Utopia Talk / Politics / Poll: Which UPers think D stole election

williamthebastard rank	Sun Jul 05 22:16:02 1) I believe they stole the election from Trump (Superdude answer) 2) Im going to flee to the vaguest excuse out there from people who know Trumps election lies are complete BS but still dont want to hang him out to dry since they love his racism, so Ill just use the get-out-of-jail-free card "there were some irregularities" (Rugian answer) 3) No,they did not try to steal the election. Trump tried to steal the election. You lying, fucking moron (normal person answer)
williamthebastard rank	Sun Jul 05 22:16:38 3.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jul 05 23:14:54 3) is the factual truth for the 'Trump tried to steal the election'... he factually tried multiple efforts to trash the people's vote (& avoid the courts) w/ efforts to just be declared winner by state legislatures (or crazily essentially by Pence alone) while again factually he had zero actual proof of anything (including many proven lies & baseless fabrications in his claims) ...if only facts mattered it's disgusting he didn't have to answer for it... & presumably the entire Faux & cultist crowd (& others) don't even know what the J6 charges were about, as Faux deliberately misled for weeks that it was just going to be about whether he incited a riot (which it definitely was NOT going to be) & Trump as 'defense' just brings up Pelosi & the national guard which is 100% irrelevant to the charges (on top of being false)
jergul rank	Sun Jul 05 23:36:16 3
superdude rank	Mon Jul 06 03:00:43 OP is wrong 1)I know for a fact the 2020 election was stolen from Trump ME!! 5 July 2026
Rugian rank	Mon Jul 06 03:04:20 2.5. Not irregularities in voting counts or whatever, but the Dems, the media, and Big Tech all worked to stack the deck against Trump by implementing overly liberal voting procedures, running overly negative news coverage about him while openly pumping Biden's campaign, censoring stories online, etc. Really, that all falls under number 3 as none of that constitutes "stealing" an election, but for some reason you think I'm a 2 so I'm willing to split the difference.
murder rank	Mon Jul 06 10:21:52 4) Republicans rob eligible Americans of their right to vote every single election. -
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jul 06 11:44:51 [murfag]: "Republicans rob eligible Americans of their right to vote every single election." Worthless cretins cannot be robbed of anything since they possess nothing. By their own admission they themselves need to steal from the wealthy to have anything, and even what they steal they could not maintain, just as a nest of beetles cannot maintain a human's house. They even give their own dignity away by being pathetic monsters with no souls. This is why historically worthless people are rightly not allowed to vote in functioning Western societies. This is why destroyers of Western society thus seek to enfranchise resentful leftists, foreigners, invaders, and anyone who hates the West. People whose vision for society is that society's end are not meant to lead. If they cannot perform difficult service towards the direct survival of the state, then they do not deserve to vote. They rob themselves of that dignity by their very character. .. "3)" is absolutely false and only psychopaths and retards believe it. Rugian's "2.5" is closer to the truth, and I generally agree that the simple silver bullet is that Democrats themselves have admitted that their intentional and knowing suppression of the Hunter Biden story through totalitarian media monopoly was in itself enough of a factor to sabotage the election. Further, they outright admitted to rigging the election in the Time Magazine article after 2020, it is simply permissible in their slave morality to rig elections in the way that they rigged them. Agreeing with their methods of rigging the election is merely to concede point "1)". And as I have said many times, the very nature of the slavish is the final proof that they did indeed cheat, absolutely proving "1)". I frequently sum this by asking: would you trust tumbleweed to count ballots? The answer should be "no", since tumbleweed cannot be trusted with any power whatsoever and will indeed cheat for power, just as he sebbishly lies in every debate. The subsequent understanding is that if you get enough of these people together then they behave as the slavish do. If you get enough Sudanese people together, then they will recreate the conditions of Sudan. That is what a nation is. The Sudanese as a collective are the most fraudulent people in the entire world by the CPI ( http://en....eptions_Index&oldid=1361797046 ). Similarly, if you get enough tumbleweeds and williamthecowards together, they will do as is their nature: cheat, defraud, commit treason, and attempt to destroy White people and the West. That is their collective nature. That is what a Democrat city is. That is a slave nation. That is why Democrats import the fraudulent Sudanese and Somalians to boost their chances of "victory". Fraud is simply how they act when they collectivize. Their very presence is the proof of the fraud.
jergul rank	Mon Jul 06 14:48:01 Cherub Cow Trump tried to pressure Pence into not counting the electoral votes. Pence refusing to do his constitional duty would have triggered mechanisms that would have given Trump a stolen, second term.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jul 06 15:08:57 FALSE: "would have given Trump a stolen, second term" This is the "overturn" lie. I dismantled tumblefaggot on this lie years ago. Even at the level of rhetoric the lie is apparent. That lie only fools retards, thus, it was appropriately spoken by jergtard and tumbletard.
jergul rank	Mon Jul 06 16:11:15 Its not an "overturn" Pence not certifying is passive action inaction. "Overturning" is an active action. The overturn bit was through court challenges trying to invalidate electorate outcomes.
jergul rank	Mon Jul 06 16:12:24 Feel free to "dismantle" what would happen if Pence has failed to do his constitutional duty if you want to make a point.
Average Ameriacn rank	Mon Jul 06 18:06:43 1
murder rank	Mon Jul 06 21:37:21 "Trump tried to pressure Pence into not counting the electoral votes." And CC 100% supported it. You'd have an easier task convincing a cannibal that meat is murder. -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jul 06 22:12:11 Im a cannibal and I believe meat is murder. Its a daily moral struggle.
Habebe rank	Mon Jul 06 22:55:23 Murder, Let's dive into that nuance. Both sides have clear examples of this zone. 1. Making legal challenges, sometimes implemented from courts. 2. Technically acting within the law, or atleast the courts have not deemed it criminal. 3. Clearly bias courts giving polar swings im rulings. Gerrymandering falls into this category, the Dems literally took this zone into a new level and implemented a systemic system to deny a what a normal persom free of bias would call a fair rules based election. Trump would break the unwritten code of conduct, so it was like they figured "well we can too" bit in a much more procedural and clandestine manner. They literally bragged about it later.
Habebe rank	Tue Jul 07 00:54:11 https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
tumbleweed rank	Tue Jul 07 01:31:42 Trump went beyond breaking 'unwritten code of conduct' (hence why there were criminal charges, w/ a lengthy indictment detailing the actions which went beyond just the Pence stuff... criminal charges for which NOBODY tried to argue it, instead Faux & the rest hid & deflected) if anyone can show someone anywhere actually countering why it was ok for him to pressure state legislatures to change the vote (w/ NO proven fraud), including pressuring the DOJ to fucking lie to the states (w/ the letter already written by a stooge that he nearly installed as AG when the decent people refused to sign), plus the rest of activity, let me see it (this doesn't include any CC rants that have no value or point)
tumbleweed rank	Tue Jul 07 01:36:11 ...them going -around the courts- to the legislatures (as had no proof of anything & knew it) plus them explicitly hoping to avoid the courts w/ the Pence part of the plan (as -knew- it would be shut down if ever went to the courts, just hoping the Supreme Court wouldn't take the case on the 'political question doctrine') completely obviously corrupt acts it's amazing & disgusting that he got away w/ it... i wonder if mostly-dead Mitch regrets his choice now
Habebe rank	Tue Jul 07 02:13:54 TW, It falls into that same zone of borderline technically legal only because it wasn't played out as most people would expect in a fair court system. That said, the Dems clearly were bending the rules? Changing voting procedures *illegally*, kicking candidates *illegally* off of ballots. *illegally* By standard definition of what should be considered illegal, however due to rampant corruption and others throwing there hands up not knowing what to do etc. The same people that will claim "Trump literally tried to steal the election" Will not use the same balanced rules to apply to the.democrats conduct. If they did, they would clearly see both sides getting away with murder.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Jul 07 06:14:02 there was opportunity to challenge things like those in court... if you say the courts were corrupt well then the whole system is gone in any case, Trump was definitely worse (as always) as he was -avoiding- courts... he barely ever commented on the shit cases Rudy & others took to court (& lost over & over), he was focused on fully non-legal means to just be declared winner w/ no indication of winning & he was only charged on those things
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