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Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Aug 26 09:24:48
The moderators are here to keep the forum community happy and comfortable. If at any time for any reason any of the rules or subsequent enforcement are disagreed upon, please discuss it with us and the rest of the forum. Changes will be made based only on general consensus.

The following can be subject to deletion:

1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature. Child nudity is not acceptable at all. (I realize parents like to take pictures of their naked infants. For the sake of internet predators, please keep them decent.)

2) Spam flooding.

3) Threats against the well-being or life of another member. Actions such as stalking, flaming, trolling, and harrassment will be judged on a person to person basis, but extremely obscene harrassment may be deleted before any further discussion is taken on it for the sake of keeping the peace.

4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator.

5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it.

6) Posts that the author requests to be deleted MAY be deleted. The moderators have the choice of not complying.

When posting an URL that is tasteless, obscene or inappropriate for the workspace please identify it with NWS (Not Workplace Safe) or NSFW (Not Safe For Work). This is a courtesy to our working members. THERE IS NO NEED TO GET THEM FIRED.

This is considered an adult forum, therefore adult language and adult discussion is ALLOWED and will almost CERTAINLY take place. It will be consistently assumed that minors are not privy to the content here.

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In case of emergency, break glass.

This thread is for contacting moderators when they're needed for clean-up.

Current mods:
Mad Doggie, HH Daemon Lord, HH Evenflow, Kaylana
Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Aug 26 09:25:02
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 175 Delete Fri Aug 22 17:01:21
If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, I can be contacted the following ways:

AIM: MadDoggieMD

Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
Agri
Patron
Wed Aug 27 02:51:51
ttt
saggy
Member
Wed Aug 27 02:53:36
WTF
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:34:35
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:34:46
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:34:55
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:00
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:10
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:15
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:20
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:24
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:29
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:35:38
And I'm bored. :(
Atma01
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:45:53
Is posting pointlessly in a sticky mod thread a bannable offence? I'm uh... asking for a friend. Yeah.
The Great wakka
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:46:56
It's true.

I made him ask.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Aug 27 04:47:32
Only if you also don't post nudity.
Atma01
Member
Wed Aug 27 04:49:29
I said friend not fuck toy. Get back in your box. ;) *Smacks Wakka on the ass*
The Great wakka
Member
Wed Aug 27 05:02:30
I like the box. It makes me feel like Solid Snake.
The Great wakka
Member
Wed Aug 27 05:02:46
Oh, and when I'm around Atma, I AM Solid Snake.
Atma01
Member
Wed Aug 27 06:43:02
METAL GEAR!?
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Aug 27 06:43:39
Fission Mailed
Atma01
Member
Wed Aug 27 06:44:22
HIDEO2
Atma01
Member
Wed Aug 27 07:24:26
Deja vu!
cardinal JAC
Member
Wed Aug 27 17:07:38
http://ata...boardthread?id=tank&thread=942

please delete this thread before talon reads it. thanks
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Aug 27 17:12:22
:)
IgnorantAsshole
Member
Wed Aug 27 17:56:04
^^^^^^^^^

Obvious Spam. Revoke his mod privileges, give him a D/A and a 24 ban
tumbleweed
Member
Wed Aug 27 18:20:17
(:
gir
Member
Wed Aug 27 19:04:46
:o
S.S. Failboat
Member
Wed Aug 27 22:39:40
Is it true that the mods are fluffers for TC?
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Thu Aug 28 02:26:17
FYI

TC has set up flood protection. When a user makes a thread there is now a minimum 30 second wait time before that user can make another thread.
Poison
Member
Thu Aug 28 02:42:00
Yeah and I get 100% of credit since i am responsible for making that happen. Thank me.
HH Psycho Guy
Member
Thu Aug 28 02:44:48
Didn't you leave forever?
Poison
Member
Thu Aug 28 02:46:21
I left for the entire 32 damn hours. If THAT isn't forever, I dunno what is.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Thu Aug 28 02:47:23
Yes, it has nothing to do with what we've been discussing in the mod boards for the past week. All you, man.
Poison
Member
Thu Aug 28 02:49:26
yup. all me indeed.
Atma01
Member
Thu Aug 28 03:52:16
Yay!
Damian DB
Member
Thu Aug 28 06:56:36
should make another post "mods may delete other mods posts at will"

;)
Atma01
Member
Thu Aug 28 08:25:20
Yay!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Thu Aug 28 20:14:42
Soon, you will all kneel before Zod!
Agri
Patron
Fri Aug 29 00:34:21
ttt
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 00:41:42
If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, I can be contacted the following ways:

AIM: MadDoggieMD

Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 03:36:03
People need top stop posting useless threads in the Mod threads. Really.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 03:50:49
How do you post a thread in a thread?
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 03:55:06
Fuck. Posts. You know what I mean't pigfucker. :p
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 03:58:15
"mean't?"

English, please.
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 03:58:28
There's no ' in "meant".
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 03:58:44
MD, delete your post.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 03:59:27
I don't have to speak english. I live in Australia. Beer. Beer beer beer beer. Beer. Comprende?
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:00:19
All that Foster's.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 04:01:23
Mad Doggie wins!
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:02:01
You just wait.

Wakka for mod '08.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:02:08
Anyway as I PMed Wakka i'm off to go masturbate now. Cya! :)
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:02:57
Yeah, he said that. It's an example of why I'm terrified to check private messages.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:04:05
Just remember, your still on MY penis list Wakka. ;)
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:04:51
It's "you're", buddy.
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:05:38
And yeah, your misspelling was what stood out to me in a sentence about penis lists.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:06:45
That's because in UGT, every guy has a penis list.
The Great Wakka
Member
Fri Aug 29 04:10:42
THREAD CLOSED!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 04:13:52
I was so gonna close it...

but Wakka's not people.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 04:15:46
I did close it.

I obviously care more about him than you.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 04:17:30
Obviously.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 05:21:14
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 08:13:32
God damned stupid HOers keep posting pointless shit in this thread. You guys need to stop it seriously. Sirlsly u guys. U guys. Sirlsly.
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 08:33:24
This is serious stuff. I am totally serial.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 08:38:07
But are you super super cereal!?

And I am tired of DL's idleness. HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS.
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 08:43:20
If we get to customize titles, I'm changing DL to ManBearPig
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Aug 29 12:24:24
OBJECTION!

i own the copyright on all swine-related handles around here.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Aug 29 16:17:19
Can someone add Poison's latest rant to his stickied/closed thread? I think we should keep a record of all the ridiculous emo rants he goes on.
Damian DB
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 17:08:31
Orly?
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 17:48:29
YA RLY
Ehcks
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:31:31
Anyone know why I can't post paragraphs? If I type a post with a use of the Enter key, everything after that point is just cut off when I try to post it.
Ehcks
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:38:12
Continuation: All posts that I saw before that used line breaks are cut off after the first one. And apparently Keane has the same problem now.
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:39:18
testing
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:39:24
same here
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:46:49
I blame your idleness.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:47:17
WTF? That lame. Oh and, HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS.
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 18:47:28
I told the admin, he'll prolly see it when he stops trying to get the Swede code to work.
Atma01
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:54:25
I blame Mad Cat. She has gone way to far this time.
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 18:57:03
He sees it, and is working on it.
Ehcks
Member
Fri Aug 29 18:59:35
Well, all the text came back, but it still won't let me make new posts with paragraphs. I'll try again.
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 19:01:47
Should work now.
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 19:02:05
Cept that it doesn't!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Aug 29 19:04:15
it workes retroactively, i think. meaning you will not be able to read...
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 19:22:20
Now it should work.

For real.
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 19:30:23
Still?

Yessum.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Aug 29 19:31:09
rawr

rawr2
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Aug 29 23:13:53
If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways:

AIM: PsychLemur
ErectileDysfunction
Member
Fri Aug 29 23:44:49
ur an dumb swed
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sat Aug 30 02:48:49
shameful Psycho Guy, trying to pick people up through UGT.
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:26:22
http://ata...thread=1181&time=1220080305224
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:26:44
http://ata...thread=1180&time=1220081896021
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:27:16
http://ata...thread=1174&time=1220076142537
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:27:41
http://ata...thread=1166&time=1220078017240
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:28:21
http://ata...thread=1170&time=1220075599693
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 03:32:11
http://ata...thread=1183&time=1220083950334


can we try and delete all threads with blatant racism? we are not UP
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Sat Aug 30 05:40:03
I deleted a couple of the threads you posted, card.

I'm going to bring up racism in the mod board. I know Kay brought it up once in here but nothing was ever done about it.
Agri
Patron
Sat Aug 30 05:41:52
there's a secret mod board? :o
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Aug 30 05:45:21
I can confirm that yes, yes there is. I've only ever seen little glimpses of it, but it exists, that holy ground for Moderators, too good for the rest of us! ^.^
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Sat Aug 30 05:45:30
Maybe.
cardinal JAC
Member
Sat Aug 30 06:02:46
thanks
Damian DB
Moderator
Sat Aug 30 07:55:52
it's where all the good porn is...
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sat Aug 30 11:24:13
'I'm going to bring up racism in the mod board. I know Kay brought it up once in here but nothing was ever done about it. '

ok, so we can't bitch about whites, but what about speciesism? I don't like the apes that mimic humans, like niggers, or spics, or chinks.
Poison
Member
Sat Aug 30 11:43:31
"4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator. "

can you explain this rule in detail please? Like, does it mean a person needs to get a permission from the original poster when quoting? Just needs some clarification.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:17:30
And there is Poison being a little bitch again.
pillz
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:19:52
It's all those chinese are good for.
Poison
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:24:24
how's that being a little bitch? explain.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:26:21
"4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator."

the word "used" can generally be taken to mean "modify, alter, or reproduce out of context."

for example, if you posted a picture of yourself and then someone else shopped your face into black on azn gay porn.... that would be a no go. it would be a no go IF you objected or if its plainly obvious that you would object to it if online.

but me photoshopping a picture of baby WoO onto a cute/funny UGT Band picture would be ok - unless WoO objected.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:27:01
Well, it's one of two things.

It could be you being incredibly stupid and seriously having to ask the question you asked. While I admit it's possible, there really aren't that many people alive who are so hopelessly stupid.

If it is the second, then you should not have to ask a ridiculous question like you asked. In that case, you're just trying to stir the pot again like a little bitch.
Poison
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:27:39
I see, so that rule only pertains to pictures?
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:30:33
"Poison
Member
Total Posts: 1248 Sat Aug 30 12:27:39
I see, so that rule only pertains to porn featuring animals and kiddy porn is ok?"

it would also apply to what i just did to your statement :)
Poison
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:32:50
hmm in that context, what Agri does on regular basis (copying what other poster wrote and altering it to make it funny) would be considered against rule?
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:37:08
IF the person who posted the origional content objects (or, in the mods opinion, will probably clearly object as soon as they come online).

and IF it actually is taken significantly out of context or actually modified in such a way as to fundamentally change the meaning.

then yes, my understanding is that it would apply just as much to the Text of John UGTer as to the Pictures of John UGTer.

i cant speak for mods, but we (esp me) beat this dead horse for several hours a while back.... and this is my best understanding of what that means.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:39:45
"5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it."

when combined with that rule, im pretty sure the intent is that you cant put words in someone elses mouth and try to pass it off as legit.

unless its really funny and/or no one that is part of our community objects... like the satirical pictures where i imply that OMAC = Stalin.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:44:40
http://i10...thpiglite/omacannouncement.jpg

if Roisin was part of this community
and
if Roisin seriously objected to the mods (or a mod saw 1st it and was certain Roisin would object)

then that would not be allowed here.

as it is, she is not part of our community so to bad for her.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Aug 30 12:47:20
A lot of these rules and rule enforcements are going to be based on common sense. For those who don't have any, you're just going to have to rely on the mods.
Poison
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:48:44
Ok I get it now.

So I conclude, whatever Agri is doing is not unruleful.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Aug 30 12:49:43
She's talking to you, Poison.
Agri
Patron
Sat Aug 30 14:05:29
What about me?
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Sat Aug 30 14:16:00
You're Dutch.
Agri
Patron
Sat Aug 30 14:21:56
True.

And I like it!
Atma01
Member
Sun Aug 31 06:46:46
*Pointless spam of laziness*
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Sun Aug 31 07:04:59
cool dude
Atma01
Member
Sun Aug 31 07:39:09
*Lazy spam*
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 11:41:50
How does it feel to be a homosexual?
tumbleweed
Member
Sun Aug 31 11:44:25
you feel attracted to the same sex instead of opposite
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 11:46:39
I guess that one was obvious. It was kind of meant to ask the mods how they feel about their own homosexuality though
tumbleweed
Member
Sun Aug 31 12:40:36
Ohhhhhhhh.... i get it now
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Sun Aug 31 14:26:14
Don't feel bad Tumbleweed. Nobody could have known that was supposed to be funny.
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 14:58:28
the thing is, it wasn't supposed to be funny. Its a serious question.
tumbleweed
Member
Sun Aug 31 15:02:41
i'm not sure any are actually homosexual... you may need to compare your feelings with illuminated, octopia or cardinal
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 15:05:53
I need the info for my new scientific book, entitled 'Nigger, Spics, Chinks, Homos, and other genetic abberations'
tumbleweed
Member
Sun Aug 31 15:07:28
Billah is your man then
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 15:10:20
thank you for the lead
tumbleweed
Member
Sun Aug 31 15:28:03
sure thing, fail


Note: *disapproves of the racism and doesnt really mind Billah*
Ronald Reagan
Member
Sun Aug 31 18:18:38
Kaylana is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan
Member
Sun Aug 31 18:18:49
Mad Doggie is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan
Member
Sun Aug 31 18:19:01
HH Psycho Guy is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan
Member
Sun Aug 31 18:19:16
HH Evenflow is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 31 19:30:10
Fucking HOer shits can kill themselves.
S.S. Failboat
Member
Sun Aug 31 19:56:40
That jealous of the HOers rugian? You have to insult them daily because you feel left out?
HH Evenflow
Moderator
Sun Aug 31 20:53:35
He's having a cry cause I keep deleting him by mistake.

Been having that same cry for a few days now, I'm starting to worry about him.
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 01 03:59:21
*Spam*
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 01 06:26:47
Stop posting useless spam in the mod threads Atma!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 01 06:31:26
Someone get out the tentacle raping girl. We'll teach Atma by having this sexy young Japanese schoolgirl raped by tentacles every time he slips up like that. It's especially horrifying because, even thought he fights at the beginning, about 20 seconds in she really starts to love it.
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 01 06:33:40
Ahem....
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Spam*
*Explodes in pants*
Damian DB
Moderator
Mon Sep 01 07:09:28
If there's ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, your all more than welcome to contact PG.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 01 08:03:34
I live to serve, as long as I'm not at work. Or looking for things to go in my huge notepad file of links to send to people that are irking me.
Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 02 05:34:31
HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 02 07:28:45
The people must know dammit!

HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 02 19:56:33
I'm cool. soo.. I added you- kimino83
Ronald Reagan
Member
Tue Sep 02 23:42:39
why did you delete my link? I labeled it NSFW
Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Sep 02 23:43:22
The following can be subject to deletion:

1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature.
Ronald Reagan
Member
Tue Sep 02 23:44:59
oh crap, I'm sorry, I didn't realize the rules were different from forum to forum.
Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Sep 02 23:47:27
S'alright, no harm done. We're still adjusting the gears as we go.
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 03 04:25:35
IDLENESS! HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS!
Master Splinter
Member
Thu Sep 04 00:53:59
STFU and GTFO dumb HOers!
tumbleweed
Member
Thu Sep 04 01:05:08
and what makes us HOers?
Master Splinter
Member
Thu Sep 04 01:07:32
i don't know.
Poison
Member
Thu Sep 04 01:26:12
Can you reopen the Palm Reading Thread?
I wanted my palm and the spammer had to mess it up...
Master Splinter
Member
Thu Sep 04 01:27:46
its right at the top douche
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 04 04:16:13
Hey! Only Atma may spam the Rules thread! Out with you!

HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb
Member
Thu Sep 04 07:56:24
If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways:
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 05 03:48:01
7) No posting useless posts in the Rules thread unless you are Atma.

8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 04:17:59
I should delete you Atma!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 05:04:33
*tentacling schoolgirl gets ravaged again*
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 05 06:35:53
You should but you're to inactive to do anything! Ooooo.... burn.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 06:59:14
*japanese schoolgirl gets ravaged yet again by the tentacle creature*

Damn it, Atma! Feel guilt for what happens to this poor girl and stop it!
S.S. Failboat
Member
Fri Sep 05 09:20:59
'8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS '


Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic.
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 05 09:37:37
Needs moar ravashing.

And moar METAL BOXES!
Paramoυnt
New Member
Fri Sep 05 11:29:16
betal moxes, lol
Paramoυnt
Member
Fri Sep 05 11:29:37
moar?
Mυslim
New Member
Fri Sep 05 11:33:27
yes, moar!
superdυde
New Member
Fri Sep 05 11:54:23
hmm
Hot Rοd
New Member
Fri Sep 05 13:44:38
hey
Pοison
New Member
Fri Sep 05 13:49:09
hmm
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Sep 05 14:27:15
Kayimposter over in UP.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 14:28:43
You'll have to report in in their mod thread, UGT mods can't mod the other forum and vice versa.
poison
Member
Fri Sep 05 14:28:58
Dude there's Poison imposter.. and the problem is he's actually really good at acting like me..

:(
KayIana
Member
Fri Sep 05 14:29:30
waaaaaa

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5137/kaylanaet7.png

if you put a bag on my head a guy might do me.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 14:32:49
I've been deleting imposter posts on sight over here, but UP is much more lenient with them. You'd have to convince one of the mods over there to help you out.

Although with the way you've acted over there? Good luck.
Pοison
Member
Fri Sep 05 14:33:22
:(
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 14:45:47
p?ison
pοison
Member
Fri Sep 05 14:53:19
I appreciate you taking the time to delete my imposter's threads and posts, MD.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Sep 05 15:07:53
??

lol im far more civil than most UPers...
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 05 15:09:04
I was talking to poison in my last post.
pοison
Member
Fri Sep 05 15:12:50
huh?
pοison
Member
Fri Sep 05 15:12:57
oh
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Fri Sep 05 15:30:42
fair enough ;)
Pοison
Member
Fri Sep 05 17:54:02
my imposter is back
Karl Rove 
New Member
Fri Sep 05 19:59:13
Not fair enough.
river of blood 
New Member
Fri Sep 05 19:59:50
^ evil
pillz 
New Member
Fri Sep 05 20:15:18
yeah
pillz
Member
Fri Sep 05 20:28:53
Wow, I got an imposter! =D
Turtle Crawler 
New Member
Fri Sep 05 20:33:09
no shit
S.S. Failboat 
New Member
Fri Sep 05 21:17:36
j
Atma01
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Fri Sep 05 22:38:40
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Mon Sep 08 21:33:58

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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Mon Sep 08 21:34:03

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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

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Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32
He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57
I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29
You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37
so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51
O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47
Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14
Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45
Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07
source?
incognito
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Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25
yo momma
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01
incorrect.
Real Fred
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Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33
" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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ample.parking
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Mon Sep 08 21:34:09

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Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42
So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored.

Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored.

So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN.

FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened.
Mad Doggie
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Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14
tldr
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50
This post is full of disgusting misogynism.

You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands.

In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light.

With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit.

And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it.

While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25
"Fucking tired of woman drivers"

says the fucking asian?!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50
(yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08
k, read your post.

"on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph"

fucking PROOF.

gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53
Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51
Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10
8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off.

Got to calm down Poison, stress kills.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16
hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist."
repel
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Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31
do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42
Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02
Kaylana, deal with it.

it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving.

Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13
Mmhm, source?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

From the article:

"Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.
Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.
Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.
Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information."

"The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.
Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects."

""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."



Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21
Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/05/women_better_drivers_than_men.html

Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today.

The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data.

AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's.

“Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals.

“Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars.

http://www.insurance.com/article.aspx/are_men_better_drivers_than_women/artid/259

So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.

http://www.blogbydonna.com/post/2008/08/Who-Is-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx

(Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.)
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26
"Mmhm, source?"

if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count?

;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml

This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45
""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16
Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof.

And you didn't disappoint.

Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30
Try this link"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53
so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45
"Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving."

Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04
"so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?"

I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51
kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02
and driving 60 in the fast lane.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28
Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45
If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful.

And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive.

But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives.

And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing.

But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03
" I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway"

I posted up a working link.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30
As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car.

Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian).

Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04
The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17
well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34
Poison-

"you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574402/Women-and-gay-men-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html

This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46
No SStrickland.

Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea.

she's not a fine creature. sorry.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28
Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is.

And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
Ah that's not the link you originally posted.

And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish.

But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances.
Random UGTer
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Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24
interesting comment on that article.

This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml

It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26
you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24
I actually rejected the premise of the article.

Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed.
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46
"The ability to navigate is a seperate skill."

Navigation skill and driving skill are all related.

You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.

All related.
Still Well
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Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05
"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc.
"

So your saying men react better than women to pressure?
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10
How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43
"Navigation skill and driving skill are all related."

Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time.

The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction.

"You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc."

Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18
Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue.

I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37
Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42
Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52
Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop.
I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years.
And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should.
I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake.

But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do.

So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44
I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38
The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33
"And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)"

Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not.

Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52
"Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man.

Allow me to reiterate two separate things-
1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic.
2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43
Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need.
QAG
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Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24
Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man.
Ehcks
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Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06
I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01
"motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle."

ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10
Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on.
Nobody
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Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44
EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota.
But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27
""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. "

What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. "

Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant:

Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18
"Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then"

"Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals."

Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate:

"Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "


This one is debatable:

"Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman.


But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05
Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill".

But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up.

---

Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article.

"This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life."
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03
And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers.

What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with.

I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other.

We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18
You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism.
Wrath of Orion
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He's just trolling like a little bitch.
Kaylana
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I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life.
TalonsWordsOfWisdom
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You are correct Kaylana
Wrath of Orion
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Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38
Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit.
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23
Well that does make sense, you could be right.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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so you concede that you are a femanazi?

sfw:
http://www.ghostdroppings.com/images/photodroppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg
Kaylana
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Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59
Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly.
gir
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Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42
Isn't Poison a girl?
poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05
Kaylana, I like you.

But you are wrong.
SStrickland
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Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34
"Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. "

Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
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O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later.
Ubes JAC
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Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18
Hahhaah!

I was gonna point out the asian thing too...

Damn EP...
Let The Boy Try
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Damn Asian Drivers.
poison
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Asians invented drifting.
incognito
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Asians invented homosexuality.
poison
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source?
incognito
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yo momma
poison
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incorrect.
Real Fred
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" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit.
Poison
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Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40
"" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. "

Bullshit. "

First time agreeing with your RF.

I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars.

Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law.
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Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what?
James T kirk
New Member
Mon Sep 08 21:48:59
Mon Sep 08 21:45:50
Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02
TRIPLE POST

O owe is me?
Firestorm Phoenix
Member
Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42
Your connection is the crap then.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09
Refresh is a bitch.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28
Triple post? TRIPLE post!?

WHERE?

*readies the delete*
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39
No no, all unique posts.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22
http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968

Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25
...oh

:(

*unmans the harpoons*
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57
*mans the poons*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31
Aaaand saved.
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07
^^^ lol gay
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24
Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27
NO U
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28
Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15
I SAW that, MD!! =P
pillz
Member
Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36
Nazi mod nazi mod!!!
*sounds alarms*
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35
Saw what?
ample.parking
Member
Mon Sep 08 22:28:15
^^^^

Gay Swede
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Mon Sep 08 22:58:45
I wonder how long it will take it to realize the thread has been deleted.
krazy kat
Member
Mon Sep 08 23:00:04
but u can stil lsee it though.. juz cant post
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Sep 08 23:00:05
Could have just left it closed, I only opened it again to check to see if it was running a script.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Mon Sep 08 23:00:58
Naw, it'll stay busy in a thread no one can see.

lulz.
Kaylana.
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Tue Sep 09 00:06:23
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2) Spam flooding.

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Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
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Tue Sep 09 00:07:13
If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways:

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Atma01
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9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
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Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Sep 09 18:45:53
reset
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 10 03:47:28
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Brian
Member
Wed Sep 10 04:50:42
GET OUT OF MY THREAD, FUCKERS!!!

lol
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 10 07:11:20
ttt
The Great Wakka
Member
Wed Sep 10 21:49:29
If none of them are on and you need something deleted, let me know:

AIM: Wakkalolz
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Sep 10 21:54:54
MadDoggieMD: I need something deleted.
Wakkalolz: $19.99

SCAM

I'll do it for half that much.
The Great Wakka
Member
Wed Sep 10 22:14:02
And he doesn't delete HALF as good as me!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Sep 10 22:31:19
"And he doesn't delete HALF as good as me!"

What was that?
The Great Wakka
Member
Wed Sep 10 22:32:44
I deleted it, see.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Sep 10 22:34:10
I see what you did there.
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 11 03:38:33
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Sep 11 03:44:54
ttt
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 03:34:01
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 06:55:42
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Sep 12 09:47:20
Saggy: Deleted your thread so it doesn't compromise a certain something.
Agri
Patron
Fri Sep 12 10:26:03
Your love for Poison?
Kill A Commie
Member
Fri Sep 12 10:36:20
Kaylana loves Poison!
Ubes JAC
Member
Fri Sep 12 15:13:38
Now I wanna know what it was...
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Sep 12 15:17:12
What IS your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery??
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:04:17
Pillz is way too angry. All his posts are insults toward me and he acts like he's gonna murder me if he sees me. Please do something about him.
pillz
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:23:35
Why don't you call the FBI?

Oh, and while you're at it why don't you provide them with evidence of your stalking?
Ubes JAC
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:33:03
Fuck you pillz, I'm gonna call the FBI first! NAH NAH!!
pillz
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:35:09
Poison has them on speeddial.
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:40:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPthu1PDkCY
pillz
Member
Fri Sep 12 18:42:22
='(
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 20:28:48
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 23:24:45
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 23:42:42
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

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Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 12 23:47:39
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

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Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 05:06:51
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 05:17:10
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 05:17:38
The people must know of Rule 8!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Sat Sep 13 05:20:29
Okay.
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 05:24:54
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 05:29:11
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 07:12:40
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb
Member
Sat Sep 13 09:07:29
Wait, Who is inactive?
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Sat Sep 13 15:47:36
TC is now working on a solution for the Poison issue.

There is now flood protection for posts as well as threads. 30 second wait time for new threads and now there is a wait time for making posts as well. No more holding F5.
Poison
Member
Sat Sep 13 22:19:28
Master Bates wrote an extremely obscene disturbing graphical post that's mean to harrass me to its fullest:

"Poison, what you need is for you to see your little yellow chink whore mom's throat slit by a gang of crack chinks and then fucked in the throat while she bubbles and gasps because she cant scream anymore, Of course, your chink slit-eye lids need to be sliced off first so you can't close your chink slits. This is right before you get forced to lick her dead chink cunt while your ears, nose, tiny little chink clitoris of a yellowing get hacked off, and then stabbed in the face until you are dead.

I suggest this out of friendliness because we all know you will feel better than you do now once your filthy yellow chink corpse is rotting in the ground. "

Please do something about it. This is digusting.
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 13 23:45:10
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Sep 14 00:02:50
"GUITAAAAAAAAAAAR!"
-Dragon Eye Morrison
poison
Member
Sun Sep 14 00:07:24
*posts a useless post*

*waits for the consequence*
Polonium
Member
Sun Sep 14 01:24:37
poison is bad for u
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 14 07:06:49
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS

10) MD's action are futile.
Agri
Patron
Sun Sep 14 07:39:24
ttt
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 15 01:51:50
ttt
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 15 02:13:24
How did this get unstickied?
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 02:38:50
I have returned it to its glory!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 02:40:00
*cheer*
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 03:41:29
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 04:21:58
*cheer*
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 15 04:30:14
ttt
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 06:02:29
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 06:02:29
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8) DL is inactive.

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Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 06:02:42
Whoops. Double post.
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 06:15:09
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Atma01
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Mon Sep 15 06:23:16
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Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 15 06:41:27
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HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 14:57:40
The delete spam button is very fun.
tumbleweed
Member
Mon Sep 15 14:58:55
nazi
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Sep 15 18:43:26
nazi
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 18:46:17
sigh
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Sep 15 18:49:05
Nazi
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Sep 15 19:04:18
Izan
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Sep 15 19:12:11
This is all about job creation.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Sep 15 19:16:05
Closed on account of Ubes.
Total Eclipse
Member
Tue Sep 16 00:03:21
god damn it
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 01:45:39
Job creation ftw!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 01:48:07
Whatchyou talkin bout Ubes?
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 01:52:12
I'm creating work for you all.

Some mod will nazi-lete my posts, and I'm just making them feel good about their jobs.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 01:54:43
Ah, thanks.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 01:55:51
So.... whats up?
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 01:56:11
Just chillin'.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 02:00:58
Ya I'm good too, thanks for asking.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 02:02:33
Oh, right, I'm supposed to feign interest in the common people.

So, uh...how's Canada?
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 02:02:59
This relationship is over.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 02:05:31
k.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 02:06:23
I want my stuff back though.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 02:10:05
Receipts plz.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 16 02:11:32
Fuck..
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 02:12:01
k bye.
Atma01
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Tue Sep 16 03:36:27
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Atma01
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Tue Sep 16 03:53:00
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Atma01
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Tue Sep 16 03:54:32
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Atma01
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Tue Sep 16 03:55:49
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Atma01
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Tue Sep 16 03:56:27
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HH Psycho Guy
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Tue Sep 16 06:26:23
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Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 16 06:52:43
Moral victory!

*Gives PG a scooby snack*
Agri
Patron
Tue Sep 16 06:56:37
ttt
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 16 06:56:48
w00t!
Agri
Patron
Tue Sep 16 07:14:00
yay!
Keane BEWBS
Member
Tue Sep 16 13:34:02
*Flashes*
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 17 03:40:30
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Atma01
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Wed Sep 17 03:49:58
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:04:17
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:06:49
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:09:45
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:40:17
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:43:41
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 04:46:15
By the power vested in me, I welcome Eikey's Ghost, OFFICIAL GTer!
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 04:46:19
oh fuck
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Sep 17 04:46:55
GOOD ONE
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 04:47:24
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:47:48
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 04:48:44
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 04:48:55
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9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Sep 17 04:48:58
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 04:49:05
yayaya!

<3
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 05:04:25
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8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 05:04:34
(you didn't think I was gone, did you?)
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 05:05:11
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Agri
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Wed Sep 17 05:06:38
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 05:07:10
Hi there!

I'm watching tv, and will be for a few more hours! Meanwhile, I'm posting here!

Bye!
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 05:11:58
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8) DL is inactive.

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Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 17 06:22:43
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 06:34:53
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Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 17 06:36:53
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Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Sep 17 20:05:19
blahblahblah
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:12
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:33
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:36
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
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Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:44
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:47
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:50
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:47:52
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
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This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:48:35
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:49:16
THIS IS SPAM
Ubes JAC
Member
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This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:49:51
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:49:54
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:49:59
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
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This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
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This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:50:20
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:50:23
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:50:35
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:51:21
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:51:35
This might be spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:51:52
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:51:58
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:03
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:24
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:27
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:29
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:38
ctrl+v
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:52:45
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:53:21
This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:53:41
Foiled!
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:54:55
33 posts must be a record.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 18 01:56:16
*breaks glass*

uh.. there's uh.. someone spamming stuff.. and it needs to be taken care of.
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 18 03:50:43
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 18 05:19:01
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 18 06:23:46
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
TiaKatt DB
Member
Thu Sep 18 07:20:02
10) All the mods are nazis who suck ^.^

11) TK does not have to follow the rules!
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 18 07:29:24
12) Thou shalt pause after a Tia post

13) ???

14) Profit!
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Thu Sep 18 07:35:23
15) no gay sex at walmart
16) Atma has sex with men
17) DL IS GOD
TiaKatt DB
Member
Thu Sep 18 07:38:50
18) YOU WILL REGRET THIS DECISION
Agri
Patron
Thu Sep 18 07:54:06
19) Bacon
Saggy
Member
Thu Sep 18 09:24:31
20)I feel like including myseld
Saggy
Member
Thu Sep 18 09:24:40
21)***myself!
McKobb
Member
Thu Sep 18 09:46:18
22) Saggy
Agri
Patron
Thu Sep 18 11:41:41
23) Penis
TheGrimReaper
Member
Thu Sep 18 14:03:32
24) The rivers will flow. Oh how they will flow.
repel
Member
Thu Sep 18 14:46:59
25) Dorks will win survivor!
NightBloom
Member
Thu Sep 18 14:53:38
26) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NO. :P
repel
Member
Thu Sep 18 14:56:37
27) NB will never post in a mod thread again, because she broke it!
Kaylana
Moderator
Thu Sep 18 16:43:06
test
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 19 03:58:03
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 19 08:07:29
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 19 12:13:38
douchebag alert.
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Sep 19 12:21:23
i think you should preface all your comments that way
pillz sdanwmu
Member
Fri Sep 19 17:36:44
rofl
pillz sdanwmu
Member
Fri Sep 19 17:39:25
Kay went all Nazi on my post =(
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Sep 19 17:39:48
2) Spam flooding.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Sep 19 17:40:40
It's far past time to effectively ban Poison from this forum, as well.
repel
Member
Fri Sep 19 17:44:44
Nooooo! Kay unbacconed a thread, the horror...


;)
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Sep 19 17:45:30
BACON
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Sep 19 20:12:11
7) O'Doyle Rules!
tumbleweed
Member
Fri Sep 19 20:13:10
hmm... actually i guess just...

7) O'Doyle

Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 19 23:53:00
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 20 07:32:00
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Sat Sep 20 07:39:08
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 20 07:58:17
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Sat Sep 20 07:58:51
*agrees*
Atma01
Member
Sat Sep 20 08:18:00
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:04:27
SPAM
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:04:38
SPAMMITY!
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:04:42
SPAM
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:04:47
SPAM
pillz
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:05:25
bacon
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:06:36
bacony spam
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:13:40
lklkj;kl;kl;l;;;lk;lk;lk;lk;lk;l;kl;kl;kl;kl;kl;klk;l;kl;kl;kl;kl;kl;klk;lk;lk;lk;lk;kl;lk;kl;kl;kl;lk;kl;kl;klllllllk;kk;kkl;k;k;lk;lk;lk;lklk;ll;kl;kk;l;lkl;kk;kl
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Sep 20 15:14:01
Cool!
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Sep 20 21:02:37
7) Saturdays will always be really inactive. =(
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 21 00:03:03
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sun Sep 21 00:35:38
Teoll me why I have so many more posts then you Atma!
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 21 02:22:59
Because you won't stop talking about yourself you noob. Go back to the HO!
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 21 07:07:34
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Keane BEWBS
Member
Sun Sep 21 07:36:01
*Idles*
Agri
Patron
Sun Sep 21 12:21:30
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
SStrickland
Member
Sun Sep 21 14:00:47
10) Everyone is equal, but Poison is far less equal than everyone else
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 22 00:55:06
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 22 07:01:27
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb
Member
Mon Sep 22 07:53:07
Remove my Venezuela thread! Meant for politics :P
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 22 07:58:51
plz don't! Politics threads in here are okay because there's less idiots here :P
McKobb
Member
Mon Sep 22 08:09:16
You just want Chavez!
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 22 08:18:21
No I don't!

I told you I'm more into girls! Like Argentina!

Though I'd prefer about 30 years younger and 30 times closer to home :P
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 22 09:39:33
*Hoists BEWBS Flag*

~( * Y * )~
Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 23 04:26:45
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 23 06:45:15
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Keane BEWBS
Member
Tue Sep 23 07:05:24
*Flashes NERD Signal so it's visible EVERYWHERE*

~~E=MC2~~

NERDS! To the NERD CAVE!!!
Agri
Patron
Tue Sep 23 07:06:27
Something's not right there!
Penultimate
Member
Tue Sep 23 12:57:24
These are our mods? what crazy backward world is this?!
MadamMayhem
Member
Tue Sep 23 12:59:38
I changed my mind. Instead of using Penulimate, I'll use this until I get my name back with the space intact. *grumble*
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 23 18:33:19
They're all inactive anyways,
The Great Wakka
Member
Tue Sep 23 23:20:56
Especially DL.
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Wed Sep 24 01:42:03
ITS A LIE!
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 24 03:36:58
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 24 04:31:12
ttt
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 24 06:00:51
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 24 07:10:54
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 24 07:12:38
www.recomic.net
Atma01
Member
Wed Sep 24 07:13:03
Whoops. Mean't to post;

7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Wed Sep 24 16:33:33
ttt
Agri
Patron
Thu Sep 25 00:46:37
ttt
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 25 04:12:24
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 25 06:27:21
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Sep 25 06:35:38
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Sep 25 08:49:24
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 25 21:29:53
What's with the Poison deletions?
gir
Member
Thu Sep 25 21:34:39
md going sane
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 25 21:53:43
So? anyone?
SStrickland
Member
Thu Sep 25 21:57:10
Ubes tickling Poisons balls. I knew I'd see the day!
Keane BEWBS
Member
Thu Sep 25 22:30:31
*Is grandly amused by this upheaval*
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Sep 25 23:55:43
Disliking Poison, always fun. Not being able to read complete threads, not fun.
Atma01
Member
Fri Sep 26 04:50:40
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 26 09:08:55
Wasn't me. This time.
gir
Member
Fri Sep 26 10:57:07
You said that everytime I got pregnant!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Fri Sep 26 11:11:57
And half the time it was true!
gir
Member
Fri Sep 26 14:55:34
LIES!!! *slams door*
Nobody
Member
Fri Sep 26 14:59:48
Its sad when the mod thread is the most active.
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 26 16:55:27
Please delete PoiZon (aka eikey) off from this board.
Eikeys Ghost
Sports Mod
Fri Sep 26 17:01:58
"PoiZon (aka eikey)"

incorrect.

it's not me.
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:02:41
that is you, you liar.

stop multi-spamming the board and gtfo of ugt you no life loser.
SStrickland
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:05:07
"I cant wait till next semester when I can meet friends that are like Cardinal and Ubes!"

"I consider myself a fashionista"

"I am a virgin."

"What does pussy taste like?"

"I am so socially successful!"

Just a few quotes from the precious memories album.
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:08:30
""I cant wait till next semester when I can meet friends that are like Cardinal and Ubes!" "

Not quite. Next time when you quote, don't make things up.

""I consider myself a fashionista""

Which is true.

""I am a virgin." "

This is still questionable as I was ready to get into discussion about virginity until eikey decide to poke fun at multi-spamming the thread.

""What does pussy taste like?" "

I've always had in my notion that you were subpar when it comes to reading comprehension but never to the extent that you aren't able to tell the difference between "s" and "z". So now I deem you illiterate as you have proven yourself to be.

""I am so socially successful!" "

True.

I'll give you 2.5/5, which is a Fail. NT though.


Eikeys Ghost
Sports Mod
Fri Sep 26 17:09:36
"stop multi-spamming the board and gtfo of ugt you no life loser. "

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. He's black.


I'm not a multi spammer you illiterate piece of cali-trash.
Poizon
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:11:32
I have like dozens and dozens of contacts in my phone so I am socially successful!

They're mostly numbers I read off business cards though........ ohhh slf pwn..... :(
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:15:19
"I'm not a multi spammer you illiterate piece of cali-trash"

He talks like you. a poor imitation of what you aspire to be in the future. cover's blown, eikey. just stfu and go back to your Sports hole and jerk off talking about men in tight uniforms jumping on top of each other, u fucking fag.
Eikeys Ghost
Sports Mod
Fri Sep 26 17:19:05
not only are you illiterate - you are stupid too.

my 'cover' is not 'blown'. the only thing blown, is your boyfriend, while you cry.

and you've said you like soccer - it'll take me 4 seconds to find full out fag scenes of soccer players.



you are so retarded.
Poison
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:20:50
"it'll take me 4 seconds to find full out fag scenes of soccer players. "

Incorrect. They don't dress up in fag uniforms to play the game.
SStrickland
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:26:26
"just stfu and go back to your Sports hole and jerk off talking about men in tight uniforms jumping on top of each other,"

"Incorrect. They [soccer players] don't dress up in fag uniforms to play the game."
Sigfreed
Member
Fri Sep 26 17:27:51
U GUYS BETTER LEAVE POISON ALONE. HE IS KEWL AND WE ARE REALLY REALLY GOOD FRIENDS I LIKE POISON A LOT SO PLZ LEAVE HIM ALONE WE R GOOD BUD BUDS!
Agri
Patron
Fri Sep 26 18:18:30
ttt
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Sat Sep 27 13:24:05
please delete teh thread-breaking 5000-hearts-post by poison in the following thread:

"Interesting War vs a UPer about to begin"
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Sat Sep 27 13:51:59
Bad-um-bam
Agri
Patron
Sat Sep 27 16:33:00
ttt
Keane BEWBS
Member
Sat Sep 27 20:01:48
Rule #1:

Only Keane is allowed make purposeless threads with a purpose!
pillz
Member
Sat Sep 27 20:20:12
ttt
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Sep 28 01:48:40
KISS KISS FALL IN LOVE!
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 28 04:00:03
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sun Sep 28 08:04:57
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb
Member
Sun Sep 28 08:21:02
ttt
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 29 03:14:52
ttt
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 29 04:15:55
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Sep 29 06:22:26
ttt
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 29 06:47:37
BANG!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Mon Sep 29 06:48:43
I see what you did there.
Agri
Patron
Mon Sep 29 06:50:18
Yeah!

And don't you dare deleting my post!
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Mon Sep 29 06:51:17
What post?
Atma01
Member
Mon Sep 29 07:44:31
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 29 21:49:36
TC...weirdness here...

Remember when I had that double-posted thread a couple days ago?

The reson that started was I tried to post & ended up in a white screen. Well that's STILL happening. Every single time I try to post, it goes to a white screen. Then I have to go back to the root & enter the site again. Even happens when I try to log in.

I've screwed with my settings here....got this site currently on full trust, not blocking anything....but nothing's fixing it.

And this is the ONLY site I visit that this happens on.

Any ideas?
TiaKatt DB
Member
Mon Sep 29 21:58:36
TC mentioned an intermediate page like Swirve had before coming back here, happens automatically.

Doesn't seem to be happening to anyone else.

Is anything preventing redirect?
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 29 22:31:06
This is what is showing when I view the source Code on the 'white screen':




<html><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0; URL=boardthread?id=tank&thread=3672"></head></html>
TiaKatt DB
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:25:47
Right, TC uses a meta refresh with a timer of 0 seconds to immediately reload the page for us automatically when we post.

It's a pretty typical redirect page. Often these pages have something like a 3-5 second timer and say "We've moved to (url). Click HERE if you are not redirected automatically."

This page just happens to be blank. He should probably add a link to it like the above example.

Internet Exploder often has some problems with meta refreshes, btw. But it was working for you before, yes? Figure out what you changed around the time it stopped working.

You may want to do this:

In Internet Explorer 6 and 7: go to Tools ? Internet options ? Security tab ? Custom Level button ? Miscellaneous category ? set "Allow META REFRESH"
TiaKatt DB
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:26:51
Not sure why that would be changed, but maybe you played with your security settings like putting them to one of the default settings for a moment to check something and lost custom ones. Who knows.
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:29:51
Testing...1...2...3
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:32:12
Ok...I got it...TY TK!

No it was the addy itself wasn't properly registering in my trusted zone, where I thought I had it assigned.

Now the site is there & working, but the old addy in port form is refusing to be erased.....got some sorta fluke going on there...gonna hafta dig into my registry.

=(
tumbleweed
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:33:42
these are both this board, maybe one will work better than other:

http://atarchive.dyndns.org:8080/UtopiaForums/boardroot

http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/UtopiaForums/boardroot
Keane BEWBS
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:37:16
What I had in my Trusted zone was this:

atarchive.dyndns.org:8080


BUT...what I needed to have in there was this:


atarchive.dyndns.org


IE8 puked on the port!


It'a all good now...
TiaKatt DB
Member
Mon Sep 29 23:46:05
He should add a link to that page anyway. Not all browsers necessarily like meta-refresh.

It wouldn't be any more work for users with a browser like that than it was at Swirve, where we had to basically click a link to return to the thread anyway.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Sep 29 23:53:22
And he should set it up so that Wild Side by Motley Crue played whenever you clicked it.
Agri
Patron
Tue Sep 30 01:03:14
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Sep 30 01:30:43
ttt
Atma01
Member
Tue Sep 30 04:29:41
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
ghost of repel
Member
Tue Sep 30 09:08:09
BANG!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 09:08:51
BANG!!
tumbleweed
Member
Tue Sep 30 10:59:48
BOINK!!!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:27:12
http://ata...oardthread?id=tank&thread=3773

Mckobb dead. Sowwy bro. :(
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 16:29:01
You're on my list!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:30:59
Nooo!!!!! I've waited ALL day for someone on the other team! He's inactive anyways! :P <3
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 16:31:40
Suffer not a teamkiller to live!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:32:13
AND he just resigned anyways!

McKobb
Nerd
Tue 30 Sep, 10:30pm

I've been no help. Just been super busy the last few weeks and seems like it's not gonna stop soon! So I'm gonna resign

NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:32:40
I shall kill no OTHER team members. !!!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:32:53
... maybe Keane..
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 16:35:47
I wouldn't be a very good spirit of vengeance if I let things like that stop me...
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:37:17
But... but... I killed him AFTER he resigned! If you were lookin at the forums.... :P

And WHY aren't you on aim?!?!?!
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 16:41:52
Because I'm setting up my sniper rifle!
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 16:42:37
Well! Get on aim and I'll make sure ya do it right! ;)
Kaylana
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 18:47:15
Tiakatt for mod
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 20:55:54
<3 McKobb

http://ata...thread=3776&time=1222825601147
NightBloom
Member
Tue Sep 30 20:59:33
Only cuz I LET you. :P For the team! GO NERDS!! :P
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 21:05:40
Keaaaane... come out... I smeelllll youuuu...
McKobb
Member
Tue Sep 30 22:56:09
*blinks*
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Sep 30 23:50:12
AUUUUGH, THE ASSASSINS INFO!
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 01 04:41:43
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Wed Oct 01 04:55:15
10) BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
McKobb
Member
Wed Oct 01 07:29:31
11) Malleus Maleficarum!
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 02 04:18:11
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Amos
Member
Thu Oct 02 19:44:36
Andy!
Damian DB
Moderator
Thu Oct 02 19:46:17
Decree 7) Though shall not have horses that are not in tubs of chocolate..
Celedhel JAC
Member
Fri Oct 03 01:12:31
What about ponies in tubs of nougat?
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 03 04:31:15
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Oct 03 06:27:06
Thar, I just deleted all of the posts that needed it! No need to delete anything else! No sir!
cardinal JAC
Member
Fri Oct 03 23:18:42
FSB is spamming, please delete all and perma-perma ban him

extra perma for extra spammmmzzzz
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sat Oct 04 00:39:50
He sounds pretty gay for me!
Agri
Patron
Sat Oct 04 02:59:25
ttt
NightBloom
Member
Sun Oct 05 22:35:22
t
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 07 03:33:02
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 07 06:18:06
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
cardinal JAC
Member
Wed Oct 08 02:00:47
penis
Agri
Patron
Wed Oct 08 02:08:54
ttt
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 08 02:36:46
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
cardinal JAC
Member
Wed Oct 08 03:19:58
i said penis, damnit!
cardinal JAC
Member
Wed Oct 08 03:26:38
Vagina?
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Oct 08 03:29:53
Cool.
cardinal JAC
Member
Wed Oct 08 03:29:56
sexist mods are sexist
Allonons
Member
Wed Oct 08 04:49:21
asstards
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 08 05:21:50
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 08 06:24:56
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Wed Oct 08 10:31:14
ttt
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 09 02:36:21
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 09 02:54:28
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Oct 09 03:11:05
ttt
Agri
Patron
Thu Oct 09 03:20:59
ttt
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 09 03:39:30
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Oct 09 03:41:20
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Oct 09 14:10:36
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Oct 09 18:55:38
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Oct 09 19:28:59
Delete this.
Ubes JAC
Member
Thu Oct 09 21:03:20
Kay, if this gets deleted, it means you love me. I know this because I know this.
Kaylana
Moderator
Thu Oct 09 21:47:04
Love you ubes
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Oct 10 03:44:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9sqgJNxaGk&feature=related
Agri
Patron
Fri Oct 10 03:56:16
ttt
pillz
Member
Fri Oct 10 09:54:56
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Fri Oct 10 17:52:40
:D
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 10 19:21:43
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 13 00:38:43
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 13 00:45:36
Double post in PS's "talon" thread
Agri
Patron
Mon Oct 13 01:09:33
ttt
Atma01
Member
Mon Oct 13 02:37:39
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Mon Oct 13 06:12:40
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Mon Oct 13 06:56:07
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Mon Oct 13 11:35:56
ttt
McKobb
Member
Mon Oct 13 12:16:12
ttt
Let The Boy Try
Member
Mon Oct 13 12:41:48
kkk
McKobb
Member
Mon Oct 13 13:46:05
sí!
Agri
Patron
Mon Oct 13 14:34:36
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Oct 14 01:00:14
ttt
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Oct 14 01:26:43
Sorry, only Atma is allowed to post useless stuff in the mod thread.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Oct 14 03:05:51
ttt
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 14 03:23:18
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Oct 14 05:37:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4
Agri
Patron
Tue Oct 14 10:26:26
ttt
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Oct 14 11:57:43
This thread is pretty crappy.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Oct 14 14:19:21
ttt
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 15 02:50:31
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Oct 15 04:36:31
AIM is for homos.


I mean mods.

The letters are similar, sorry.
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Wed Oct 15 04:39:51
FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID SLUT.

I mean hi.
Ubes JAC
Member
Wed Oct 15 04:44:16
I'M NOT STUPID
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 15 05:14:24
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 15 06:45:40
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 16 02:48:38
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Oct 16 05:07:33
ttt
McKobb
Member
Thu Oct 16 07:38:20
Rumple Minze
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 02:43:03
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 04:15:44
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 05:43:32
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 07:29:38
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
repel
Member
Fri Oct 17 13:31:17
no atma today?
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 19:23:25
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 17 19:24:24
MD seems to be the only one who bothers to delete my post in this thread anymore. Even DL gave up, thus confirming rule #8.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Fri Oct 17 22:24:50
And I've actually posted it about 3 times.
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Oct 17 22:30:08
Is this thread particularly necessary anymore? We're not exactly swimming in new people.
Agri
Patron
Sat Oct 18 01:13:57
ttt
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Oct 18 03:20:49
Or semen.
Agri
Patron
Sat Oct 18 03:26:09
wrong thread!
Atma01
Member
Sat Oct 18 06:24:20
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 07:58:16
You realize that I was nto the one deleting your post right? lol
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Oct 18 09:49:28
That was EXACTLY his point ;)

Geez, you're so inactive, you don't even know what's being said when you ARE here =P


Or you added an uneccessary "not" to your post. You do that sometimes ;)
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 16:49:28
If I don't hear any objections by tomorrow board time, I'll just go ahead and delete the thread. I hate stickies and these crap UGT games keep getting stickied. Since I can't delete them, at least I might be able to delete this.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Oct 18 16:55:55
I don't see a problem with deleting this...but can we archive them somewhere that is readily accessible to everyone here?
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 17:04:23
I don't see why not.
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Oct 18 17:10:57
Right on ^.^ Now where the hell do we shove it? LoL
TiaKatt DB
Member
Sat Oct 18 17:11:31
Uh, let me rephra...actually just pretend I didn't say that.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 17:11:59
I'll probably just take a screen shot and make a tinyurl or something.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Sat Oct 18 17:51:48
if we ever get a spammer or some shizz where will we tell the mods
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 18:48:43
If the mods are online, they ought to notice
Ubes JAC
Member
Sat Oct 18 20:37:23
Crap UGT games? oh like survivor. the one you quit. gg.
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 22:21:01
I fail to see the point in deleting this thread.

Who cares if people chat in here now and then?
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 22:33:40
Damned straight I quit.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sat Oct 18 22:34:09
I don't care if people chat in here DL but stickies are vile and I'm tired of keeping up with this one anyway. They can chat anywhere they like.
TheGrimReaper
Member
Sun Oct 19 01:32:36
Stickies are sticky.
Agri
Patron
Sun Oct 19 05:03:02
You can just unsticky this one but not delete it. It'll stay somewhere on the top of the boards anyway, don't worry :)
repel
Member
Sun Oct 19 07:12:29
I think Agri's solution is the best Kay. Just unsticky it. It will drop off or filled up one or the other way...
Agri
Patron
Sun Oct 19 10:27:38
ttt
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 14:04:22
I don't see what difference it makes if it's deleted today or drops off tomorrow.
repel
Member
Sun Oct 19 14:19:22
you well know kay how much we like to play over here in these forums...
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 14:20:39
Sorry repel, I'm not sure I understand the relevance of playing and the topic of deleting this thread.
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 19 19:03:27
Why delete the rules thread? After all the shit slinging that occurred after TMB/Mckobb, you'd expect this thread to be the most necessary thread in GT.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Oct 19 19:40:18
This thread should be kept.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 19:55:18
Why?
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 20:44:33
I think getting rid of the rules is a bad idea too, I'd rather sticky and close it then do that.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 20:56:35
No one said anything about getting rid of the rules, just the rules thread.

It's a very simple concept, really.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 20:58:54
Sometimes it's just a little too irritating dealing with people and their irrational attachments.
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:07:32
Having posted rules is... an irrational attachment!?

I... see!
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:13:25
I'm talking about your attachments to stickies.

They're ugly. Honestly of all the stickies here, this is the one that serves the most purpose.

So let me explain my position, as I have waited in vain for someone, anyone, to actually say "why" they would want this sticky.

1) I hate stickies.
2) Technically, this is my sticky, so it's the only one I'd have any authority in getting rid of.
3) Despite it actually serving a purpose, this is the only sticky that gets jacked with and spammed, and I'm fucking tired of cleaning it up all the time since no one else fucking does it, ever.
4) The two purposes it serves are really unnecessary at this point. Everyone who posts here regularly is clear on the rules, those that don't post regularly don't really matter, and we aren't swimming in new people so we don't really need the rules to be posted anyway. The second point is to draw moderator attention when moderator action is needed (spamming, trolling, etc) except that if the mods are online *anyway,* they're going to notice the bad behavior, so what's the point of having a thread to draw attention to what should already have drawn moderator attention?

5) If we put the rules up somewhere where people can still access them if it's necessary, as Katt suggested, then they're out of the way and not bugging the shit out of me by getting spammed every day.
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:15:51
If clearning them out bugs you so bad, I can start doing them... I still think they serve a purpose, and having 2-3 stickies doesnt bug me at all. Also most people dont really seeem to want to get rid of it. *shrug*
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:19:23
Three people equals most now?

It's still MY thread. Rules *I* wrote because no one else wanted the responsibility. And while I'm ranting I might as well add to it, I never am credited with contributing anything to UGT, and yet here's a shining example of one of the trillions of little things I do for you guys, and get shat on for it.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:20:50
Can't even unsticky my own damned creation without people bitching, like you guys need it so damned bad for anything other than "ttt" and "only so and so can spam here."
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:26:47
Well fuck it.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 19 21:29:20
The moderators are here to keep the forum community happy and comfortable. If at any time for any reason any of the rules or subsequent enforcement are disagreed upon, please discuss it with us and the rest of the forum. Changes will be made based only on general consensus.

The following can be subject to deletion:

1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature. Child nudity is not acceptable at all. (I realize parents like to take pictures of their naked infants. For the sake of internet predators, please keep them decent.)

2) Spam flooding.

3) Threats against the well-being or life of another member. Actions such as stalking, flaming, trolling, and harrassment will be judged on a person to person basis, but extremely obscene harrassment may be deleted before any further discussion is taken on it for the sake of keeping the peace.

4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator.

5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it.

6) Posts that the author requests to be deleted MAY be deleted. The moderators have the choice of not complying.

When posting an URL that is tasteless, obscene or inappropriate for the workspace please identify it with NWS (Not Workplace Safe) or NSFW (Not Safe For Work). This is a courtesy to our working members. THERE IS NO NEED TO GET THEM FIRED.

This is considered an adult forum, therefore adult language and adult discussion is ALLOWED and will almost CERTAINLY take place. It will be consistently assumed that minors are not privy to the content here.

----

In case of emergency, break glass.

This thread is for contacting moderators when they're needed for clean-up.

Current mods:
Mad Doggie, HH Daemon Lord, HH Evenflow, Kaylana, Damian
Agri
Patron
Mon Oct 20 00:06:31
ttt
Atma01
Member
Mon Oct 20 02:40:43
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Mad Doggie
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 06:03:06
wtfzor happened?
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 06:35:35
Ur fase.
Agri
Patron
Mon Oct 20 10:37:06
Kaylana screwed up!
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 15:38:46
The angry sharks are swimming angry circles.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 18:51:10
I didn't screw up, I needed to make an addition, since a few people here are so hell bent on having this here anyway
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 19:02:08
And only one person seems to be hell bent on having it deleted.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:07:43
I wasn't hell bent on having it deleted, if I was, it'd be gone already.

I just saw a lot more reason to get rid of it than to let it sit.

Really Ubes, you think if I was hell bent on anything that your opinion would really make a damned bit of difference?
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 19:12:45
Reasons to get rid of it: Kay doesn't like them

Reasons to let it sit: They're rules in an easy to access place. The most necessary part of the forum

"Really Ubes, you think if I was hell bent on anything that your opinion would really make a damned bit of difference?"

Not to you. Although, you think someone who thinks so highly of her self/position that you'd at least listen to some of the "common folk".

That last bit just brings out your arrogant uptight side that much more. Keep going though, I love when mods go ballistic with power.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:17:44
Reasons to get rid of it:

1) It doesn't serve a purpose since everyone who posts here already knows the rules, and if any moderator action is needed, the mods that are currently online are going to notice it.

2) Stickies are ugly and historically unpopular with the UGT masses (which is why we never had one at swirve), apparently that attitude changed at some point, probably when the crew I used to hang out with left.

3) I was the only one keeping up with it, and I got tired of deleting the same crap every day when I could just delete the thread and be done with it.

4) The rules wouldn't be inaccessible, they'd just be somewhere else.

---

I certainly don't think myself above you Ubes, but I'm not going to be trodded all over by you either.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:18:38
And if I've gone so ballistic, why do I allow for any of this, or even continue having this conversation with you?

Yeah I'm so ballistic, look at me deleting left and right.
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 19:20:31
Simple solution? Close it.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:23:04
Ah but that defeats one of the two purposes it serves, and the more useful purpose at that.

What difference does deleting it make?
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 19:24:48
If there's a problem, and the mods are around, it'll get taken care of. I can't see someone getting a response here faster than using an IM of some sort.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:27:17
I agree. Of course I would, since that's the very point I made in the first place.

And the other point, which you have ignored for reasons unknown to me, is that the entire UGT populous has been staring at these rules since we moved over here, and they seem to have a pretty good grasp on them.

What's the difference between having them at the top or simply link them somewhere else, which is just as good as a closed sticky thread, except it's not in your face all the time hogging up board room?
McKobb
Member
Mon Oct 20 19:36:24
I for one don't see the need to have a rules sticky. UGT didn't and we did ok!
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 19:38:14
Yeah but vague indifference isn't enough to unsticky it, funny that.
Ubes JAC
Member
Mon Oct 20 20:21:28
Ask TC to make a link for it. Same as old GT.
Kaylana
Moderator
Mon Oct 20 20:22:55
Might do that if I see him again.
Quiet Sound
Member
Tue Oct 21 01:28:03
This is the thread that never ends,
It goes on and on my friends,
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because,
This is the thread that never ends...
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Oct 21 02:58:13
I like the mod thread :(
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 03:29:54
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Tue Oct 21 03:35:40
And that's why.
HH Daemon Lord
Moderator
Tue Oct 21 03:37:46
Ur face grows from idleness!
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:07:03
Oh yeah? Well your mom is full of HERESY.
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:07:16
Fuck! >.<
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:07:19
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:08:06
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:09:31
Atma's a homo if he posts next.
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 05:10:26
Its doesn't matter. The people must know!

7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Tue Oct 21 07:27:14
10) If you post anything about computers, EP will somehow turn it into a Linux advocacy thread. EP has been using Linux a while, and now lives in the city where it was originally written... so... yeah.
McKobb
Member
Tue Oct 21 08:15:25
Hey EP, was that where Linus was Finnished?
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Tue Oct 21 09:40:18
yeah, Linux is from here... but lives in oregon now.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI
Member
Tue Oct 21 09:57:43
er... linuS is from here.

well, i suppose both are true. Linus made Linux in Helsinki.

clearly, he put a lot of thought into the name. if i ever invent something, i will name it EarthPix.
Ubes JAC
Member
Tue Oct 21 13:27:29
Ubex
Atma01
Member
Tue Oct 21 23:32:35
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Wed Oct 22 02:00:58
ttt
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 22 03:09:25
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb
Member
Wed Oct 22 09:49:09
zztop
Ghostbuster
Member
Wed Oct 22 10:56:06
This thread needs your attention.

http://ata...oardthread?id=tank&thread=5011
Kaylana
Moderator
Wed Oct 22 18:32:51
Ok
Agri
Patron
Wed Oct 22 18:40:30
ttt
Atma01
Member
Wed Oct 22 18:49:36
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 23 03:11:15
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Thu Oct 23 09:50:12
ttt
Atma01
Member
Thu Oct 23 22:35:16
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Fri Oct 24 00:08:10
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
LOL fag
Member
Fri Oct 24 01:56:36
^
Agri
Patron
Fri Oct 24 09:58:14
ttt
Kaylana
Moderator
Fri Oct 24 18:32:14
ttb
Agri
Patron
Sat Oct 25 03:33:20
ttt
Atma01
Member
Sat Oct 25 07:15:40
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sat Oct 25 23:18:56
Diligence earns salvation.

Better crippled in body than corrupt in mind.

Thought begets heresy; heresy begets retribution.

Love the Emperor,
For he is the salvation of Mankind.
Obey His words,
for He will lead you into the light of the future.
Heed His wisdom,
for He will protect you from evil.
Whisper His prayers with devotion,
for they will salve your soul.
Honour His servants,
for they speak in His voice.
Tremble before His majesty,
for we all walk in His immortal shadow.
Thou shalt attend to thy work at the appointed hour
Thou shalt seek no reward but the satisfaction of thy Master
Thou shalt know thy Duties
Thou shalt Obey thy Master in all matters
Thou shalt rejoice in thy Service
Thou shalt be grateful of thy Master's Favour
Thou shalt not make improper use of thy Master's comm-links, nor his las-lines, nor his opticon either
Thou shalt be glad of thy Master's punishment, for it is deserved, and it improves thee
Thou shalt not speak but Praise of thy Master
Thou shalt not look upon the words of the Heretic nor speak of them
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sat Oct 25 23:19:09
<3 @ FP
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 01:41:00
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 02:17:30
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri
Patron
Sun Oct 26 03:12:04
ttt
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 07:14:05
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS

Diligence earns salvation.

Better crippled in body than corrupt in mind.

Thought begets heresy; heresy begets retribution.

Love the Emperor,
For he is the salvation of Mankind.
Obey His words,
for He will lead you into the light of the future.
Heed His wisdom,
for He will protect you from evil.
Whisper His prayers with devotion,
for they will salve your soul.
Honour His servants,
for they speak in His voice.
Tremble before His majesty,
for we all walk in His immortal shadow.

Thou shalt attend to thy work at the appointed hour
Thou shalt seek no reward but the satisfaction of thy Master
Thou shalt know thy Duties
Thou shalt Obey thy Master in all matters
Thou shalt rejoice in thy Service
Thou shalt be grateful of thy Master's Favour
Thou shalt not make improper use of thy Master's comm-links, nor his las-lines, nor his opticon either
Thou shalt be glad of thy Master's punishment, for it is deserved, and it improves thee
Thou shalt not speak but Praise of thy Master
Thou shalt not look upon the words of the Heretic nor speak of them
Agri
Patron
Sun Oct 26 07:18:54
ttt
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 07:20:08
ttt
Agri
Patron
Sun Oct 26 07:33:30
ttt
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 07:59:35
My armor is contemt.
My shield is disgust.
My sword is hatred.
In the Emperor's name,
let none survive.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 15:53:12
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS

Diligence earns salvation.

Better crippled in body than corrupt in mind.

Thought begets heresy; heresy begets retribution.

Love the Emperor,
For he is the salvation of Mankind.
Obey His words,
for He will lead you into the light of the future.
Heed His wisdom,
for He will protect you from evil.
Whisper His prayers with devotion,
for they will salve your soul.
Honour His servants,
for they speak in His voice.
Tremble before His majesty,
for we all walk in His immortal shadow.

Thou shalt attend to thy work at the appointed hour
Thou shalt seek no reward but the satisfaction of thy Master
Thou shalt know thy Duties
Thou shalt Obey thy Master in all matters
Thou shalt rejoice in thy Service
Thou shalt be grateful of thy Master's Favour
Thou shalt not make improper use of thy Master's comm-links, nor his las-lines, nor his opticon either
Thou shalt be glad of thy Master's punishment, for it is deserved, and it improves thee
Thou shalt not speak but Praise of thy Master
Thou shalt not look upon the words of the Heretic nor speak of them
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 20:13:16
7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:02:40
Keep doing it Atma if you want this thread deleted and gone.
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:06:40
http://i44...ttleboy/wahmbulance-736464.jpg
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:20:11
For someone who was so adamant about keeping this thread, I'm surprised you want to push your luck.
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:29:24
http://robdamanii.com/macros/wahmbulance.jpg
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:39:13
Noted Kay.

7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread.

8) DL is inactive.

9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:40:20
Nananana... nananana... hey hey hey...
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:41:04
Gooooooooooodbye....
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:41:45
So I take it you want it gone then
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:41:49
Don't worry, Atma.

I love this thread, and it will stay sticked and up as long as I have Goderator powers.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:42:30
Fine PG, then you can keep up with it.
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:42:59
Lulz. The people must know of Rule 8. My hands are tied in this matter.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:44:20
What's there to keep up with? The extra stuff doesn't hurt anything.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:45:09
Then let it fill up. Don't want my name tagged to it though.
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:45:49
Cuz teh stickies are evil! They drag names through mud and people have been known NEVER to recover.
Kaylana
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:46:33
It's a personal irritation. It used to be shared among the GT masses, but the mighty have fallen.
HH Psycho Guy
Moderator
Sun Oct 26 22:47:30
Yeyz!

This is now MY baby!
Ubes JAC
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:47:35
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUMB
Atma01
Member
Sun Oct 26 22:49:55
I remember when UGT used to be about teh lulz. But now its just about teh oppresions. Viva la revolutionz!
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