Utopia Talk / Politics / Fort Hood shooter

Rugian rank	Thu Oct 15 21:11:14 The plan to livestream his execution backfired spectacularly. Trump just had to step in and cancel Hegseth's order. How are these guys so bad at messaging?
Sam Adams rank	Thu Oct 15 21:45:04 Weak. Livestream it, you pussies.
tumbleweed rank	Thu Oct 15 23:23:52 maybe we'll get photos of Hegseth taunting him right before it (or mocking the corpse) surely something fitting this regime will still occur
murder rank	Fri Oct 16 02:35:06 I'm not sure why a livestream mattered. No one was being forced to watch. -
Sam Adams rank	Fri Oct 16 05:30:38 I think he should be tortured first.
Average Ameriacn rank	Fri Oct 16 15:35:30 I wuld have paid to see it.
murder rank	Fri Oct 16 17:39:50 I'm not the least bit interested in watching, but a firing squad execution would hardly be the most gruesome thing on the internet. It's not like he's getting his head hacked off, or being beaten to death with a club, or being executed by grenade. -
Seb rank	Fri Oct 16 19:09:43 I think the US should go ahead and do it. We know only barbarians and terrorists do public televised executions - this just helps make it clear what America is.
murder rank	Fri Oct 16 21:31:09 I would think you'd be in favor of it. If you're going to execute people, hiding from public view just allows citizens to ignore what the government is doing in their name. This country took his family in when they fled the West Bank. Rather than gratitude or getting the fuck out if he wasn't happy here, he chose to murder US soldiers. He was given every opportunity to make a good life for himself, but instead he chose to bite the hand that fed him. He wanted to be a martyr. He's going to get his wish. -
Sam Adams rank	Sat Oct 17 04:33:22 Ya that's why killing by itself is too good for him. Torture him and blow up his family.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Oct 17 04:33:42 Seriously 1 shitty life for 13 good ones is very bad math.
Forwyn rank	Sat Oct 17 18:47:28 A Muslim refugee executes a pregnant latina soldier. Seb cries about the televising of his execution. lol
Rugian rank	Sat Oct 17 19:01:37 Yup. Meanwhile, Palestinian savages brutally rape and murder 1,200 Jews, and Seb celebrates and demands they be rewarded with their own state. But heaven forbid we execute a Muslim who betrayed his country and murdered 13 of his fellow soldiers, including a pregnant woman. It's pretty clear what side of the Clash of Civilizations he's on, and it's not ours.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 00:49:00 Murder: For various reasons I'm against the death penalty. But turning it into entertainment and theatre is barbaric. Civilised countries largely dispensed with that before they got rid of the death penalty. Plus there's something that looks particularly pathetic about having a line of able bodied men shooting a cripple in a wheel chair. I'm sure it would make America look strong and resolute, and not at all like it's on desperate need of those testosterone jabs. Forwyn: You really are kinda stuck at about the age of 13 aren't you? Rugian: It's quite clear you are on the losing side of the clash of civilization we had in the 30's.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Oct 18 01:14:51 Nonhuman trying to understand civilization: "If you want to execute bad guys you are childish"
murder rank	Sun Oct 18 02:01:41 "Plus there's something that looks particularly pathetic about having a line of able bodied men shooting a cripple in a wheel chair." That's a mass murdering jihadist and turncoat in a wheel chair. Whether it looks pathetic or not, he earned it. -
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 18 02:02:17 "shooting a cripple" How did he get crippled, Seb?
murder rank	Sun Oct 18 02:03:09 It should also be noted that he wants it, so this is more assisted suicide than execution. -
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 12:12:44 NaMBLA: No NaMBLA. What is very clear to anyone with adult level comprehension is describing any criticism as "crying" is childish. Murder: You will note that nothing I have said is about what the convict deserves. He's going to get what he gets whether it is televised or not. Forwyn: I know how he got crippled, moron. It still looks absolutely pathetic. A whole squad to kill a cripple sat in a wheel chair. It is not a thing you want to televise to the world. It doesn't make the US look strong, resolute etc. it's an absolute gift to propagandists that want to draw moral equivalence between the US and Al-Quaeda. Which is why I think you should have done it to be honest, because it's become abundantly clear that there isn't much difference really.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 12:13:25 Murder: He's a smart chap then.
Forwyn rank	Sun Oct 18 13:59:42 Pathetic is caging Lee Rigby's Nigerians for another fifty years. But tell us more about what constitutes "civilized", and pretend that we should care what Islamists think about executing a man who executed a pregnant woman. That you think there's even a modicum of moral equivalence is telling of how retarded you are. Muh wheelchair!
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 15:27:35 Forwyn: See, if I was as childish as you I'd say you were crying about imprisoning a murderous terrorist and desperate to release him (because you didn't specify the alternative - ho ho ho). This is why it's impossible to take you seriously and pointless to engage with you. Much like the US as a whole.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 15:30:31 "modicum of moral equivalence" You casually murder fishermen, send random people to be tortured in foreign countries, refuse to repatriate them when your own courts determine they aren't even illegal immigrants. You betray your allies and conspire with Russia against Ukraine. You torture captives, you support genocide. You are retarded if you think you are on a different moral scale. Your country has become a cesspool.
Seb rank	Sun Oct 18 15:31:35 And now you have started to think about televised public executions - something no other country does, but the likes of Isis and Daesh does.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Oct 18 18:21:02 "You casually murder fishermen" "when your own courts determine they aren't even illegal immigrants." "send random people to be tortured in foreign countries" Baboons just make up stuff.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Oct 18 18:22:14 Seb personally raped underage British girls. That's got way more truth to it than any of the bullshit you just said.
murder rank	Sun Oct 18 20:02:28 "Baboons just make up stuff." All of that is 100% true. -
Sam Adams rank	Sun Oct 18 20:30:52 Not a single 1 of those has the slightest scrap of truth to it. You know this. Don't be a baboon.
jergul rank	Sun Oct 18 20:44:52 Dummydumbdumb, yes, we are aware of your bottomless ignorance untempered by any desire to inform yourself. I accept that you know nothing. It still makes you horrendously wrong.
Forwyn rank	Mon Oct 19 18:25:35 "You casually murder fishermen" lie "send random people to be tortured in foreign countries" lie "refuse to repatriate them when your own courts determine they aren't even illegal immigrants." lie "You betray your allies and conspire with Russia against Ukraine." Even though Ukraine sucks, we've funneled 4x the aid as you. "You torture captives," Islamists, twenty years ago? "you support genocide." Is this an Israel jab? Our aid amount to them should be 0. But I also don't give a fuck what they do to the pack of savages on their doorstep. If that's "support", so be it.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 19 19:46:04 All of those points are true. Save us the semantics dummydumb ( for example: "rofl. Nothing casual about planing to blow up suspected drugdealers. Highly complicated operation achually" Barf. Sickening).
Forwyn rank	Mon Oct 19 20:15:38 Calling fastboats with fuel barrels fishing vessels is a retarded lie, and larger fuel platformers have been seized and their crew arrested (due to the more glaring danger of misidentification), not blown up. The fiery pictures posted for retards like yourself are after the vessels are empty.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 19 20:24:18 Dummydumbdumb. Just check. https://ww...ela-boat-bombing-complaint.pdf Number of killed is now 270ish, so filing is a bit outdated.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 19 21:36:24 There is no reliable evidence that a single innocent person was killed. Remarkable track record, though to be fair the style of boat involved is a dead giveaway. Baboons can't really understand that though.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 19 22:35:04 Dummydumbdumb, speedboats are literally dime a dozen everywhere and people use them for various purposes including local transportation. Also, the onus at the very least is evidence of drug trafficing. Guilty until proven otherwise is not part of any meaningful code. As for "remarkable trackrecord" You habitually kill 5 civilians for every combatant. We have no reason to believe that ratio is any better in this case. So, yah, you killed a couple hundred innocent people and a few dozen people involved in drug trafficing. Not that drug trafficing is a capital offence in any event. We will jot this down as examples of US barbarism in the name of making Trump look good to his magatard audience such as yourself.
jergul rank	Mon Oct 19 22:38:34 Dummydumbdumb's drugrunners in trouble: https://st...ision/latest?cb=20101230195708
Sam Adams rank	Mon Oct 19 22:42:24 "speedboats are literally dime a dozen everywhere" Not in the open ocean numbnuts. Not along drugs routes and not with the absolute ghetto giveaway of about 6 oversized outboards. We have been over this. Even a smart baboon would have learned by now.
Seb rank	Mon Oct 19 23:02:09 It's not called the Caribbean Ocean, unless trump renamed it again.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 20 06:44:48 seb, expert of blue water navigation, says it fine for speadboats since it's just a sea. Theres no waves or anything in the caribbean, it's just a sea. Everyone takes there 22 footer ghetto blaster speedboat out across such waters all the time. Amazing retardation.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 20 06:46:41 Seb rank Fri Oct 16 19:17:06 But I'm smart enough to know when I don't know something and check Lol
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 20 06:48:42 Just cross to Norway in your little speadboat. It's only the north sea. It's not a real ocean. You and jergul can do whatever baboons do. It will be a grand old time.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 20 07:41:26 So first you confuse the Caribbean with the Atlantic ocean, and then you try to compare average sea conditions of the North Sea with the considerably milder Caribbean which has smaller waves, lower wind speeds and less variability. These are easy things to check NaMBLA.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 14:08:12 dummydumbdumb managed to make boats racists. Like, I get it, outboard engines are not really that effective. Engines lose efficiency when shaft to propeller is not 180. Open decks are not that great either. You would not really want to be at sea for too long with open decks. What are these people? Poor or something?
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 14:10:57 Dummydumbdumbs drugrunner spotting an incoming hellfire missile: https://en...erica_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 20 19:22:00 4 giant outboards isn't a sign of poverty jergul you dumb baboon. I'm fact, its the opposite. Can you even tie your shoes? "the Caribbean with the Atlantic" I never mentioned the atlantic. You can't read, think or remember. "and then you try to compare average sea" I merely pointed that your assertion that a 'sea is benign' is retarded. Typical seb level nonhuman thinking. Imagine being a baboon, being unable to even think at a human level, and trying to understand seas and oceans and storms. Lmfao. You don't have a chance. This is beyond you.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 19:34:17 Dummydumbdumb, of course both outboard engines and open decks in open waters are a sign of relative poverty. Ships fit for purpose have decks and inboard engines, but are way more expensive. You are very dumb. If follows that you lack imagination. Waterways are communication routes. Individuals, even poor ones with dark skin, have always used water for transport. Your leap to believing everyone doing that is a drugrunner is insane. So yah, the US is up to its normal kill a few hundred innocent people and a few dozen of those it actually wanted to kill. Rinse repeat. Again and again and again and again. All over again, then repeat.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Oct 20 20:10:42 If that was a little skiff with a single reasonably sized outboard, or maybe two, you'd have a point. But that's not how it is, and baboon seems to be unable to tell the difference between 1 and 4. Baboon dumb. Even compare with other baboon.
Seb rank	Tue Oct 20 20:26:32 NaMBLA: Ah, I see, you thought it was the Pacific or Indian Ocean perhaps. That's not actually better NaMBLA.
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 22:05:41 dummydumbdumb, the engines are not druglord bling. They serve a purpose in open water not matter what is being transported. You are so dumb. Rofl. Pwnd!
Forwyn rank	Tue Oct 20 22:59:47 Sonny and Rico on their way to the fishing spot: http://www...ami-vice-3rd-season-4b65_3.jpg
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 23:51:55 Forwyn, say you had been working as a fisherman for 4 month on a ship based in Venezuela. The relief crew takes over. How would you travel from a port town in Venezuela home to your family in a fishing village on Trinidad and Tongo?
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 23:56:11 Answer: "My God, has the navy been destroying local boats used for transportation because it did not understand that open boats with outboard engines can transport other things than drugs. I am so sorry. I will inform the navy immediately as this is obviously just one of its typical fuckups".
jergul rank	Tue Oct 20 23:57:41 Wrong answer "denial, trivialization, then finally admitting it happen, but that was like 20 years ago, dude. We would never do that now". Rinse, repeat.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Oct 21 03:18:48 "They serve a purpose in open water" Ya, to outrun patrol ships. Too bad they don't outrun mq9s lol. A fishing boat doesn't need that kind of extra power. Duh. It's almost as retarded as seb confusing "open ocean" for a specific ocean and even more retardedly, not realizing the Caribbean is merely a subset of the Atlantic and nearly completely exposed to its easterly trade wind rollers. But a baboon couldn't understand that, could it?
Sam Adams rank	Wed Oct 21 03:20:42 Imagine a baboon trying to look at a map and scratching its head in confusion. Lol
Forwyn rank	Wed Oct 21 04:55:46 Answer: My God jergul, this might be your most retarded hypothetical to date. Latin American/Caribbean fishing is not comprised of Norwegian deep-sea oil rigs with months-long deployments. They are small-scale ops on pirogues and open-hulls. There is literally no fishing application for a go-fast with extra gas drums, especially on known trafficking routes.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 21 09:09:06 NaMBLA: Which ocean did you think it was in? Because it was in a sea, not an ocean, and one of the calmer seas at that. As a highly intelligent person very familiar with nautical terms such as the definition of the word "Lifeboatman" to mean "man in a small boat", you wouldn't say "open ocean" to mean open sea. Americans well known for their firm grasp of hydronyms and would not make such mistakes.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 21 13:18:11 Dummydumbdumb, they are not fishing boats, they are transports tying coastal towns and villages into a network so fishermen can make it home after months out fishing on proper vessels when the relief crew arrived. Like the two fishermen you murdered on their way home to Trinidad. This is just an example of you being you and the US being the US. A few dozen drug trafficers killed extralegally (which is also murder by sovereign actor), a few hundred civilians murdered because you never understand how anything works and do not care to learn. Why? Because you are a dummydumbdumb and your military is an institutional dummydumbdumb from the bottom to the top of the chain of command.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 21 13:24:02 Dummy, please try to understand that deep sea fishermen do not take the fishing vessel they work on home to whatever small village they are from in a pretty extensive geographical area. Fishermen work for a number of months, then the relief crew arrives and the fishermen go home for a number of months. That is how those things go.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 21 13:40:23 "Venezuelan seafood production totaled 241,000 MT in 2021" Less than half of that is "artisan" fishing, the rest is industrial. I checked (USDA report is the source). Some artisan fishing does need significant engine power to outrun fisheries inspectors. Illegal fishing is chronic due to economic hardship down there. The short of it is that you cannot count outboard engines to identify drugrunners. Yet you do. Giving the usual several hundred murdered as collateral damage to the few dozen extralegally killed ratio we know the US always has. Massmurder as a state funded activity. What fun. How many billion has this cost so far? I am sure there is a congressional report somewhere.
Forwyn rank	Wed Oct 21 15:30:10 Again, retard, you are extapolating your own deep-sea fishing practices on Caribbean industrial practice. The "industrial" you are focusing on is not the same as Norwegian industrial. Venezuela industrial: 10-50 miles, one month, snappers/sharks/catfish Norwegian industrial: 100-500 miles, 1-4 months, cod/haddock/shrimp Also this idea that crews are rotating from some platform is even more idiotic; they are docking and rotating from these large vessels; this is industry standard in both regions. There is no platform-based small-vessel crew-transfer model for fishing fleets in the Caribbean.
jergul rank	Wed Oct 21 16:00:38 Dummydumbdumb, I told you. I checked. Artisanal covers what you are describing. That represents significantly less than half of landed fish. Venezuela has a 200 mile economic zone like everyone else. The insanity you call platforms is craziness of you own design. Of course vessels rotate crew when they are landing fish at some town or another. I would call it a red herring, but it is dummydumbdumb dumb, so not worthy of the term. We have established you cannot use the number of outboard engines to ID drug runners. We know the US is rediculously careless when it comes to killing innocent people. And besides, the onus is on you to prove that every targetted vessel carried drugs. I dont have to prove people are innocent, you have to prove they are guilty. You cant because your navy is using its normal stupid "kill everyone and let god sort them out" targetting criteria and using weapons that ensure the wreckage cannot be examined for proof of drugs or lack of them.
Forwyn rank	Wed Oct 21 17:39:50 "Venezuela has a 200 mile economic zone like everyone else." Great, that doesn't mean they use it. The vast majority of Latine American crews, industrial or otherwise, are not going 200 miles offshore. "I would call it a red herring" You said they are transporting crew with go-fasts, you retard. This is not something that happens. You are a shitty liar.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Oct 21 18:01:52 "Because it was in a sea, not an ocean" Even a baboon would have learned its lesson by now. What a retard. "they are transports tying coastal towns and villages into a network so fishermen can make it home after months out fishing on proper vessels" You just made every bit of that up. That's not how fishing works. Not off Boston. Not off Halifax. Not a Japanese whaler. Certainly not off podunkville central america. Your such a dumb baboon you don't even understand how your own industry works.
Seb rank	Wed Oct 21 18:09:13 NaMBLA: So you said open Ocean, hoping to invoke an image of the North Atlantic sea state, but knowingly meaning "one of the calmer seas".
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