:26 Russia destroys u from within! https://x.com/kadmitriev/status/2068709349686485172 Kirill Dmitriev@kadmitriev We did it. Starmer's resignation unites us all.
jergul rank	Tue Jun 23 10:37:47 Seb I think you need to get back to a bit more stability. This is getting rediculous.
Seb rank	Tue Jun 23 14:04:24 Jergul: I could write a long post reflecting what I think it's driving the instability and Brexit is more a symptom. The TL;Dr version is a mix of: 1. Rise of individualism, consumerism and the idea of painful personal image as self actualisation, combined with, 2. Professionalisation of politics, and the development of an industry and industrial process around elections and campaigning, the larger serviced by advertising that had already specialised in capitalising on the trends in 1. 3. A media environment by that's focused with attention hacking and infotainment rather than educating and informing 4. A highly adversarial political system where consensus is supposed to emerge in elections and consent of the defeated rather than negotiation between parties. All against a backdrop of a series of global shifts that are undermining a lot of developed countries political economy and political settlement. In short, the ground has shifted under the UK political system and several reforms are needed. Until then our parties are incentivise to pander effectively to positions that they know or ought to know are unsustainable; but then are unable to govern because they are forced to give up nearly all their room to manoeuvre in the various electoral processes. At the same time, nobody is willing to confront the public with it's own bad choices, faulty assumptions and incorrect beliefs. A similar dynamic in play in the US, but the difference is the US publics faulty assumptions, prejudices and incorrect beliefs are far more toxic a mix. Burnham may be able to break out of this is and only if he is not forced into an internal labour competition; and he has the political judgement and communication skills to wriggle out of the manifesto constraints, while keeping bond markets broadly on side. However, I personally do not rate him. He may prove a better communicator than Starmer, but he doesn't seem a better political strategist from what he's committed himself so far.
Seb rank	Tue Jun 23 14:05:01 Still, it's healthier to eject failing PMs than be stuck with them.
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